OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (2 Viewers)

[Lanny]

good thing sunglasses are on everyone's faces here.
course there is the negative about air conditioning to counter this

Maybe that's because they are more likely to have graduated from high school.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[theprunetang]

Wow

 

[Lanny]

Please don't make me use twitter for the first time.

 

[tlongII]

Trump said a vaccine will be available to those that are "high risk" within the next few months. I believe him so we shall see.

 

[theprunetang]

Trump said a vaccine will be available to those that are "high risk" within the next few months. I believe him so we shall see.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 7 thousand times, shame on me.

 

[tlongII]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 7 thousand times, shame on me.

So you don't believe a vaccine will be available to "high risk" people within the next few months?

 

[theprunetang]

So you don't believe a vaccine will be available to "high risk" people within the next few months?

Define "next few months". I'm guessing more like a year before we will see anything that works.

 

[Lanny]

So you don't believe a vaccine will be available to "high risk" people within the next few months?

No, I don't. Unless you define the vaccine as approved by Trump and therefor more qualified than one approved by Fauci.

 

[tlongII]

Define "next few months". I'm guessing more like a year before we will see anything that works.

I believe a vaccine will be available by December. Not available for everybody, but available for "high risk" people. So we shall see.

 

[crandc]

Trump said today if you don't count blue states response to Corona virus has been great.

1. Most deaths over the summer were in red states, in large part due to refusal to wear masks and socially distance.

2. Most of the highest population states are blue states so would make logical sense they have more cases.

3. Both red and blue states are part of the same country. Presidents are supposed to be president of the country, not exclude big chunks of it.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...4-new-coronavirus-cases-300-deaths-642582/amp

Mexico reports 4,444 new coronavirus cases, 300 deaths

 

[kjironman1]

This is what he really played.

 

[kjironman1]

So you don't believe a vaccine will be available to "high risk" people within the next few months?

Listen even if it was developed TODAY! It would not be available to high risk patients for over 3 months. But that isn't even the thing Trump is saying. He is saying "IT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEXT 2-3 MONTHS!"

 

[kjironman1]

 

[kjironman1]

Exactly how does the President of The United States get away with saying "If you take the BLUE states out".
Isn't the United States Red White & BLUE....?

If you look real hard you can see the white in there...

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[kjironman1]

Does this man look like he is on some kind of stimulants to you?

 

[Hoopguru]

Brown gives exception for Ducks & Beavs to resume football.
Good to hear!

 

[wizenheimer]

So you don't believe a vaccine will be available to "high risk" people within the next few months?

maybe one will, but it won't have gone thru the entire process of phase 3 trials, efficacy testing, and the 6-8 week waiting period to gauge side effects. I saw the former head of the CDC say that on TV tonight. He said the only way to get even a small inventory to high risk people before Christmas was by the white house ordering significant short cuts to the normal trials, testing, control groups, efficacy studies, & side effect studies.

he pointed to the clusterfuck about HCL as an example of the dangers of rushed or cancelled science, but that the impact of a flawed vaccine could do incalculable damage. For instance he mentioned how important it was to gauge the level and duration of vaccine conveyed immunity. Immunity that is only conveyed for one or two months after the booster is nearly useless, but we wouldn't know that if we don't gauge for those one or two months. Guess what...that puts it into next year

there are also serious concerns that if people take a bad or ineffective vaccine, they might not be able to take a much better vaccine for months after the first one. That's another unknown that will get buried in the rush

 

[wizenheimer]

by the way, fuck trump and his blue states bullshit:

3 Texas 14,874
5 Florida 12,944
10 Georgia 6,419
11 Arizona 5,371
12 Louisiana 5,296
13 Ohio 4,561
16 Indiana 3,472
17 North Carolina 3,149
18 South Carolina 3,132
20 Mississippi 2,756
21 Alabama 2,392
22 Tennessee 2,151
26 Missouri 1,878
28 Iowa 1,237
30 Arkansas 1,157
31 Kentucky 1,082
33 Oklahoma 924
37 Kansas 586
39 Nebraska 439
41 Utah 437
42 Idaho 429
43 West Virginia 290
44 South Dakota 192
45 North Dakota 177
46 Montana 141
50 Wyoming 46

that's a lot of red state death....and they are catching up quickly

 

[THE HCP]

Twitter suspends account of Chinese virologist who claims COVID-19 was developed in a Wuhan lab - as she releases report with 'evidence' that she says backs up her theory

• Li-Meng Yan's account was taken down on Tuesday after she accused China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19
• Yan has since claimed she was suspended because 'they don't want the people to know this truth'
• Yan alleges to be a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health
• She published a report this week that she claims backs up her theory that China created the virus in a lab
• Scientists have since slammed her report as 'unsubstantiated' and said it 'cannot be given any credibility'
• Yan's claims are at odds with Dr Anthony Fauci who has previously disputed that the virus was made in a lab

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nese-virologist-claims-COVID-19-lab-made.html

I'm confused. Isn't this the EXACT link that the one guy posted trying to prove some point?

 

[kjironman1]

there are also serious concerns that if people take a bad or ineffective vaccine, they might not be able to take a much better vaccine for months after the first one.

Could you imagine the peril of this country if this actually happened? Can you imagine how many people would simply refuse to consider even getting any vaccine at all?

 

[tlongII]

maybe one will, but it won't have gone thru the entire process of phase 3 trials, efficacy testing, and the 6-8 week waiting period to gauge side effects. I saw the former head of the CDC say that on TV tonight. He said the only way to get even a small inventory to high risk people before Christmas was by the white house ordering significant short cuts to the normal trials, testing, control groups, efficacy studies, & side effect studies.

he pointed to the clusterfuck about HCL as an example of the dangers of rushed or cancelled science, but that the impact of a flawed vaccine could do incalculable damage. For instance he mentioned how important it was to gauge the level and duration of vaccine conveyed immunity. Immunity that is only conveyed for one or two months after the booster is nearly useless, but we wouldn't know that if we don't gauge for those one or two months. Guess what...that puts it into next year

there are also serious concerns that if people take a bad or ineffective vaccine, they might not be able to take a much better vaccine for months after the first one. That's another unknown that will get buried in the rush

Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. Just because something hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean it can’t be done. I have faith that the collective knowledge of the experts working on this will result in an effective vaccine available before the end of the year. There is too much at stake.

 

[lawai'a]

Leaked FEMA Memo Reveals 17 Percent Jump in U.S. COVID Deaths Last Week
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=73065540&cid=social_twitter_abcn#73067281
Sep 17, 5:30 am
US sees nearly 17% jump in coronavirus-related deaths
An internal memo from the Federal Emergency Management Agency obtained by ABC News on Wednesday night showed that the current national trend in new cases is only slightly down while the trend in new deaths is way up.

There were 261,204 new cases of COVID-19 confirmed in the United States during the period of Sept. 9-15, a 0.7% decrease from the previous week. Meanwhile, 5,906 coronavirus-related deaths were recorded during that same period, a 16.6% increase compared with the seven days prior, according to the FEMA memo.

The national positivity rate for COVID-19 tests currently stands at 4.4%, a 0.1% decrease over the past week, according to the memo.

ABC News' Josh Margolin contributed to this report.

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm confused. Isn't this the EXACT link that the one guy posted trying to prove some point?

Is it possible she could be telling the truth?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[wizenheimer]

Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. Just because something hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean it can’t be done. I have faith that the collective knowledge of the experts working on this will result in an effective vaccine available before the end of the year. There is too much at stake.

there is not "too much at stake" to justify getting things wrong when it comes to a vaccine. There's no good justification for shit-canning protocols that have been put in place for excellent reasons. The process has been incredibly rushed to this point, meaning that the danger of eliminating essential stages is much higher. And it's ridiculously obvious that trump and his sheeple are doing everything they can to get something out before the election. It's just as obvious they don't give a shit if the vaccine is safe, just as long as it's something trump can brag about

if you want to know how and why the phase 1, phase 2, & phase 3 trials came to be protocols, followed by efficacy and anti-body testing, followed by a set period of time to study side effects, then read up about the disaster of the first polio vaccine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

 

[wizenheimer]

Is it possible she could be telling the truth?

sure, and it's possible that golf-ball sized hail will fall from the sky this afternoon on my yard and on my yard alone. But it won't happen

for social media to have removed or blocked her posts means what she's saying has been shown to be egregiously false or unsupported. The tobacco industry was always able to find 'doctors' who said smoking didn't cause cancer, until they weren't. There are a few scientists who still claim climate change doesn't exist but invariably, if you track their history there is money motivating their 'analysis'

it doesn't take much of an internet sleuth to discover that any claim the virus was made in a lab goes against just about everything known about the virus on a molecular level

besides that: who gives a shit at this point? It doesn't change anything in the battle against the virus. The only purpose for a discredited story like this to appear on fox news, at this time, is to distract and deflect from the disastrous job trump has done. "it's the fault of the evil Chinese, not of our dear leader!"

 

[Hoopguru]

sure, and it's possible that golf-ball sized hail will fall from the sky this afternoon on my yard and on my yard alone. But it won't happen

for social media to have removed or blocked her posts means what she's saying has been shown to be egregiously false or unsupported. The tobacco industry was always able to find 'doctors' who said smoking didn't cause cancer, until they weren't. There are a few scientists who still claim climate change doesn't exist but invariably, if you track their history there is money motivating their 'analysis'

it doesn't take much of an internet sleuth to discover that any claim the virus was made in a lab goes against just about everything known about the virus on a molecular level

besides that: who gives a shit at this point? It doesn't change anything in the battle against the virus. The only purpose for a discredited story like this to appear on fox news, at this time, is to distract and deflect from the disastrous job trump has done. "it's the fault of the evil Chinese, not of our dear leader!"

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