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It's a pretty serious situation. My in-laws are in a more remote part of China with less than 10 cases of Coronavirus so far. My wife and I discussed having her parents come stay with us, but her parents don't even want to travel domestically in China to get to the States.

I have a former colleague whose wife and 2 kids are trapped in Wuhan currently and no travel allowed. He has been advocating to get his family on the chartered flight from the US State Department, but no luck so far (pretty sure it took off today already). https://www.fox21news.com/top-stori...y56ZUOgNMf_7O73hA5gf2zw58GRX0Qfwgg3ONhcObfWyE

If anyone has any pull/influence or just wants to share their story, please do.
I have friends who were basically asked to stay in their villages until it is safer to travel. They are in several parts of Hebei Province. They tell me the situation with the virus is worsening.
 
So because I'm a big dumbass, am I right in thinking the virus itself isn't really that big of a deal. It's the underlying health of the individual and the lack of care that makes this so serious?
 
So because I'm a big dumbass, am I right in thinking the virus itself isn't really that big of a deal. It's the underlying health of the individual and the lack of care that makes this so serious?

Lack of good info, especially from the China gov, makes it impossible to know how big a deal this virus is.

What is known is.
There are 49,000 hospital beds in Wuhan. All were full weeks ago. Unknown thousands turned away without treatment, or, being tested for the virus. Many have died and buried without being tested for the virus.

Here is one "guess" at how big a deal this virus is, using known numbers. This virus maybe 20 to 30 times more likely to require hospitalization, then our flu virus.

Mortality rates increase based on health issues, and age by about the same 20 to 30 times the flu.
 
So because I'm a big dumbass, am I right in thinking the virus itself isn't really that big of a deal. It's the underlying health of the individual and the lack of care that makes this so serious?

It's a very rapidly mutating virus. Something that we have no treatments for and very little experience in treating.

According to the googles, there are 19,300 hospital beds in Houston. Houston has a population of 2.3 million. So lets say only the old or unhealthy get sick. Let's say only that's only 1% of the population. That is 23,000 hospital beds needed. And that doesn't even take into account anyone else needing a hospitalization. It could be managed. Now if 2 out of every 100 people get sick... anarchy.

And we're not even talking about the resulting panic that would set in. Food and gas hoarding.

With the flu people can be treated at home. With the Coronavirus some people require isolated hospitalization.
 
Death toll now at 170, up from 126 same time yesterday.

While this virus is spreading much faster than the sars virus. Mortality rates appear to be much lower than sars.
 
There will be a vaccine for it in a few months.

Unless it continues to mutate. Similar to the flu vaccine, we can prevent the current variants but once it mutates further the vaccine can be considerably less effective.
 
'Are you CRAZY?' Italian mayor rushes to quarantine cruise liner with 7,000 on board and stops crew from letting 1,140 people off the ship where two Chinese passengers are being tested for coronavirus
  • Cruise ship Costa Smeralda has been quarantined in port city of Civitavecchia, near Rome, after woman fell ill
  • Chinese woman, 54, has been put in isolation alongside her husband and both of them tested for coronavirus
  • Ship has been placed on lockdown until results come back, with 6,000 passengers and 1,000 crew on board
  • Port's captain tried to let 1,000 people go on Thursday afternoon, but was slapped down by the city mayor
  • Carnival, the company which owns Costa Crociere, saw its stock price fall 11 per cent as fears spread
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...taly-two-people-board-tested-coronavirus.html
 
Like many of you, I have many questions, but few solid answers. So if anything I post is not accurate, please please update with best info avalable.

One Doctor reports on why the Wuhan virus is contagious even before victims become sick.

He believes the virus incubates in the lower lungs. At this time, a person has the virus, but does not feel sick. A person can spread the virus before showing physical signs of bring sick by coughing.

The virus then spreads to the upper lungs and sinus cavities, which is the timeline when a patient feels sick.
 
'Are you CRAZY?' Italian mayor rushes to quarantine cruise liner with 7,000 on board and stops crew from letting 1,140 people off the ship where two Chinese passengers are being tested for coronavirus
  • Cruise ship Costa Smeralda has been quarantined in port city of Civitavecchia, near Rome, after woman fell ill
  • Chinese woman, 54, has been put in isolation alongside her husband and both of them tested for coronavirus
  • Ship has been placed on lockdown until results come back, with 6,000 passengers and 1,000 crew on board
  • Port's captain tried to let 1,000 people go on Thursday afternoon, but was slapped down by the city mayor
  • Carnival, the company which owns Costa Crociere, saw its stock price fall 11 per cent as fears spread
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...taly-two-people-board-tested-coronavirus.html

I have been interested in taking an extended cruise vacation. The cruising industry is a mess right now. Not only because of this virus, but also because of tensions with Iran. Popular cruise destinations such as Dubai are near empty.

Cruise lines are darn near giving away quality vacations to get customers. Some fares now start at $26 per day, with many under $40. This includes all meals, lodging and entertainment.
 
I have been interested in taking an extended cruise vacation. The cruising industry is a mess right now. Not only because of this virus, but also because of tensions with Iran. Popular cruise destinations such as Dubai are near empty.

Cruise lines are darn near giving away quality vacations to get customers. Some fares now start at $26 per day, with many under $40. This includes all meals, lodging and entertainment.

Yes but they've tripled the port fees.
 
First person-to-person spread of coronavirus confirmed in the US as Chicago man is infected after his wife traveled to China where the disease killed 170 and ravaged at least 8,000
  • A Chicago man, in his 60s, has tested positive for the coronavirus after being infected by his wife
  • It is the first case of person-to-person spread of the virus in the US
  • The man's wife, 60, became the second person in the US to be diagnosed after she returned from a trip to Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak
  • The couple, who have not been identified, are now both being isolated in a suburban Chicago hospital
  • Four other cases have been confirmed in Arizona, California and Washington
  • Worldwide, more than 8,000 people have been infected and 170 people - all in China - have died
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...son-person-case-coronavirus-confirmed-US.html
 
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Warning, this is unconfirmed rumors.

There are questions about the true source of the Wuhan virus. It starts with the very first case early in Dec. They can not connect this first known case, as well as over a dozen early cases, to the wet animal market.

Combine this info with the report of a govt. research lab in Wuhan that studies these types of virus. There is a growing suspicion that the virus "may" have escaped the research facility.

We may never know the complete truth.
 
Warning, this is unconfirmed rumors.

There are questions about the true source of the Wuhan virus. It starts with the very first case early in Dec. They can not connect this first known case, as well as over a dozen early cases, to the wet animal market.

Combine this info with the report of a govt. research lab in Wuhan that studies these types of virus. There is a growing suspicion that the virus "may" have escaped the research facility.

We may never know the complete truth.

Thanks Obama!
 
Think of all the shipping boxes from Amazon and others that come from China not to mention other products.
 
Think of all the shipping boxes from Amazon and others that come from China not to mention other products.

Again, I am only posting the best info todate. It may not be accurate.

The virus needs a host, such as a human, to survive and multiply.

The virus can live for up to 5 days without a host. Such as on a door knob or box.

It is unlikely a box shipped from China would have a live virus.
 
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/27/china-silent-coronavirus-origins-amid-wuhan-seafoo/


China’s government stood silent Monday in the face of growing scientific reports that the source of the deadly Wuhan virus outbreak did not originate solely from a seafood market in the city.

President Xi Jinping faced mounting criticism on Chinese social media sites for failing to travel to the affected city in Hubei province. Chinese Premier Li Keqiang instead arrived in Wuhan on Monday and is heading efforts to confront the epidemic.

Wuhan’s mayor and the Communist Party secretary for the city of 11 million offered to resign amid criticism of their regional government’s mishandling of the deadly outbreak.

SEE ALSO: Hong Kong halts trains from mainland China as virus spreads

Suspicions about a link to a biological warfare leak in Wuhan have been raised because the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory handles deadly viruses and its civilian and military research are intertwined in China.

The Washington Times reported Friday that a former Israeli military intelligence analyst on the Chinese biological arms program said it is possible the disease escaped from one of two Chinese research facilities that are linked to China’s covert biological weapons program.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology National Biosafety Laboratory is China’s sole declared facility capable of conducting research on deadly viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). China declared a second laboratory, the Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, as part of biological warfare research under the Biological Weapons Convention.

The State Department said in a report last year that it suspects China is working covertly on offensive biological weapons in violation of the convention.

A group of 29 Chinese researchers, writing in the British medical journal The Lancet, said the first person to become ill from the Wuhan virus was identified on Dec. 1 and had no link to the animal market. The magazine Science reported the findings of the study on Sunday.

“No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” the report said. At least 13 victims of the virus had no apparent exposure to the seafood market. The market sold wild animals such as civet cats until it was closed on Jan. 1.

“That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, told Science.

Dr. Lucey, an infectious disease physician and adjunct professor of infectious diseases, told the online
 

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