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The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledged on Friday it had mixed together results from viral and antibody coronavirus tests on its website.

Eleven states also confirmed mixing viral and antibody test results.

The CDC says it's planning to separate those numbers in the coming weeks, but experts say the current method is unhelpful and potentially misleading.

That's because antibody tests aren't used to diagnose current infections or determine whether someone is potentially contagious. Instead, they indicate whether someone has been exposed to the virus in the past.

Combining numbers from antibody and viral tests pushes up the total number of tests conducted in the US. But antibody tests are often intended for the general public -- not just people with suspected infections -- so they can skew a key indicator of how the pandemic is progressing: the percentage of tests that come back positive.

The CDC's method makes it appear that the US has greater capacity to test than it really does, at least when it comes to identifying current infections.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-mixing-coronavirus-tests/index.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledged on Friday it had mixed together results from viral and antibody coronavirus tests on its website.

Eleven states also confirmed mixing viral and antibody test results.

The CDC says it's planning to separate those numbers in the coming weeks, but experts say the current method is unhelpful and potentially misleading.

That's because antibody tests aren't used to diagnose current infections or determine whether someone is potentially contagious. Instead, they indicate whether someone has been exposed to the virus in the past.

Combining numbers from antibody and viral tests pushes up the total number of tests conducted in the US. But antibody tests are often intended for the general public -- not just people with suspected infections -- so they can skew a key indicator of how the pandemic is progressing: the percentage of tests that come back positive.

The CDC's method makes it appear that the US has greater capacity to test than it really does, at least when it comes to identifying current infections.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-mixing-coronavirus-tests/index.html
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"It's not useful information, unless you have a political agenda that you're trying to back up. That's really the only reason to do that," said CNN medical analyst Dr. Celine Gounder, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the New York University School of Medicine.

"This is just one more example of why we're very concerned that science is being suppressed at the CDC and is taking a back seat to political priorities in this administration," she said.
 
In black and white: Poignant NYTimes front page is filled entirely with the names of 1,000 COVID-19 victims on Memorial weekend as the nation approaches 100,000 dead milestone
  • Sunday's New York Times cover features 1,000 names of people who have died from coronavirus
  • Page shared widely Saturday evening has the headline: 'U.S. deaths near 100,000, an incalculable loss'
  • 'They were not simply names on a list. They were us,' the page reads
  • Attached to each persons' name is their age and a few descriptors about their lives
  • Names continue to be listed inside, along with an essay from Times reporter Dan Barry
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SlyPokerDog said:
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledged on Friday it had mixed together results from viral and antibody coronavirus tests on its website.

Eleven states also confirmed mixing viral and antibody test results.

The CDC says it's planning to separate those numbers in the coming weeks, but experts say the current method is unhelpful and potentially misleading.

That's because antibody tests aren't used to diagnose current infections or determine whether someone is potentially contagious. Instead, they indicate whether someone has been exposed to the virus in the past.

Combining numbers from antibody and viral tests pushes up the total number of tests conducted in the US. But antibody tests are often intended for the general public -- not just people with suspected infections -- so they can skew a key indicator of how the pandemic is progressing: the percentage of tests that come back positive.

The CDC's method makes it appear that the US has greater capacity to test than it really does, at least when it comes to identifying current infections.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-mixing-coronavirus-tests/index.html
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Interesting.
 
Just checking in for the week. Surprised to some specific people posting some certified garbage. Expected better out of them. Kinda annoyed right now. Gonna go back to my chamber. Hope everyone's staying safe.
 
North Carolina Reports Highest One Day Spike Of COVID-19 Cases
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...ports-highest-one-day-spike-of-covid-19-cases


North Carolina' Department of Health and Human Services announced Saturday that it had recorded 1,107 new infections, the state's highest one-day spike since the outbreak began.

Gerry Broome/AP
North Carolina has reported its highest one-day spike in new COVID-19 cases, a development that comes a day after the state entered its second phase of re-opening.

In a statement Saturday, the state's Department of Health and Human Services reported 1,107 infections – around 250 more cases than the state's last highest daily tally.

"This is a notable and concerning increase," said the department's secretary, Mandy Cohen. "As we head into a holiday weekend, please practice the three Ws – wear a face covering, wait six feet apart, and wash your hands frequently. When it comes to our health, we need to work together to protect our families, friends and neighbors."

The spike in new cases underscores the challenge that states across the country are facing as they weigh when to ease restrictions designed to stem the spread of the coronavirus outbreak.

North Carolina had spent two weeks in phase one of its reopening before entering the second phase on Friday. Phase two lifted the state's stay-at-home order and allowed certain businesses to restart or expand operations in a limited capacity.

In announcing the easing of restrictions, authorities noted that although "overall key indicators remain stable," there remained "continued increases in daily case counts." A statement accompanying Gov. Roy Cooper's executive order, issued on Wednesday, said re-opening would be a more modest endeavor than initially envisioned.

"North Carolina is using the data to guide our decisions about when to lift COVID-19 restrictions, and overall our key indicators remain stable," Cooper, a Democrat, said. "Safer At Home Phase 2 is another careful step forward, and we have to continue taking this virus seriously to prevent a dangerous spike in infections."

The executive order allowed businesses such as restaurants, salons and barbers to be open at 50% capacity with social distancing and cleaning requirements in place. Bars, gyms, and movie theaters were to remained close.

The order also capped mass gatherings at 25 people for outdoor venues while indoor events were limited to 10.

The announcement came as many parts of the U.S. have
 
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0200524-adj5ws37bjckthjeh5abjv262y-story.html

What went wrong: As we mourn 100,000 taken from coronavirus, what lessons can be learned from missteps along the way

Today, four months and two days after the first reported case of what was then called the novel coronavirus in the state of Washington, Americans will die in Tennessee and Texas, in Arizona and Wisconsin, in Colorado and Kansas and, of course, in New York and New Jersey.

A grave milestone in a public health war, on a long weekend when we honor war dead: Since the first U.S. fatality from the virus, initially thought to have happened in late February but later revised to early that month, more than 100,000 souls will soon have perished across the country. That almost surely understates the true toll. The United States of America, with 4.25% of the world’s population, has suffered 28% of its deaths. Our great nation, which beats its chest and chants three proud letters when it wins Olympic medals, has been laid low.

They say defeat is an orphan but success has a thousand fathers, but there are many with responsibility for this carnage.

First, blame the Chinese government in Beijing, which, rather than successfully containing the outbreak in Wuhan, covered it up, deceiving the world in critical early days.

But America has had an especially fierce battle against COVID-19 because of weaknesses homegrown.

Blame President Trump, who, despite emphatic warnings in briefings throughout January and February, repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus. He imposed a ban on travel from China that he now says saved millions of lives, but that was like plugging a hole after a dam had already broken.

For deaths in New York that comprise 24% of the nation’s, blame Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio, who, at least a week and probably more past when they should have taken strong action, underestimated the virus’ potential to spread and to kill.

There are no time machines yet, which means there will be no time machines ever, but in hindsight it is clear that the pathogen was circulating in this city and state earlier than we knew; it is deadlier and more contagious than we thought; and we should have clamped down earlier than we did. As of the second week in March, this Editorial Board was unconvinced the schools needed to close. We were wrong, but it isn’t lost on us that we don’t have in-house epidemiologists.

Too many more things went wrong to catalog, including glaring federal failures to test and to produce personal protective equipment.
 
ABM said:
Well, none of those wars lasted less than a year, so there's that.
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NEWSFLASH: This "war" ain't gonna last less than a year, either, Ace... so, as usual, I'm not sure what your point is.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
NEWSFLASH: This "war" ain't gonna last less than a year, either, Ace... so, as usual, I'm not sure what your point is.
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We shall see.

OK, as an example, when you divide the total deaths in WWII by the 4+ years, you get your 297 deaths per day. I don't that's a pertinent metric.

Interesting, nonetheless, all the mini-spikes..

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GoBlazersGo said:
NEWSFLASH: This "war" ain't gonna last less than a year, either, Ace... so, as usual, I'm not sure what your point is.
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man, what is up with these trump spinners. Is there nothing they won't defend him for. I truly believe we have some in here that could watch trump shoot someone in cold blood and spin it as self defense. This is the trump era
 
CupWizier said:
man, what is up with these trump spinners. Is there nothing they won't defend him for. I truly believe we have some in here that could watch trump shoot someone in cold blood and spin it as self defense. This is the trump era
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Embrace it, pilgrim!
 
ABM said:
Embrace it, pilgrim!
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Sounds like something Typhoid Mary would say about her blanket.....while you're watering down death totals....check the numbers of native Hawaiians per population killed by disease brought by missionaries and sailors ….almost completely wiped out their gene pool....or in the case of Ishi in N Cal....completely wiped out his entire tribe...the genocide of Native Americans carried with it horrible death totals...some from starvation for wiping out the buffalo....embrace history pilgrim...pilgrims brought disease to the new world...it's what wiped out the entire Aztec nation...Cortez' revenge...the pox...syhillis….all imported from our white ancestors
 
CupWizier said:
man, what is up with these trump spinners. Is there nothing they won't defend him for. I truly believe we have some in here that could watch trump shoot someone in cold blood and spin it as self defense. This is the trump era
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They seldom deal with actual facts either because when they are confronted with facts, it confuses them and ultimately pisses them off.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
In black and white: Poignant NYTimes front page is filled entirely with the names of 1,000 COVID-19 victims on Memorial weekend as the nation approaches 100,000 dead milestone
  • Sunday's New York Times cover features 1,000 names of people who have died from coronavirus
  • Page shared widely Saturday evening has the headline: 'U.S. deaths near 100,000, an incalculable loss'
  • 'They were not simply names on a list. They were us,' the page reads
  • Attached to each persons' name is their age and a few descriptors about their lives
  • Names continue to be listed inside, along with an essay from Times reporter Dan Barry
28756766-0-image-a-8_1590292031111.jpg
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ABM said:
We shall see.

OK, as an example, when you divide the total deaths in WWII by the 4+ years, you get your 297 deaths per day. I don't that's a pertinent metric.

Interesting, nonetheless, all the mini-spikes..

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those really aren't spikes as much they are reflections of the low reporting numbers on weekends. All of those massive dips in daily totals coincide with weekends. People are still getting weekends off, and that includes the people compiling and submitting data

maybe the best way to get a handle on the pandemic is to look at rolling one week averages. For instance, this website tracks several data trends in an interactive format. Here is the graph of deaths/1-week-average in the US:

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http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

couple of things to keep in mind. While that arc is heading downward (too slowly), it's skewed because of the downward trend in NY state vs the rest of the US. If NY is removed from that trendline, the arc is pointed up

another thing is that obviously a nation of 330 million is going to have more deaths that nations of 50-80 million. So, it's more apples to apples to look at deaths/million:

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that makes the arc a little more comforting, but again, it needs to be a with/without New York (and New Jersey) trend-line comparison. And while the arc is headed down, we are still one of the worst nations on earth in terms of deaths, normalized by population.

of course, when gauging by deaths, it's important to keep in mind that death numbers tend to be a snapshot of what was happening 3-4 weeks ago, just like new case numbers are a snapshot of what was happening 2-3 weeks ago. There are lots of predictions of spikes in new cases and deaths 2-4 weeks from now because of eased restrictions. I'm not sure there will be significant spikes because I think a majority of people will still restrict behavior. But I wouldn't be surprised if those trend-lines arrest their downward trajectory and plateau for a couple of months
 
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