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There are companies developing these vaccines all over the world that have no connection to any western corporate titan....Taiwan developed it's own vaccines which took longer but came to the same conclusions that other developers came to .....I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle to this pandemic...sure the companies profit during a pandemic...firemen profit during fire season...arms dealers profit during war....that's capitalism..but the public for the most part is offered free vaccinations...have any of you paid for the shot? Mine have all been free.
 
Astounding hypocrisy.
it's a fact though...I was at the VA with vets in a group all waiting together to get our boosters and half of those guys looked like they might not make it through the winter before they got their shots...this is one of the intangibles about all these numbers people spout in defense of their positions. A lot of people who died were diabetic as well. Deaths were also early on covered up in nursing homes to keep their doors open as "natural" deaths when they were actually covid deaths....Nebraska had a mess with that and there are a lot of old folks homes in Nebraska. Because of pure stubborness this shit is still with us....should have capped off a year and a half ago if people didn't deny it and fight over safety measures.
 
just was on the CDC website....says mrna vaccines are safe and very effective...(.bullshit is bullshit and propoganda isn't fact..) I didn't think you liked "Woke" people?Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
read it all here...

Did you even read the 100% full liability waiver you were required to sign in order to be a test subject? Apparently not or you would not have signed it. Because no real actually approved vaccine needs a waiver because they have been tested and verified to be safe for most patients. mRNA has never had a successful test in over a decade of studies. It has not been shown to have any positive effect on protection, immunity, severity or spread. It appears to have done the opposite. Created variants, directly infected those who got the shots, causing more spread, and worst of all prevented shotgetters from achieving natural immunity, probably forever.
 
Did you even read the 100% full liability waiver you were required to sign in order to be a test subject? Apparently not or you would not have signed it. Because no real actually approved vaccine needs a waiver because they have been tested and verified to be safe for most patients. mRNA has never had a successful test in over a decade of studies. It has not been shown to have any positive effect on protection, immunity, severity or spread. It appears to have done the opposite. Created variants, directly infected those who got the shots, causing more spread, and worst of all prevented shotgetters from achieving natural immunity, probably forever.

So much just wrong and crazy information in your post.

Covid-19: Studies Indicate Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine Protects Against the Most Severe Outcomes of Some Virus Variants

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is incredibly effective against severe disease caused by two variants, studies say.




Credit...Allison Zaucha for The New York Times
The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is extraordinarily effective at protecting against severe disease caused by two dangerous variants, according to two studies published Wednesday.

The studies, which are based on the real-world use of the vaccine in Qatar and Israel, suggest that the vaccine can prevent the worst outcomes — including severe pneumonia and death — caused by B.1.1.7, the variant first identified in the U.K., and B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa.

“This is really good news,” said Dr. Annelies Wilder-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “At this point in time, we can confidently say that we can use this vaccine, even in the presence of circulating variants of concern.”

Previous research suggested that B.1.1.7 is more infectious and more deadly than other variants but that vaccines still worked well against it. On the other hand, vaccines appeared to be less effective against B.1.351, according to earlier studies.

One of the new studies, which appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, is based on information about more than 200,000 people that was pulled from Qatar’s national Covid-19 databases between Feb. 1 and March 31.

In multiple analyses, the researchers found that the vaccine was 87 to 89.5 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.1.7 among people who were at least two weeks past their second shot. It was 72.1 to 75 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.351 among those who had reached the two-week point.

The vaccine was highly effective at protecting against the worst outcomes. Overall, it was 97.4 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease from any form of the coronavirus, and 100 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease caused by B.1.1.7 or B.1.351.

The second new study, which was published in The Lancet, was conducted by researchers at Pfizer and at Israel’s Ministry of Health. It is based on more than 230,000 instances of coronavirus infection that occurred in Israel between Jan. 24 and April 3. During that period, B.1.1.7 accounted for nearly 95 percent of all coronavirus cases in the country, which has vaccinated more than half of its population.

The researchers found that the vaccine was more than 95 percent effective at protecting against coronavirus infection, hospitalization and death among fully vaccinated people 16 and older. It also worked well in older adults. Among those 85 or older, the vaccine was more than 94 percent effective at preventing infection, hospitalization and death.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/05/05/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases
 
Did you even read the 100% full liability waiver you were required to sign in order to be a test subject? Apparently not or you would not have signed it. Because no real actually approved vaccine needs a waiver because they have been tested and verified to be safe for most patients. mRNA has never had a successful test in over a decade of studies. It has not been shown to have any positive effect on protection, immunity, severity or spread. It appears to have done the opposite. Created variants, directly infected those who got the shots, causing more spread, and worst of all prevented shotgetters from achieving natural immunity, probably forever.
yes...same disclaimers are on all my heart meds too and the ibuprofin in the cupboard....I've signed those waivers all three times my life has been saved by doctors....I'll bet you never signed a waiver when you took LSD or injested countless food items traveling....you thought that was beef but really it was a rodent...I'm pretty sure I had covid in Dec 2019 and didn't know what it was as did my wife...my doctor said it's highly possible so I'm probably covered as far as safety ....we're all test subjects....essentially crash test dummies everytime we drive on public roads. I've handled enough toxic crap in my younger days to mutate myself down to the bone structure.....used to spray red lead paint in the engine room of the ship I was on in the navy and cleaned my hands from oil paint with paint thinner which also goes to your liver....essentially we're cockroaches...hell Keith Richards is 80.....so much for risk eh
 
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Again, anyone can post on VEARS. Anyone can claim a death was caused by VEARS. I can claim you are dead from the vaccine on VEARS. Are you?

It's not like posting a comment on a website. You're not incentivised by $$$ to make false claims like hospitals are.
 
The most-vaccinated big counties in America are beating the worst of the coronavirus

Much has been written about the yawning gap in outcomes between less-vaccinated and more-vaccinated areas, especially as deaths in less-vaccinated, red states significantly and increasingly outpace more-vaccinated, blue states. The Washington Post’s Philip Bump also reported this week that deaths in red counties are more than 50 percent higher than in blue counties.



But even that might undersell just how beneficial vaccination is in preventing the worst that the coronavirus has to offer — particularly when adopted on a grand scale in a given area.

From the start of the vaccination effort, a pertinent question has been when we might achieve something amounting to “herd immunity,” i.e. having enough people vaccinated to stomp out the virus. Guesstimates often pegged that number at 70 percent or above. That concept has proven elusive, particularly as the delta variant has rendered the vaccines less effective at preventing the spread — while still extremely effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths.

But those latter metrics remain hugely important. And in the densely populated areas in which we’ve approached overwhelming adoption of the vaccines, the death rates are often a fraction of the national average — a significantly greater gap than between the most-vaccinated and least-vaccinated states.



Perhaps the most highly vaccinated large county in America, according to New York Times data, is Montgomery County, Md., just outside the District of Columbia. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show 93 percent of those 12 and older there are fully vaccinated, compared to around 70 percent nationally. The number dying over the past week is eight times as high nationally — 3.4 per 1 million — as it is in Montgomery County — 0.4 per 1 million — even as Montgomery County is near some virus hotspots.

The relative rate is similar in two of the handful of other most-vaccinated large counties in the country: Dane County, Wis. (home to Madison), where 86 percent of people 12 and older are fully vaccinated, per the CDC, and San Francisco, where 84 percent are vaccinated. Dane County also has 0.4 deaths per 1 million despite being in one of the most hard-hit regions, the Midwest.


Slightly fewer people 12 and over are vaccinated in New York City, though still north of 80 percent. Over the past week, it has registered a per-capita death rate about one-third the national average.



Similar to New York City are Multnomah County, Ore. (home to Portland), with its 84 percent full vaccination rate; Alameda County, Calif. (home to Oakland) at 84 percent; and Santa Clara County, Calif. (home to San Jose) at 81 percent. In each case, there is about 1 death per 1 million people, compared to 3-per-1-million at the national level (as well as more than 3 deaths per million statewide in Oregon and more than 2 per million in California).

There are some larger, highly vaccinated counties with rates that are comparable to the national average. These come particularly in the Denver area — Denver itself (79 percent fully vaccinated, 3 deaths per 1 million) and Boulder County (79 percent vaccinated, 2 deaths per 1 million) — and in Minneapolis-based Hennepin County (78 percent vaccinated, 3 deaths per 1 million).

But they also come in slightly less-vaccinated counties than the above and in states that are significantly more hard-hit than the rest of the broader country right now. These counties’ per capita death rates are also still about half or less compared to the rest of their states (more than 6 deaths per million in Colorado and 7 deaths per million in Minnesota).

So while the most-vaccinated states are significantly, incontrovertibly and increasingly better off than the less-vaccinated states, the difference is even starker at the county and city level — and even as many of these highly vaccinated counties also happen to be the most densely populated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...pc_uImdxSf-BHoRNI23suppdnKXpuwQw1vEZ0Zn_VCpXY
 
Fact Check-Research abstract is not reliable evidence of a link between mRNA vaccines and heart disease


A research abstract cited by commentators as proof that COVID-19 vaccines increase a person’s risk of heart disease has raised multiple concerns from experts.

The 319-word abstract, published in the American Heart Association journal Circulation, claims its research has found mRNA vaccines “dramatically increase” inflammation in endothelium cells and T cell infiltration in the heart.

This inflammation, it says, “may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination” (here).

Commentators on British television and social media have since cited the research as the “death bell” for mRNA vaccines (see here), or as reliable proof to back up anonymous sources and alleged anecdotal evidence of vaccine-related heart disease (see here).

However, multiple experts have raised criticisms of the abstract, which does not detail a full study and has not been peer-reviewed.


The American Heart Association published an “expression of concern” in its journal on Nov. 24 to warn that the passage may not be reliable and that a “suitable correction” was needed (here).

It added: “Specifically, there are several typographical errors, there is no data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration, there are no statistical analyses for significance provided, and the author is not clear that only anecdotal data was used.”

Multiple other experts have expressed similar sentiments online (here , here and here), including one who shared parts of a presentation about the abstract and said it lacked data and any references, and was only written by one person (here).

Reuters has reached out to the abstract author, Dr Steven Gundry, who is a former cardiothoracic surgeon and now promotes nutritious ways to avoid surgery, as well as running a private restorative medicine practice. He was not immediately available for comment.

Reuters has previously addressed claims about COVID-19 vaccines and heart issues here and here.

VERDICT
Missing context. The research abstract does not provide reliable evidence that mRNA vaccines increase risk of heart disease.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...mrna-vaccines-and-heart-disease-idUSL1N2SH1HN




I wish we could flag posts like Maris61's as "disputed by unbiased fact checker" or something...
 
There are currently over 30,000 American deaths caused directly by the mRNA shots, according to the CDC. This is nearly double the total of ALL deaths caused by ALL vaccines ever used anywhere throughout the history of the world combined. In less than a year.

Wake up.
Source please?
 
Astounding hypocrisy.
Not at all. All of those people would have died regardless of the vaccine.

There is no evidence those people died from the vaccine.

There is also no evidence of increased death rates among the vaccinated.
 
There are companies developing these vaccines all over the world that have no connection to any western corporate titan....Taiwan developed it's own vaccines which took longer but came to the same conclusions that other developers came to .....I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle to this pandemic...sure the companies profit during a pandemic...firemen profit during fire season...arms dealers profit during war....that's capitalism..but the public for the most part is offered free vaccinations...have any of you paid for the shot? Mine have all been free.

Nothing is free.

Every penny spent on the PANICdemic comes from our (the taxpayers) pockets. Or more accurately, the pockets of our Great Grandchildren. It's the world's largest-ever wealth transfer, a murderous conspiracy of epic proportions, and it's not going to end well.
 
Nothing is free.

Every penny spent on the PANICdemic comes from our (the taxpayers) pockets. Or more accurately, the pockets of our Great Grandchildren. It's the world's largest-ever wealth transfer, a murderous conspiracy of epic proportions, and it's not going to end well.
Good luck with that but I don't personally worship the GNP....and inflation is inevitable..greedy price gouging and unreasonable housing costs are going to hurt your grandchildren's pockets as well as their programmed consumer addictions...the world's largest wealth transfer was the raping of the gold and resources from the new world by European invaders....when you allow the 1% titans to control the stock market it won't matter that you pay taxes...you'll never compete with international titans with money in every known currency....stop voting for them!
 
And 94% of people who died with covid had comorbidies..
Fact check: 94% of individuals with additional causes of death still had COVID-19


Shared thousands of times on Facebook, posts claim that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “quietly updated” its COVID-19 data “to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 (U.S.) deaths recorded actually died from (COVID-19).” According to the posts, the CDC stated that the other 94% of people died from other causes, and that only 9,210 people have died from COVID-19. This claim is false.



Examples of this claim can be found
here , here , and here .

The posts began circulating on social media in late August 2020 as the number of recorded U.S. deaths related to the novel coronavirus topped 180,000 ( here ).

President Donald Trump, downplaying the pandemic’s domestic death toll ahead of the Nov. 3 election, shared the claim on Aug. 30 ( here ) in a Tweet that has since been removed by Twitter ( here ).

EXPLAINING COMORBIDITY
The claim that the CDC “admitted that only 6% of… (COVID-19-related) deaths recorded actually died from Covid” is false, because the remaining 94% of cases were instances of comorbidity (the existence of two or more conditions or illnesses in a patient). This does not exclude COVID-19, but combines it with other illnesses, often triggered by the new coronavirus itself.

Iterations of the claim on Facebook include an authentic screenshot of a dataset on comorbidities from the CDC’s provisional COVID-19 death count page ( here ). Although text above Table 3 says, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned,” the CDC did not mean that the other 94% of individuals did not die from novel coronavirus infection.

The table’s left-most column, labeled “Conditions Contributing to Deaths where COVID-19 was listed on the death certificate,” includes both serious complications from COVID-19 infection -- such as respiratory failure, pneumonia, and adult respiratory distress syndrome ( here ) – as well as pre-existing conditions that increase the risk of severe illness from COVID-19, such as diabetes and obesity ( here ).


An emailed statement to Reuters from the Mortality Statistics Branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) said death certificates, filled out by a physician, medical examiner, or coroner, list any causes or conditions that contributed to the person’s death, determined based on the medical expertise of that professional. The condition “that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death” is considered the person’s “underlying cause of death.”

In these cases, this would be COVID-19.

The NCHS statement broke down the death certificates mentioning COVID-19. For 94% of people who had COVID-19 also had other conditions listed. COVID-19 alone was cause of death for 6%.

Dr. Maja Artandi ( here ), medical director of the Stanford CROWN Clinic for COVID-19 patients ( here ), told Reuters via email that the CDC’s numbers “are really not a big surprise,” as “patients who have a comorbidity such as diabetes, hypertension or obesity have a higher risk of getting seriously ill and dying from COVID-19.” The numbers are also consistent with the fact that the novel coronavirus “can cause severe damage to the organs in the body such as the lungs, which then leads to respiratory failure and death.”

Key to understanding the issues in these posts is that, “If they had not gotten the infection,” Dr. Artandi said, “they would still be alive.”

Dr. Marc Larsen, an emergency medicine physician who serves as Incident Command Operations Chair for COVID-19 at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas ( here ), told Reuters via email that when filling out death certificates, physicians will typically use a standard format and list the primary cause of death as well as other contributing factors.

He provided an analogy to someone dying of a gunshot wound whose death certificate might list gunshot wound, along with hemorrhagic shock and liver laceration, as causes of death, with homelessness (associated with more exposure to potential violence, here ), as a contributing factor. For someone who died of COVID-19, the death certificate might read COVID-19, as well as pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors.


Dr. Larsen said that in both cases, “without those two triggers,” a gunshot wound and COVID-19, “the death would not have occurred. Nothing that appears after those primary diagnoses would have transpired had it not been for the primary event. In these examples, the patients did not die directly from being homeless or being diabetic with hypertension, however, they were contributing factors.”

On Sept. 1, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), debunked the claim on ABC’s Good Morning America ( here ).

Asked to explain “why the president would retweet a theory that suggests only 9,000 people have died of COVID-19,” Fauci said, “The point that the CDC was trying to make was that a certain percentage of (Americans who have died of COVID-19) had nothing else but just COVID. That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of COVID didn’t die of COVID-19. They did.”

He then confirmed that the recorded 180,000 American deaths “are real deaths from COVID-19.”

DATA LAGS AND DEATH COUNT ISSUES
At the time the screenshot in the posts was taken, the provisional COVID-19 death count was at 153,504. Using Wayback Machine, an Internet archive tool, this number reflected CDC data as of August 15 and was on the CDC’s website from August 17 ( here ).

As explained by the CDC here, COVID-19 death counts may vary “as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks.” Because the data here comes from processed death certificates, a note under Table 1 explains, “this delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.”


(Data collected using other methodologies, such as the CDC COVID Data Tracker here or the tracking tool provided by Reuters here may therefore reflect a higher COVID-19 death count.)

The posts also falsely allege that the CDC “quietly updated” its COVID-19 data in August to say that “for 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.” The page included the latest comorbidity data as early as May 8, at that time reporting that 7% of deaths had COVID-19 listed as the sole cause of death ( here ). The NCHS also told Reuters it has been publishing this information since it began posting data on COVID-19 deaths on its website.

The posts claim most recorded COVID-19 deaths were individuals of “very advanced age”. While 79% of the 161,392 deaths recorded by the provisional CDC death count were of those over 65 years old, 31.5%, or less than a third, were of those over 85 (see Table 3 here ).

VERDICT
False. The 6% figure represents death certificates with COVID-19 listed as the only cause of death, but the remaining death certificates listed additional conditions, either COVID-19 complications or pre-existing illnesses, along with COVID-19.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ses-of-death-still-had-covid-19-idUSKBN25U2IO
 
Trump yesterday released a lengthy rant in which he claimed, among a lot of other things, that he created the vaccine. So god emperor created this evil thing?
 
but flip it to covid deaths and everyone died from covid. No one died from something else… with covid…
Astounding hypocrisy is correct.
Because you guys know more than epidemiologists... Right...

Ignorance warship is the biggest problem in this country.
 
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