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Yes. Everyday. People discuss things here and you try to make drama about it.

But then some people chase other people around the forum calling them names they asked you not to call them.. just to create drama so you can then point the finger at them….

Some people make it personal…but cant handle when it gets tossed back at them…

here we go. Every day….

You know ive never really reported you to the mods, let alone do what you think i did.
Some people are curt and straight forward and deal with the issue head on instead of go tattling on someone. Or play stupid games.


Cant have a fucking conversation without some asshole trying to undermine it….

so correct. Here we go again. Started with a dumbass post.
Here we go again. Like trying to create Canby drama then blaming it on someone else.
Here we go again!

ive never met someone who tries to create so much drama and then act so innocent.

the maturity is astounding…


Would a mod like to address what im doing wrong again to spark such comments from this guy????? Please educate me as to what is wrong with phats and i talking?


please?

@SlyPokerDog ?

What shit am i starting now by discussing with phat the mandates???


Anyone???
 
Orion Bailey said:
allowing a store to deliver is different than closing them down.
I addressed the space factor you brought up earlier. Still bottle necks at the registers with many more people than small businesses.

were small businesses allowed to do takeout only innotially?

And if indoor spaces are okay wouldn't all outdoor spaces? But yet trump assemblies had massive surges outdoors? I would think outdoors would always be a better vector than any indoor warehouse?

Sorry. It just doesn't add up.
Money rules many many things in this world.
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Trump's rallies didn't have many mask wearers who practices social distancing.

Most stores had limits allowed inside, which prevented huge lines. And the lines still had 6ft spacing.

*The facts are pretty indisputable.

The small businesses that were closed down were closed because they were vectors and were not essential.

Small businesses which were essential and were not significant vectors didn't shut down.

Churches were given more leeway because of the religious aspect. And a great many outbreaks were centered around churches.

*Edited* to remove unnecessary observation about OB's intent.
 
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The local restaurants in the town of 3k people I live near survived by becoming food carts...they served food out the front door and hired a driver to deliver their food....they are a mom and pop as you could be but they are all still in business...Walmart had curbside shopping so there was no need to go in the store for anything ....smart....not govt conspiracy, just smart business plan...Walmart didn't get huge by being dumb at what they do...they also have warehouses and their own trucking firms....no mom and pop has that going on.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But why shut them down when they weren't vectors and they are also very important places to buy food? My family ordered groceries from Walmart a lot during the shutdown... Still do.
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Sorry phats. I have to end this convo because apperantly im having a tirade about mandates per the forum pet.

was hoping for more discussion about it as i was asking questions because i wasn't sure. But apparently thats doing”it” again. Every day i start something. Never anyone else…

sorry.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Trump's rallies didn't have many mask wearers who practices social distancing.

Most stores had limits allowed inside, which prevented huge lines. And the lines still had 6ft spacing.

I understand this is another issue in which you don't want to believe, but the facts are pretty indisputable.

The small businesses that were closed down were closed because they were vectors and were not essential.

Small businesses which were essential and were not significant vectors didn't shut down.

Churches were given more leeway because of the religious aspect. And a great many outbreaks were centered around churches.
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Sorry. Not allowed to respond because.. “here we go again”…
 
Phatguysrule said:
Trump's rallies didn't have many mask wearers who practices social distancing.

Most stores had limits allowed inside, which prevented huge lines. And the lines still had 6ft spacing.

I understand this is another issue in which you don't want to believe, but the facts are pretty indisputable.

The small businesses that were closed down were closed because they were vectors and were not essential.

Small businesses which were essential and were not significant vectors didn't shut down.

Churches were given more leeway because of the religious aspect. And a great many outbreaks were centered around churches.
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who said i don't want to believe? I was asking. I dont remember the timeline of events.
 
Sigh… conversations are soo difficult to have here and i refuse to take all the blame for it because that would simply be incorrect.
 
HailBlazers said:
Here's a easy one, masking young children on planes should not be mandated.

Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly on Wednesday said “masks don’t add much” additional protection against Covid on planes because airborne pathogens are captured by the HEPA filtering system.

Gary Kelly made this statement during a hearing on airline oversight before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee.

“The statistics, I recall, is that 99.97 percent of airborne pathogens are captured by the HEPA [high-efficiency particulate air] filtering system, and it’s turned over every two or three minutes,” Kelly said.

“I think the case is very strong that masks don’t add much, if anything, in the air cabin,” he said. “The environment is very safe, very high quality compared to any other indoor setting.”
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Remind me, where did Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly get medical training?

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
It was mentioned target and Walmart also sell groceries. Im saying there are plenty of grocery only stores that are also more local and not large corps. So people still had places to shop.
following?
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No, not following. First you said mom and pop groceries had to shut down and Target and Walmart were allowed to stay open.

But that wasn't true. The reality is that both small and large grocery stores stayed open.

Now you are saying that Target and Walmart should have been shut down and small groceries should have been allowed to stay open.

So, now you are arguing for application of the mandates in order to punish the large corps in favor of the small ones.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No, not following. First you said mom and pop groceries had to shut down and Target and Walmart were allowed to stay open.

But that wasn't true. The reality is that both small and large grocery stores stayed open.

Now you are saying that Target and Walmart should have been shut down and small groceries should have been allowed to stay open.

So, now you are arguing for application of the mandates in order to punish the large corps in favor of the small ones.

barfo
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i did? Please show me? If i did it was an error. I do not believe i said ma and pa groceries? I believe i said ma and pa stores or businesses?
 
barfo said:
What does that mean? Are you claiming grocery-only stores were shut down? Link?



Right, somehow there was a mandate but it wasn't in writing or in words.

That sounds... silly.



Well, obviously bigger corporations are more likely to have the financial resources to withstand a shutdown.



Right, the government just decided to ruin the economy to... help Walmart and Target???

barfo
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barfo said:
No, not following. First you said mom and pop groceries had to shut down and Target and Walmart were allowed to stay open.

But that wasn't true. The reality is that both small and large grocery stores stayed open.

Now you are saying that Target and Walmart should have been shut down and small groceries should have been allowed to stay open.

So, now you are arguing for application of the mandates in order to punish the large corps in favor of the small ones.

barfo
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no. I didnt . Its even in the quote you quoted me.
Please admit your mistake…
 
Orion Bailey said:
no. I didnt . Its even in the quote you quoted me.
Please admit your mistake…
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Yes, I admit my mistake. I should have said 'mom and pop shops' not 'mom and pop groceries'. My bad.

Now, will you admit that you changed your argument from (paraphrasing) 'the gummint did this to hurt small businesses' to 'the gummint should have done more to hurt big businesses'?

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
knowing stats of air filtration systems requires medical training?
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I think you know there is more to infectious diseases than air filtration.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes, I admit my mistake. I should have said 'mom and pop shops' not 'mom and pop groceries'. My bad.

Now, will you admit that you changed your argument from (paraphrasing) 'the gummint did this to hurt small businesses' to 'the gummint should have done more to hurt big businesses'?

barfo
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Did i say to hurt small businesses? Ever?

i think they did what they thought was the eoght thing to do for al businesses until it hit their stocks and wallets and then drew a line.
Im not sure that is saying the intent was to hurt small businesses as much as it is saying they did what they did for the good but stopped short the moment it hit thier wallet?

if that is what you mean, then i fully admit it.
Otherwise I'm not quite following you?
 
barfo said:
I think you know there is more to infectious diseases than air filtration.

barfo
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Isnt a mask a filtration system? Is there more to diseases than a mask?


I have no clue what diseases an air filtration system can stop.
However i know all air filtration systems are rated for such things at various levels and it wouldn't surprise me if an airline ceo knows what those ratings are on their planes.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Did i say to hurt small businesses? Ever?
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I kinda think you did:

Orion Bailey said:
plus that whole, close schools but not churches.
Close small business but leave large corporations open

the mandates are the issue. Not the science

if the science was followed, large corps like Walmart that have much more traffic, would have been told to close instead of small businesses.

the closures were all financially motivated. Had nothing to do with science…
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Closing small businesses was financially motivated, you said.

Hard to see how that doesn't mean hurting small businesses, unless you think that they would be helped financially by being closed?

i think they did what they thought was the eoght thing to do for al businesses until it hit their stocks and wallets and then drew a line.
Im not sure that is saying the intent was to hurt small businesses as much as it is saying they did what they did for the good but stopped short the moment it hit thier wallet?
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But there is no evidence that they closed down all businesses and later said 'oops, Walmart & Target, you can open back up now, but everyone else stays closed'.

How can you say that "the closures were all financially motivated" and also "i think they did what they thought was the eoght thing to do for al businesses"?

Please reconcile those two statements.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
Isnt a mask a filtration system? Is there more to diseases than a mask?


I have no clue what diseases an air filtration system can stop.
However i know all air filtration systems are rated for such things at various levels and it wouldn't surprise me if an airline ceo knows what those ratings are on their planes.
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If you cough directly in my face, no air filtration system in the world is going to prevent me from being exposed to whatever you are coughing out, unless we are standing in a wind tunnel or maybe on the wing of an airborne plane.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I kinda think you did:



Closing small businesses was financially motivated, you said.

Hard to see how that doesn't mean hurting small businesses, unless you think that they would be helped financially by being closed?



But there is no evidence that they closed down all businesses and later said 'oops, Walmart & Target, you can open back up now, but everyone else stays closed'.

How can you say that "the closures were all financially motivated" and also "i think they did what they thought was the eoght thing to do for al businesses"?

Please reconcile those two statements.

barfo
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If that's how it reads then thats my error.

It was not about punishing small businesses as much as making sure big business isnt affected so their wallets aren't affected.

maybe better for me to say some of the businesses left open were more financially motivated vs following science.
Does that read better?
 
Orion Bailey said:
If that's how it reads then thats my error.

It was not about punishing small businesses as much as making sure big business isnt affected so their wallets aren't affected.

maybe better for me to say some of the businesses left open were more financially motivated vs following science.
Does that read better?
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It reads better, but its still not true.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sorry. It just seemed like you had a point of view and weren't interested in constructively engaging further...

I'll remove that part of the post. My mistake.
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all good. No removal required. Just making sure you know i wasnt trying to make a point as much as clarify timelines.
 
barfo said:
It reads better, but its still not true.

barfo
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well thats your opinion. Never gonna be prove either way really.
I dont think mandates were nefarious as much as some of the lack of mandates were likely, at least partially, financially motivated.
 
Orion Bailey said:
well thats your opinion. Never gonna be prove either way really.
I dont think mandates were nefarious as much as some of the lack of mandates were likely, at least partially, financially motivated.
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Ok. I think we can agree on that - if there were no financial considerations, the lockdowns would have been much stronger and much longer.

barfo
 
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