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Exactly.
Surprise! It's the same people who are keeping community spread to epidemic proportions... hence the mandates.
It’s insane. Suddenly people care about molecules and mRNA and everything that goes into their bodies. They are all just excuses to be anti-vax or anti-establishment and “don’t tread on me” people. That’s it. They have no idea what they are talking about. But they won’t be told what to do.
 
Especially if the patients are only treated with anti-science medications like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?
Whatever they choose. I don't care as long as responsible members of society are no longer at greater than necessary risk due to politically driven misinformation largely driven by Facebook bot farms in eastern Europe.
 
Montana hospital ICU reaches 150% capacity amid surge of COVID-19 cases
In Billings, Montana, emergency room doctor Jamiee Belsky can barely keep up with the surge of new COVID-19 patients.

"So we are — we're getting short on beds," she said.

At Billings Clinic, the largest hospital in the state, the ICU is running at 150% capacity with younger and sicker patients admitted daily. The National Guard is on hand to help care for and screen new patients while hallways house the overflow.

vaccinated because right now we're hurting," Belsky said.

Frank Miller, 59, was hospitalized with COVID-19 more than two weeks ago. The unvaccinated engineer spent more than a week on a ventilator.

"I struggled with it, being on a ventilator," he said, adding he was "scared out of my mind."


Billings Clinic Hospital in Billings, Montana.
"Because you don't know," Miller said. "You don't know what's happening. Afterward. I thought I'd come right out of it and I would be okay. And all of a sudden I couldn't move my hands. I couldn't feed myself."

In the past week, Montana averaged about 108 COVID-19 patients in hospital ICUs — breaking the record seen during the winter of 2020. Thirty-five people have died in the state since the start of the month.

"You have good days, you have bad days," Belsky said. "I have days I have to call my college buddies and say, 'Hey man, it's been a bad day. We lost a tough patient last night.'"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/montana-hospital-icu-reaches-150-capacity-amid-surge-of-covid-19-cases/
 
I call BS, it's way too soon for any sort of new tech. It's either fake or a secret way to control us with 5G.

I bet Bill Gates is behind it.

My wife's company is using new technology to limit each employee being in the office for 2 days of the week and work the rest from home - and since they work in a large industrial area that is connected to a warehouse - they keep the huge warehouse doors open for ventilation.

It sure feels like Bill Gates 5G thing, for sure. ;)
 
Too bad the vaccine doesn't prevent people from being a virus vector...

True. It also does not give them untold riches, makes them sexier and have their shit smell like roses.

It does (a) help make them a lot less likely to get infected and (b) if so less likely to have adverse responses.

Because of (a) - there are a lot less that can become a virus vector, so that's good, because of (b) they are less likely to have adverse response, clog hospitals, so that's good.

Get vaccinated, people.
 
My wife's company is using new technology to limit each employee being in the office for 2 days of the week and work the rest from home - and since they work in a large industrial area that is connected to a warehouse - they keep the huge warehouse doors open for ventilation.

It sure feels like Bill Gates 5G thing, for sure. ;)
I've been working with an Architecture firm recently and noticed that they have had a lot of HVAC upgrade projects lately, especially schools.
 
I've been working with an Architecture firm recently and noticed that they have had a lot of HVAC upgrade projects lately, especially schools.
Part of my position entails being a supplier of industrial ducting.
The increase in sales for companies doing upgrades has been insane! We have already doubled last years gross revenue in that sector of our business.
 
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Montana hospital ICU reaches 150% capacity amid surge of COVID-19 cases
In Billings, Montana, emergency room doctor Jamiee Belsky can barely keep up with the surge of new COVID-19 patients.

"So we are — we're getting short on beds," she said.

At Billings Clinic, the largest hospital in the state, the ICU is running at 150% capacity with younger and sicker patients admitted daily. The National Guard is on hand to help care for and screen new patients while hallways house the overflow.

vaccinated because right now we're hurting," Belsky said.

Frank Miller, 59, was hospitalized with COVID-19 more than two weeks ago. The unvaccinated engineer spent more than a week on a ventilator.

"I struggled with it, being on a ventilator," he said, adding he was "scared out of my mind."


Billings Clinic Hospital in Billings, Montana.
"Because you don't know," Miller said. "You don't know what's happening. Afterward. I thought I'd come right out of it and I would be okay. And all of a sudden I couldn't move my hands. I couldn't feed myself."

In the past week, Montana averaged about 108 COVID-19 patients in hospital ICUs — breaking the record seen during the winter of 2020. Thirty-five people have died in the state since the start of the month.

"You have good days, you have bad days," Belsky said. "I have days I have to call my college buddies and say, 'Hey man, it's been a bad day. We lost a tough patient last night.'"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/montana-hospital-icu-reaches-150-capacity-amid-surge-of-covid-19-cases/

This is what we have to deal with because people wont get vaccinated.
 
You're using blanket data that dont fit most of the nurses i know. So i have better data for you.

Age 18-29

3376 deaths, 7.47 million infections (Undercounted of course because not everyone that gets infected will get tested - but lets use it for this purpose)

thats a risk factor of .004% of death. I know it doesnt fit your narrative, but "follow the science"
So its a risk assessment that should come down to personal freedom. So then the argument will be made, that they work with others that have a higher death rate, which is true, however, just because you get vaccinated, doesn't mean you can't spread covid.

So again, here are the facts

1) They are making a personal risk assessment that they would rather not put something in their body that would potentially marginally help them (so would something like the flu vaccine, but we wont get into that argument)
2) They can infect others by not getting the vaccine, but they can just as easily infect them WITH the vaccine. So really, it only potentially helps there own PERSONAL outcome, not the outcomes of others.

Then the argument will be made that it doesn't stay in a vax person's system as long. Sure, not two weeks, but still several days. And for a healthcare worker, at most they are taking 2-3 days off in a row, so therefore, they can easily infect even by being vaxed.

But once again, this is my rationale and logic, and I think its unbiased, but I will never convince others who don't want to hear it to begin with

AGAIN. No vaccine is 100% effective but it lowers the likely-hood of you getting it, even if you're 18-29, thus lowering the likely-hood that you'll pass it on to more vulnerable demographics.

It lowers the likely-hood of you getting infected by a factor of five, so the chance you spread it to others as a healthcare practitioner is similarly reduced. Not to mention the length of time you're contagious is shorter. Does that make sense? It lowers the likely-hood. If you were actually thinking logically you would understand this. If you were unbiased you'd be accepting the facts that have been posted by other users this very morning. I can't really figure out how to make it clearer.

But we do agree on one thing, people aren't going to change their minds at this point, unless they or a family member/friend get extremely sick or die. Until then, it's best to dig into your ignorance and pretend you know what you're talking about.

Typically I'm your body your choice, but in this case it's been and continues to be a community health-issue, and given the many facts that I and others have given, it's simply a no-brainer if you care about others. And that's especially true for those who deal closely with many doctor/hospital patients a day. The downside is so rare it's negligible, and the upside can save serious illnesses and even death.
 
Let me know when it kills 6,600 people, like the common flu did last year. Only then will I shit my pants and run around with my hair on fire.
I accidentally went to the first page of this thread and saw this. I remember the good old days when people downplayed the virus like it was the flu. We're still hitting that number every three days. Some people just like to be proven wrong over and over and over. There's always a new argument they hear on the TV that they cling to.
 
This is what we have to deal with because people wont get vaccinated.
So reduce that by a factor of 4 and you're looking at less than 38% capacity. Reduce it by a factor of 25 and you're sitting at about 6% capacity...

The math is not hard.
 
True. It also does not give them untold riches, makes them sexier and have their shit smell like roses.

It does (a) help make them a lot less likely to get infected and (b) if so less likely to have adverse responses.

Because of (a) - there are a lot less that can become a virus vector, so that's good, because of (b) they are less likely to have adverse response, clog hospitals, so that's good.

Get vaccinated, people.
I gained a solid 1.5 inches length and diameter after the covid vaccine. Best thing I ever did. Now I got super models just clinging to me.

It works. Even Nicki Manaj will tell you it works.
 
I accidentally went to the first page of this thread and saw this. I remember the good old days when people downplayed the virus like it was the flu. We're still hitting that number every three days. Some people just like to be proven wrong over and over and over. There's always a new argument they hear on the TV that they cling to.
Wow. I'm kind of surprised he hasn't deleted that one...
 
But we do agree on one thing, people aren't going to change their minds at this point, unless they or a family member/friend get extremely sick or die. Until then, it's best to dig into your ignorance and pretend you know what you're talking about.
I kid you not. A few months ago I was being told off by a lady who's "Father just died WITH covid-19, not OF covid-19". She was incredibly emotional, abusive, and 100% convinced that covid-19 couldn't have killed her dad.

After all, it's just like the flu. Or a cold. :banghead2:
 
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When the story of the COVID-19 pandemic is written, it will need to include several chapters — perhaps several volumes — about the unintended consequences of our actions taken in response.

Childhood obesity, reports the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has risen sharply during the pandemic.

According to a paper recently circulated by the agency, body mass index (the measure of weight relative to height) in a sample of 430,000 children increased between March and November 2020 at nearly double the rate that it did before the pandemic began.

Unsurprisingly, elementary-aged children and children who were already overweight or obese (and therefore most at risk) experienced the greatest increases.

Another recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association had similar findings, reporting that the portion of children ages 5-11 who are classified as overweight or obese is now a whopping 45.7 percent, up from 36.2 percent before the pandemic.

These numbers are alarming in and of themselves, because childhood obesity often presages obesity as an adult and carries with it a whole host of other, often serious, health problems.

But the rise in obesity is also disturbing given what we know about its relationship to the public health crisis at hand: Aside from age, obesity is the most common health condition associated with severe COVID cases, hospitalization and death.

One body of research found that people with obesity who contracted COVID were 113 percent more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74 percent more likely to be admitted to an intensive-care unit, and 48 percent more likely to die.

Child mortality due to COVID is (thankfully) still vanishingly small, but obesity is a common condition of those who have succumbed to the illness.

Yet throughout the pandemic, our collective public response has not just been to ignore the crisis of obesity but in subtle ways to encourage it.

We need only to think how early on in the COVID crisis, states and localities shuttered public parks, filled skate parks with sand, removed nets from basketball hoops, canceled local sports leagues and required universal mask-wearing outdoors, even in the heat of summer when masks made breathing difficult and being outside onerous.

These policies and practices may have seemed justifiable early on, but they inexplicably continued in many places even after it was well-established that the virus does not spread easily in outdoor settings.

And the bizarre government promotion of poor health practices hasn’t stopped there.

Since the vaccines have been widely available, public officials have partnered with businesses and organizations to entice the public to get vaccinated with offers of free beer, doughnuts and fast food.

Who can forget (however much you might like to) Mayor Bill de Blasio gorging himself on Shake Shack on live TV in an effort to get New Yorkers to vaccinate and “protect” their health?

When small children become vaccine-eligible, the appetite for employing the same kinds of kitschy tactics to encourage them to get the shot will be strong. But political and health leaders should resist it.

In the meantime, they should focus their efforts on finding ways to keep kids healthy — protecting them not just from COVID, but also from the cascade of damaging health consequences our poor policies have contributed to.
 
When the story of the COVID-19 pandemic is written, it will need to include several chapters — perhaps several volumes — about the unintended consequences of our actions taken in response.

Childhood obesity, reports the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has risen sharply during the pandemic.

According to a paper recently circulated by the agency, body mass index (the measure of weight relative to height) in a sample of 430,000 children increased between March and November 2020 at nearly double the rate that it did before the pandemic began.

Unsurprisingly, elementary-aged children and children who were already overweight or obese (and therefore most at risk) experienced the greatest increases.

Another recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association had similar findings, reporting that the portion of children ages 5-11 who are classified as overweight or obese is now a whopping 45.7 percent, up from 36.2 percent before the pandemic.

These numbers are alarming in and of themselves, because childhood obesity often presages obesity as an adult and carries with it a whole host of other, often serious, health problems.

But the rise in obesity is also disturbing given what we know about its relationship to the public health crisis at hand: Aside from age, obesity is the most common health condition associated with severe COVID cases, hospitalization and death.

One body of research found that people with obesity who contracted COVID were 113 percent more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74 percent more likely to be admitted to an intensive-care unit, and 48 percent more likely to die.

Child mortality due to COVID is (thankfully) still vanishingly small, but obesity is a common condition of those who have succumbed to the illness.

Yet throughout the pandemic, our collective public response has not just been to ignore the crisis of obesity but in subtle ways to encourage it.

We need only to think how early on in the COVID crisis, states and localities shuttered public parks, filled skate parks with sand, removed nets from basketball hoops, canceled local sports leagues and required universal mask-wearing outdoors, even in the heat of summer when masks made breathing difficult and being outside onerous.

These policies and practices may have seemed justifiable early on, but they inexplicably continued in many places even after it was well-established that the virus does not spread easily in outdoor settings.

And the bizarre government promotion of poor health practices hasn’t stopped there.

Since the vaccines have been widely available, public officials have partnered with businesses and organizations to entice the public to get vaccinated with offers of free beer, doughnuts and fast food.

Who can forget (however much you might like to) Mayor Bill de Blasio gorging himself on Shake Shack on live TV in an effort to get New Yorkers to vaccinate and “protect” their health?

When small children become vaccine-eligible, the appetite for employing the same kinds of kitschy tactics to encourage them to get the shot will be strong. But political and health leaders should resist it.

In the meantime, they should focus their efforts on finding ways to keep kids healthy — protecting them not just from COVID, but also from the cascade of damaging health consequences our poor policies have contributed to.
Getting them vaccinated will allow them to go back to attending more activities. Vaccination is the solution to get back where we were before covid-19. However, we should certainly be changing the kinds of food we're subsidizing so kids eat less junk.
 
Wait. Kids can get the vaccine? I thought it wasn't available yet for kids?

not sure how that helps this report if its eventually going to be available, but hasn't been thus far:


When the story of the COVID-19 pandemic is written, it will need to include several chapters — perhaps several volumes — about the unintended consequences of our actions taken in response.

Childhood obesity, reports the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has risen sharply during the pandemic.

According to a paper recently circulated by the agency, body mass index (the measure of weight relative to height) in a sample of 430,000 children increased between March and November 2020 at nearly double the rate that it did before the pandemic began.

Unsurprisingly, elementary-aged children and children who were already overweight or obese (and therefore most at risk) experienced the greatest increases.

Another recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association had similar findings, reporting that the portion of children ages 5-11 who are classified as overweight or obese is now a whopping 45.7 percent, up from 36.2 percent before the pandemic.

These numbers are alarming in and of themselves, because childhood obesity often presages obesity as an adult and carries with it a whole host of other, often serious, health problems.

But the rise in obesity is also disturbing given what we know about its relationship to the public health crisis at hand: Aside from age, obesity is the most common health condition associated with severe COVID cases, hospitalization and death.

One body of research found that people with obesity who contracted COVID were 113 percent more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74 percent more likely to be admitted to an intensive-care unit, and 48 percent more likely to die.

Child mortality due to COVID is (thankfully) still vanishingly small, but obesity is a common condition of those who have succumbed to the illness.

Yet throughout the pandemic, our collective public response has not just been to ignore the crisis of obesity but in subtle ways to encourage it.

We need only to think how early on in the COVID crisis, states and localities shuttered public parks, filled skate parks with sand, removed nets from basketball hoops, canceled local sports leagues and required universal mask-wearing outdoors, even in the heat of summer when masks made breathing difficult and being outside onerous.

These policies and practices may have seemed justifiable early on, but they inexplicably continued in many places even after it was well-established that the virus does not spread easily in outdoor settings.

And the bizarre government promotion of poor health practices hasn’t stopped there.

Since the vaccines have been widely available, public officials have partnered with businesses and organizations to entice the public to get vaccinated with offers of free beer, doughnuts and fast food.

Who can forget (however much you might like to) Mayor Bill de Blasio gorging himself on Shake Shack on live TV in an effort to get New Yorkers to vaccinate and “protect” their health?

When small children become vaccine-eligible, the appetite for employing the same kinds of kitschy tactics to encourage them to get the shot will be strong. But political and health leaders should resist it.

In the meantime, they should focus their efforts on finding ways to keep kids healthy — protecting them not just from COVID, but also from the cascade of damaging health consequences our poor policies have contributed to.
 
Wait. Who is going to subsidize childrens diets?
A government policy?

something i mentioned and was laughed at and mocked when i said we should work on improving diets with taxation on bad foods?

Hhhmmmmm…..
 
Wait. Who is going to subsidize childrens diets?
A government policy?

something i mentioned and was laughed at and mocked when i said we should work on improving diets with taxation on bad foods?

Hhhmmmmm…..
I said the government should stop subsidizing junk food.
 
Wait. Kids can get the vaccine? I thought it wasn't available yet for kids?

not sure how that helps this report if its eventually going to be available, but hasn't been thus far:
12 and older can currently get the vaccine. FDA could approve vaccines for 5-12 year-olds sometime in October.
 
I said the government should stop subsidizing junk food.
so government should control the diet by not subsidizing junk food. And they offer alternatives how? Through higher taxes to help pay for better food?

So a government controlled diet through taxation to fund the school lunches?


Hhhhmmmmmmm……
 
So basically irrelevant to the report posted. Got it.
If the pandemic is what caused the increase in obesity, getting the kids back to normal lifestyles should return them to their pre-pandemic BMI. Calories in/ Calories out.

Vaccines would accomplish this.

So, directly related to the report posted.
 
Im thinking someone has never tried going on a diet and has no clue how easy it is to put on 50 lbs but how hard it is to lose it……
 
so government should control the diet by not subsidizing junk food. And they offer alternatives how? Through higher taxes to help pay for better food?

So a government controlled diet through taxation to fund the school lunches?


Hhhhmmmmmmm……
Just stop making junk food insanely cheap. The government already funds school lunches. If the government wants to fully fund school lunches I'd support that. In fact, it's happening in schools this very year. Every child in school gets free breakfast and lunch. At least, in Oregon.

By removing the subsidies on corn syrup and other junk food you would remove much of the incentive for people to buy it.
 
Just stop making junk food insanely cheap. The government already funds school lunches. If the government wants to fully fund school lunches I'd support that. In fact, it's happening in schools this very year. Every child in school gets free breakfast and lunch. At least, in Oregon.

By removing the subsidies on corn syrup and other junk food you would remove much of the incentive for people to buy it.

how would you make junk food more expensive? With taxation?

Government provides food based on the funding. To say they are fully funded is only relative to the grocery list of which they are purchasing. Healthier foods cost more.
So if they are already fully funded. To increase the health of the food, they would presumably require more funding. Which means more taxes.

which is what i brought up that many people made fun of and mocked.
 
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