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Warning, this is unconfirmed rumors.

There are questions about the true source of the Wuhan virus. It starts with the very first case early in Dec. They can not connect this first known case, as well as over a dozen early cases, to the wet animal market.

Combine this info with the report of a govt. research lab in Wuhan that studies these types of virus. There is a growing suspicion that the virus "may" have escaped the research facility.

We may never know the complete truth.
Read my post from yesterday in this thread. I posted an article from The Scientist Magazine from November 2015 that outlined scientists concerns with the lab-created coronavirus and it’s ability to spread. There are also patents for a coronavirus vaccine that go back as far as 2007. You can look all this up, Or I can dig it up if you’d like. This virus did not originate from bats, they were just the first carriers of a man-made virus it sounds like.
 
Think of all the shipping boxes from Amazon and others that come from China not to mention other products.

Who will think of the shipping boxes?

Poor things. They've suffered so much, and for what?

barfo
 
Read my post from yesterday in this thread. I posted an article from The Scientist Magazine from November 2015 that outlined scientists concerns with the lab-created coronavirus and it’s ability to spread. There are also patents for a coronavirus vaccine that go back as far as 2007. You can look all this up, Or I can dig it up if you’d like. This virus did not originate from bats, they were just the first carriers of a man-made virus it sounds like.

It doesn't sound like that except in your posts.

The fact that someone can create a coronavirus in a lab does not mean that this one originated in a lab.

barfo
 
I have been interested in taking an extended cruise vacation. The cruising industry is a mess right now. Not only because of this virus, but also because of tensions with Iran. Popular cruise destinations such as Dubai are near empty.

Cruise lines are darn near giving away quality vacations to get customers. Some fares now start at $26 per day, with many under $40. This includes all meals, lodging and entertainment.

My boss is going on a 3 month cruise. Starts in Australia, goes through asia (including China and Hong Kong) and through the Strait of Hormuz through Oman.
 
My boss is going on a 3 month cruise. Starts in Australia, goes through asia (including China and Hong Kong) and through the Strait of Hormuz through Oman.

Lots of great cruises start in Australia.

Found a 15 day cruise starts in Chile, Peru, through Panama canal, Costa Rica, departure in Florida. Price has dropped to $23 per day per person, with free open bar, wifi, and upgraded dinner specialty package.

What's the catch? One engine down, only one good engine left to make it back to Florida. Skipping most ports due to slower speed.
 
Lots of great cruises start in Australia.

Found a 15 day cruise starts in Chile, Peru, through Panama canal, Costa Rica, departure in Florida. Price has dropped to $23 per day per person, with free open bar, wifi, and upgraded dinner specialty package.

What's the catch? One engine down, only one good engine left to make it back to Florida. Skipping most ports due to slower speed.

Lol they are paying 50k each
 
213 deaths todate

9400+ confirmed cases, and rising fast

India and Philippines report first confirmed cases. India does not have the infrastructure to properly deal with this virus.

Mortality rate appears to be about 2% of confirmed cases.
 
I've invested big in face masks.
They've got a ton of them at the VA hospital. They're located in several prominent locations throughout the hospital free for the taking.
 
258 deaths, all in China. So far.
11,000+ confirmed cases in 26 countries, with first confirmed cases in Sweden, Russia & UK

Want more good news?
Very large/huuuge swarms of desert locust devastating crops in Africa.
 
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258 deaths, all in China. So far.
11,000+ confirmed cases in 26 countries, with first confirmed cases in Sweden, Russia & UK

Want more good news?
Very large/huuuge swarms of desert locust devastating crops in Africa.
 
It's a very rapidly mutating virus. Something that we have no treatments for and very little experience in treating.

According to the googles, there are 19,300 hospital beds in Houston. Houston has a population of 2.3 million. So lets say only the old or unhealthy get sick. Let's say only that's only 1% of the population. That is 23,000 hospital beds needed. And that doesn't even take into account anyone else needing a hospitalization. It could be managed. Now if 2 out of every 100 people get sick... anarchy.

And we're not even talking about the resulting panic that would set in. Food and gas hoarding.

With the flu people can be treated at home. With the Coronavirus people require isolated hospitalization.

I was talking with a friend who is a nurse in Texas at a very large hospital. A little update on the information I posted above.

Right now, in the USA, per the CDC, the screening process for the coronavirus is as follows: If a person shows up with flu like symptoms and has recently been to China or around someone who has been to China that person is put in isolation. An isolation suite is air contained. Most hospitals have only a few of such rooms and a limited ability to convert other areas in the hospital into similar rooms.

This is working with no problems for now.

But... if the coronavirus enters the general population, meaning exposure from people who have no direct connection to China, that is when serious problems begin.

It means the screening process is unworkable. We have no way to isolate all people presenting flu like symptoms and to wait until tests come back to see if they have the flu or coronavirus.

There is a very good chance this won't happen. That the virus in this country won't cross from people who have recently visited from China into the general population but there are things that everyone can do to help.

1. Get a flu shot. Reduce the possibility of you and your family of getting the flu.

2. Wash your hands. Often. Use hand sanitizer. Often.

3. Eat well, gets lots of rest, be healthy.
 
Here are a few things that I am concerned and worried about.

This virus is not under control and contained, let alone shrinking in numbers.

The numbers of infected continues to increase everyday by about 20% over the previous day.

The countries with confirmed cases is increasing.

While our govt is doing everything it can to stop the virus from spreading. And all of the infected have been very cooperative, as far as we know. It only takes one irresponsible infected person to release this virus into the public.

Here is a horrible thought. What if one of our enemys decides this is an easy opportunity to damage our country. They send in an infected person, or 20, to spread the virus into the public as much as possible.

These are the reasons I am preparing now in case the virus does get out of control here. We take so much for granted. Sure the govt will do everything it can to keep us supplied. But our quality of life will be better if we prepare now for ourselves, rather than depending on others later.
 
I don't see the cause for concern. Those that survive the pandemic will be the basis for a stronger gene pool going forward.

We will repopulate.

barfo
 
Fear the flu, not so much the Coronavirus.

From what I've read, the mortality rate from the Coronavirus is around 2%...considerably less than influenza.
 
Fear the flu, not so much the Coronavirus.

From what I've read, the mortality rate from the Coronavirus is around 2%...considerably less than influenza.

Double check the flu mortality rate

Coronavirus 2.0%
Influenza 0.13%
Coronavirus is about 20 times more deadly than the flu.

But numbers from China are very unreliable, so the coronavirus mortality rate may change. There are many untested sick people in China, and many have died without being tested.
 
Double check the flu mortality rate

Coronavirus 2.0%
Influenza 0.13%
Coronavirus is about 20 times more deadly than the flu.

But numbers from China are very unreliable, so the coronavirus mortality rate may change. There are many untested sick people in China, and many have died without being tested.

The numbers change from country to country with respect the flu/pneumonia mortality rate and this should be viewed as a global problem. And you also have to consider the people who die from pneumonia as a result of the flu.
I would also think the overall health of the populace in China (especially the older folks) as well as health care is nowhere as good as it is in the US.
 
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More people in China have been treated and released with the kung flu than have died from it.
 
I was talking with a friend who is a nurse in Texas at a very large hospital. A little update on the information I posted above.

Right now, in the USA, per the CDC, the screening process for the coronavirus is as follows: If a person shows up with flu like symptoms and has recently been to China or around someone who has been to China that person is put in isolation. An isolation suite is air contained. Most hospitals have only a few of such rooms and a limited ability to convert other areas in the hospital into similar rooms.

This is working with no problems for now.

But... if the coronavirus enters the general population, meaning exposure from people who have no direct connection to China, that is when serious problems begin.

It means the screening process is unworkable. We have no way to isolate all people presenting flu like symptoms and to wait until tests come back to see if they have the flu or coronavirus.

There is a very good chance this won't happen. That the virus in this country won't cross from people who have recently visited from China into the general population but there are things that everyone can do to help.

1. Get a flu shot. Reduce the possibility of you and your family of getting the flu.

2. Wash your hands. Often. Use hand sanitizer. Often.

3. Eat well, gets lots of rest, be healthy.
Drink plenty of fluids such as beer.

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It will go away in April.
 
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More people in China have been treated and released with the kung flu than have died from it.
Do you mean that if I get the Coronavirus then I still have a 51% chance of survival? That's comforting.
 
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