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tester551 said:
It's not about the real danger.

It's all about the perception that government is there to 'protect' you....
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No it's not. It's all about the danger of even a small percentage of cases requiring hospitalization or resulting in serious complications and death when that percentage is applied to a huge number of cases.

Everything points to the omicron variant producing a tsunami of cases unlike anything we've seen. It's estimated to be 3X more transmissible than delta, and delta was about twice as contagious as earlier variants. From the acceleration in cases in Britain, which leads us by 3-4 weeks in the incidence of omicron, they are already estimating 200K new cases PER DAY, with the possibility of reaching a million new cases PER DAY within a week or two. Most may be very mild and some even asymptomatic, but even a half a percent of serious cases applied to such huge numbers absolutely crushes hospitals and already overtaxed medical staffs when it's applied to numbers that huge.
 
e_blazer said:
No it's not. It's all about the danger of even a small percentage of cases requiring hospitalization or resulting in serious complications and death when that percentage is applied to a huge number of cases.

Everything points to the omicron variant producing a tsunami of cases unlike anything we've seen. It's estimated to be 3X more transmissible than delta, and delta was about twice as contagious as earlier variants. From the acceleration in cases in Britain, which leads us by 3-4 weeks in the incidence of omicron, they are already estimating 200K new cases PER DAY, with the possibility of reaching a million new cases PER DAY within a week or two. Most may be very mild and some even asymptomatic, but even a half a percent of serious cases applied to such huge numbers absolutely crushes hospitals and already overtaxed medical staffs when it's applied to numbers that huge.
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Oh The horror!
 
e_blazer said:
No it's not. It's all about the danger of even a small percentage of cases requiring hospitalization or resulting in serious complications and death when that percentage is applied to a huge number of cases.

Everything points to the omicron variant producing a tsunami of cases unlike anything we've seen. It's estimated to be 3X more transmissible than delta, and delta was about twice as contagious as earlier variants. From the acceleration in cases in Britain, which leads us by 3-4 weeks in the incidence of omicron, they are already estimating 200K new cases PER DAY, with the possibility of reaching a million new cases PER DAY within a week or two. Most may be very mild and some even asymptomatic, but even a half a percent of serious cases applied to such huge numbers absolutely crushes hospitals and already overtaxed medical staffs when it's applied to numbers that huge.
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So am I wrong to assume that if I haven’t had Covid yet, I’ll probably get this variant?
 
ehizzy3 said:
So am I wrong to assume that if I haven’t had Covid yet, I’ll probably get this variant?
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I saw one epidemiologist who broke it into 3 categories:

1. Naïve immune system (not vaccinated and no prior infection) - Almost certain.
2. Fully vaccinated or recent Covid infection) - Highly likely to get infected, low chance of serious disease.
3. Fully vaccinated and boosted - Unlikely to get infected, even less chance of serious disease if you get a breakthrough case.
 
e_blazer said:
I saw one epidemiologist who broke it into 3 categories:

1. Naïve immune system (not vaccinated and no prior infection) - Almost certain.
2. Fully vaccinated or recent Covid infection) - Highly likely to get infected, low chance of serious disease.
3. Fully vaccinated and boosted - Unlikely to get infected, even less chance of serious disease if you get a breakthrough case.
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Thank you.

I got vaccinated in May so it looks like I should be booking that booster shot soon.
 
CDC issues grim forecast warning weekly COVID cases will jump by 55% to 1.3 MILLION by Christmas Day and that deaths will surge by 73% to 15,600 a week as Omicron becomes dominant strain
  • The CDC warns that there will be as many as 1.3 million new COVID-19 cases over the week of Christmas, and a 73% increase in Covid deaths by early January
  • The Omicron COVID-19 variant has been sequenced 241 times in 37 U.S. states, including Washington D.C., as the variant continues to spread nationwide
  • The CDC reported Tuesday that the variant now accounts for 3% of sequenced of cases - a seven-fold increased from last week, although in NY and NJ the variant is believed to be behind 13% of cases
  • It is feared that a 'tidal wave' of Omicron is headed for US shores, with the UK recording its biggest one day case total ever on Thursday- 78,610 - with 10,000 of those cases confirmed as Omicron
  • One of the largest US outbreaks of the Omicron variant to date is believed to have occurred at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, where almost all 930 cases over the past week are believed to be of the variant
  • All of the confirmed Omicron cases in the Cornell University are among people who are fully vaccinated, and some of them are in people who've also had boosters
  • Cases in the U.S. have increased by 46% over the past two weeks, and deaths are up 40% - as the country eclipsed 800,000 total deaths and 50 million total cases earlier this week
  • In the UK, cases continue to grow, though deaths caused by the virus have actually decreased over the past two weeks
  • A recent South African study finds that Omicron spread faster than other virus variants, but is 20% less likely to cause hospitalization
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-cases-jump-55-1-3-MILLION-Christmas-Day.html
 
HailBlazers said:
So effective they had to change the definition of vaccine.
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It's more effective than most vaccines ever have been.

And... The definition update didn't change the meaning. It just modernized it with more scientific terminology.

According to an archived version of the dictionary's website, Merriam-Webster formerly said a "vaccine" was "a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease."

The new definition of "vaccine", published in May, reads: "a preparation that is administered – as by injection – to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease."

The editors changed "artificially increase immunity" to "stimulate the body’s immune response" because they believed it would be more helpful to readers, according to Sokolowski.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...anged-vaccine-definition-accuracy/6354415001/
 
HailBlazers said:
Riight.

CDC Emails: Our Definition of Vaccine is "Problematic" CDC: Problematic Vaccine? No, Problematic Definition of Vaccine.
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I really don’t get this argument. Yes, the definition had to be changed somewhat to accurately include mRNA vaccines. Unlike older technologies that use live attenuated viruses or dead viruses to stimulate the body’s immune response, mRNA vaccines tell cells to produce the proteins that stimulate the response. It’s a newer way of accomplishing the same thing and they have achieved efficacy levels that typical older vaccines can’t match. Is an electric car not a car because it doesn’t have a gasoline engine?
 
calvin natt said:
Booster kicked my ass. Wasn’t expecting it. 3.5 days of feeling like shit. Still glad I did it and many people have zero side effects.
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The AFFECTS/EFFECTS of any vaccine or booster is different with everybody. No different than how people handle drinking for example. Some get crazy ass hangovers after 2 beers, some it takes a case.

My whole FAM got the booster last month. My wife felt a little nauseous for a day, my daughter and I, nothing.
 
THE HCP said:
The AFFECTS/EFFECTS of any vaccine or booster is different with everybody. No different than how people handle drinking for example. Some get crazy ass hangovers after 2 beers, some it takes a case.

My whole FAM got the booster last month. My wife felt a little nauseous for a day, my daughter and I, nothing.
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Your wife always tells me how you feel nothing, FAMS! BAM!
 
e_blazer said:
I really don’t get this argument.
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Its not that hard.

Old-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

New-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
 
HailBlazers said:
Its not that hard. Old-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. New-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
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Oh, well if that’s your issue, there are only a few “vaccines” in the world. Tetanus? Nope, gotta boost every ten years. Flu - every year. Shingles - they estimate 4-5 years. Even some of the old school ones that they thought were forever immunity aren’t. They don’t think the smallpox vaccines that they gave kids before it was pretty much eradicated are still effective. I’ve read the same about polio. Measles, I think, is still considered a lifetime immunity so I guess that’s a vaccine by that definition.
 
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HailBlazers said:
Its not that hard.

Old-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

New-Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
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Yeah, immunity doesn't mean 100%. It never has...

im·mu·ni·ty
/iˈmyo͞onədē/
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noun
the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
"immunity to typhoid seems to have increased spontaneously"
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