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jonnyboy said:
If you can’t fathom the irony between Covid lockdowns and nationwide public gatherings being pushed by the same people
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Scientists, medical professionals, and national and local health professionals have been telling people to isolate and wear masks. Hardly the same demographic that is protesting.
 
Propagandist said:
I was feigning offense! Haha.
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...ahh, OK...I pretty thought that, but wasn't sure.

I suppose what I was getting at is that especially because of social media, nowadays people seem to take what others may say a little too literally and judge them purely on what they type on a keyboard instead of considering their actual actions/deeds. But the problem is that not everyone is able to articulate what they really mean to say and are sometimes prejudged/misjudged by others.

Unfortunately, that's the cyber-world we now live live in.
 
Propagandist said:
This is going to come of condescending, but this outlook is like the plot of some shitty comic book or something. There doesn't always have to be an arch-villain, although wow does Trump fit the role to a T. Not all people are puppets, blindly led into stupid situations for the benefit of some dark force. Quite to the contrary, in fact.

The harsh reality is people have had enough and they are so enraged that they are putting their health to the side to protest. You better bet cases of covid will spike, and it won't be make-believe cases, but social movements come when social movements come; they can't always be convenient for everyone. These are calculated risks.

And the media. Haha. Wtf. It's the news, dude, not some sci-fi mind control ray. When in doubt, look for more sources. People just aren't as stupid as you think. This aversions to masks or anger at expert opinions is to me infinitely more disgraceful than anything the media does.
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Well when you make it sound completely over the top then yes, it does sound like a comic book. I didn’t exactly say any of that crazy hyperbolic shit though, you did on my behalf. The mainstream media sucks IMO, and they have an agenda that isn’t about reporting honestly, it’s about adding or omitting information at the behest of their paid sponsors, who are usually large financial institutions, lobby groups and government or military contractors. That’s why you get such conflicting information from them, because I guess conflict is the goal? I’ve looked for more sources and that’s what I’ve found. A lot of the news I get is from left-leaning alternative media sources like The Hill or Jimmy Dore.
 
It's a pretty shitty situation that we have to choose between protecting the vulnerable because of their health/age/immune or those vulnerable because of systematic failure and racism. There is no irony in supporting trying to protect both - and understanding that they might interfere with each other. If only the virus or the racists could coordinate...

Talk about blaming the wrong thing...
 
andalusian said:
It's a pretty shitty situation that we have to choose between protecting the vulnerable because of their health/age/immune or those vulnerable because of systematic failure and racism. There is no irony in supporting trying to protect both - and understanding that they might interfere with each other. If only the virus or the racists could coordinate...

Talk about blaming the wrong thing...
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That's a great way to sum up the situation we now find ourselves in.
 
"Coronavirus restrictions such as stay-at-home orders prevented about 4.8 million confirmed infections (and about 60 million total infections) in the U.S., according to a study published Monday in the scientific journal Nature.


In their study, researchers at the University of California at Berkeley examined the effects of 1,717 local, regional and national policies on the growth rate of infections in six countries: China, France, Iran, Italy, South Korea and the U.S. They found that the combined effect of these policies reduced the infection rate by “a substantial and statistically significant amount.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2404-8_reference.pdf

trump is doing backflips trying to claim credit for policies, none of which he implemented, that was governors and mayors after trump and the feds stood on the sidelines trying to minimize the pandemic while bitching about closing the economy. The only substantive actions the feds took was to steal PPE from states and hospitals

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"The Brazilian government has been accused of “masking” the deadly impact of the pandemic after the health ministry removed months of data from a website that had been tracking COVID-19.


The ministry also stopped giving a total count of confirmed cases, which have shot past 685,000 – more than anywhere outside the United States – or a total death toll, which passed Italy this week, and was nearing 38,000 on Sunday.

Diego Iraheta, the Editor-in-Chief of HuffPost Brazil, wrote in an editorial that the move was “yet another attack on the free press” in the country.


“The Bolsonaro government is trying to mask the dramatic reality of the pandemic in Brazil. It acts with intent to restrict access to public information about public health, which should be easily available to the press to report the (increasing) size of the problem,” Iraheta wrote.


Bolsonaro has long played down the dangers of the pandemic, replaced medical experts in the health ministry with military officials and argued against state lockdowns to fight the virus, hobbling the country’s public health response."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covi..._5eda5258c5b681766164927f#update06082020-0740

predictable outcome of electing an idiot, science-denying, right-wing, wanna-be strong man. Bolsonaro following the trump game plan to a T
 
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There's an article in the NYT this morning where an epidemiologist gives a "back of the envelope" estimate that there are approximately 3,000 new covid-19 infections each night associated with the protests and riots in the US these past 10 days. We should start seeing the cases showing up in the stats in a week or so.
 
e_blazer said:
There's an article in the NYT this morning where an epidemiologist gives a "back of the envelope" estimate that there are approximately 3,000 new covid-19 infections each night associated with the protests and riots in the US these past 10 days. We should start seeing the cases showing up in the stats in a week or so.
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it's possibly going to be a two-fer-one scenario. The start of the protests coincide with economic re-opening in terms of timing. Bad stacked upon bad when if comes to the virus

I'm keeping my eye on this chart:

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http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

we started re-opening toward the end of May and that's the low point of that arc. It's been headed up for about 9-10 days now. Testing has increased just a little so the new case spike isn't about increased testing.

the good news, IMO, is the rate of new hospitalizations in Oregon:

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now, hospitalizations will lag 3-5 weeks behind real events so we'll need to see what this looks like at the end of June
 
e_blazer said:
There's an article in the NYT this morning where an epidemiologist gives a "back of the envelope" estimate that there are approximately 3,000 new covid-19 infections each night associated with the protests and riots in the US these past 10 days. We should start seeing the cases showing up in the stats in a week or so.
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???...any idea what he bases these "estimates" on?
 
yankeesince59 said:
???...any idea what he bases these "estimates" on?
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The article doesn’t provide any specifics:

“In what he called a back-of-the-envelope estimate, Trevor Bedford, an expert on the virus at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, wrote on Twitter that each day of protests would result in about 3,000 new infections. Over several weeks, as each infected person infected just under one other person on average — the current U.S. transmission rate — those infections would in turn lead to 15,000 to 50,000 more, and 50 to 500 eventual deaths. Given the racial disparities so far in the pandemic, he noted, those deaths will be disproportionately among black people. “Societal benefit of continued protests must be weighed against substantial potential impacts to health,” he wrote.

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard, agreed that those projections were reasonable, and said in an email that Dr. Bedford had done “a service” by making an approximate estimate with explicit assumptions.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/...te=1&user_id=6ea5e1279d6e474cb67d516d359a8e8c
 
e_blazer said:
The article doesn’t provide any specifics:

“In what he called a back-of-the-envelope estimate, Trevor Bedford, an expert on the virus at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, wrote on Twitter that each day of protests would result in about 3,000 new infections. Over several weeks, as each infected person infected just under one other person on average — the current U.S. transmission rate — those infections would in turn lead to 15,000 to 50,000 more, and 50 to 500 eventual deaths. Given the racial disparities so far in the pandemic, he noted, those deaths will be disproportionately among black people. “Societal benefit of continued protests must be weighed against substantial potential impacts to health,” he wrote.

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard, agreed that those projections were reasonable, and said in an email that Dr. Bedford had done “a service” by making an approximate estimate with explicit assumptions.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/...te=1&user_id=6ea5e1279d6e474cb67d516d359a8e8c
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I have no proplem with peoples rights to peacefully protest, but I'm just not sure if now is the best time to be doing it as we are still in the middle of a very dangerous pandemic and stuff like this can possibly set us all the way back and continually put more people at risk. All it takes is one protester to contract it and take it back to their community and then bam, it's everywhere.
 
e_blazer said:
The article doesn’t provide any specifics:

“In what he called a back-of-the-envelope estimate, Trevor Bedford, an expert on the virus at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, wrote on Twitter that each day of protests would result in about 3,000 new infections. Over several weeks, as each infected person infected just under one other person on average — the current U.S. transmission rate — those infections would in turn lead to 15,000 to 50,000 more, and 50 to 500 eventual deaths. Given the racial disparities so far in the pandemic, he noted, those deaths will be disproportionately among black people. “Societal benefit of continued protests must be weighed against substantial potential impacts to health,” he wrote.

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard, agreed that those projections were reasonable, and said in an email that Dr. Bedford had done “a service” by making an approximate estimate with explicit assumptions.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/...te=1&user_id=6ea5e1279d6e474cb67d516d359a8e8c
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What I meant to ask was how either of those " experts" differentiate between the people who recently went back to work, versus the people who recently were marching? If infected, how would they know if people became infected through returning to work or if they were infected by marching?
 
yankeesince59 said:
What I meant to ask was how either of those " experts" differentiate between the people who recently went back to work, versus the people who recently were marching? If infected, how would they know if people became infected through returning to work or if they were infected by marching?
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Like I said, the article doesn't give any real insight as to how he made his guesstimate, but my assumption would be that he's using data on number of estimated current infections per capita, estimates of number of people at the protests, transmission rates when in proximity out of doors, etc. I don't think anyone expects that people showing up at the hospital in a week or two will have a tag around them saying, "infected at demonstration", but I do think that it's inevitable that there will be a dramatic uptick in cases because of the protests. You couldn't write a much worse script from an epidemiology standpoint. Lots of people gathering in close proximity, many not wearing face masks or unable to keep them on throughout the demonstration, the increased spread of virus due to yelling and/or coughing due to tear gas and smoke, people arrested and sent to jails on crowded buses, etc. The virus doesn't give a crap about how important or justified your intentions were for being at the protests.
 
andalusian said:
Pending on election results, good chance it would be a great year. As long as that idiot is not in power, very likely, yes.
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trump is such an idiot as he acts like the USA is creating new jobs where as this is just some people returning to work that already had jobs. The real numbers will be in the fall as there will be many businesses that won't be reopening
 
SERIOUSLY, THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO TAKE OUR FUCKING TEMPERATURE, LET ALONE TELL US TO BE IN LOCKDOWN

 
lol...one more time "we're still learning more and more bout this virus everyday day" .
 
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