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If you don't listen to what the problems are you can't help find a solution.

No, what I'm saying is it's not always "problems" that plague people who have suicidal thoughts, or the lack of having someone to listen to. Not saying that won't help people, but it's not as a simple as "I'm listening to you".
 
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Didn't get tested at the hospital...which to me is really dumb for a cardiology wing of a hospital this day and age....did pass the temp check and actually, the whole trip seems now like it was a waste of time..the first responders there said they don't even get tested and don't understand why...I feel sorry for them...instead of putting up two giant billboards declaring them heroes, I think they'd all rather have tests daily when they show up for work....as it is, they don't
First responders don't get tested at the VA although they do have to pass a screening. Early morning screenings are a little more liberal than the ones a little later in the day. In fact, about half the mornings when I go to the hospital there is no screener at the entrance I arrive at. They usually don't show up until 7 AM. By that time I'm hooked up and getting treated. I do get screened when I arrive at the dialysis unit on the seventh floor. If memory serves me, Sly has been there or maybe it was when I was admitted for an overnight stay for one of my several medical problems. Just can't remember.
 
I think that's a Patrick Ewing quote...thing is, everyone who gets this got it by thinking, hey, I'm good......relax...you guys are just overreacting, this will go away...nurse at the hospital today didn't seem to think so when I went in..she said people are being stupid about not wearing the masks......I'll take her word for it ...stay safe

Don't think for a second that I'm not keeping safe distances, nor practicing good hygiene...because I am.
 
"At Surgo Foundation, we’ve analyzed county-level mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to paint a more granular picture, highlighting disparities in death reporting that were previously unavailable. Now, for the first time since the pandemic began, we’re able to study excess death counts at the county level in the United States.

And what we’ve learned is disconcerting. Our data suggest that we may be especially undercounting COVID-19 deaths in Southern parts of the US. In more than 200 of the counties we examined
, excess death rates were between two times to 30 times higher than reported COVID-19 death rates."
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"Across the 366 counties we examined, there were on average 51 more deaths per 100,000 people than the average for the same period in 2014–2018. If this rate held against the entire US population of 328 million, this would amount to over 167,000 excess deaths this year to date"
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"counties with more COVID-attributed deaths also had a greater number of overall excess deaths — that is, deaths above the average number for the same period in 2014–2018.
We expect to see this: it’s not surprising that much of the excess death rate in 2020 is attributed to COVID-19. But COVID-related deaths don’t account for all the excess mortality. On average, excess death rates are 30% higher than reported COVID-19 death rates.

In some counties, this number is far higher. In Lee County, Mississippi, for example, the COVID-19 death rate is 31 per 100,000 people, but the excess death rate is 398 per 100,000 — about 13 times higher.
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"Testing has ramped up in areas hardest hit by coronavirus, so the COVID-19 death rate may be higher in these states simply because their outbreaks are worse and there are, in fact, more deaths per head among the population.

But another possible explanation is that states with lower testing rates are not catching, and therefore not counting, COVID-related deaths, which could make their reported death rates lower than in high-testing states — and lower than they are in reality.

The takeaway: In the absence of adequate testing, county-level excess death rates reveal a more accurate picture of the toll of COVID-19
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I think this is relevant in light of the reports that trump and his sycophants are planning on pushing the narrative that Covid deaths have been exaggerated. As with most things with trump, what he says is opposite of what the reality is. Most people with expertise in epidemiology and public health agree we are under-reporting, by significant levels, the actual Covid mortality totals. Excess death numbers certainly support those views

I think this also goes a long way toward explaining why trump is so busy trying to dismiss the importance of testing and standing in the way of the Fed helping with testing capacity. If the actual Covid death toll was 150,000-200,000 right now, his numerous failures of leadership during this crisis would be even more magnified.
 
So who here is okay that trump is golfing during this pandemic that is not controlled at all?
 
Agreed. Just as Governor Cuomo can’t escape culpability for sending infected seniors back to nursing homes. 43% of all New York Deaths were from Senior Citizens.

Coumo is heads and tails much better than trump. I think all the Govenors as well as Biden have a higher approval rating than trump on handling covid 19. I think moscow mitch is close to as low as trump. Your boy is struggling maggie
 
Coumo is heads and tails much better than trump. I think all the Govenors as well as Biden have a higher approval rating than trump on handling covid 19. I think moscow mitch is close to as low as trump. Your boy is struggling maggie


Trump fucked everything up in the first place. He got us to where we are, no doubt about it. But there are in fact multiple people that have to take responsibility for this.

This is a totalitary effort of governmental fuckups from the top down. Trump started this 3 years ago disbanding the pandemic squad. So he will always be the cheif source of blame (and theres no argument to the contrary. Whether china fudged numbers doesnt absolve the fact that Trump still KNEW the virus was coming). But some of the governers have fucked this up as well, in different ways. It does start at the top, though.
 
Perfect. Just like his phone call to Ukraine asking for dirt on Joe Biden.

I would've, too. BTW, anyone seen Hunter lately? That's what I thought.
 
Trump fucked everything up in the first place. He got us to where we are, no doubt about it. But there are in fact multiple people that have to take responsibility for this.

This is a totalitary effort of governmental fuckups from the top down. Trump started this 3 years ago disbanding the pandemic squad. So he will always be the cheif source of blame (and theres no argument to the contrary. Whether china fudged numbers doesnt absolve the fact that Trump still KNEW the virus was coming). But some of the governers have fucked this up as well, in different ways. It does start at the top, though.

Well. said....very well said.
 
Coumo is heads and tails much better than trump. I think all the Govenors as well as Biden have a higher approval rating than trump on handling covid 19. I think moscow mitch is close to as low as trump. Your boy is struggling maggie

Considering NY's downward trend, seems to me they are one of the very few states taking the correct approach on covid-19.
 

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