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Phatguysrule said:
Anybody who has refused the vaccine should be dropped from insurance immediately or have their insurance rates doubled. They should not be allowed in a hospital until they have been vaccinated.

They can go out to covid tents in the parking garage instead.
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So should obese people.
 
An older coworker of mine (I wouldn't call her obese, but overweight for sure) was nervous about coming into the office after a couple people tested positive for covid. No problem, that makes sense, work from home until you feel safe. Same coworker has a cruise scheduled for next month. What an idiot.
 
royo said:
None.
I mean, people couldn't go to visit their families. Couldn't spend Christmas together. Let alone people dying alone in hospitals, cos you can not visit them.

Of course you couldn't visit your friend for few drinks. It is just like in Persepolis, but it is surely not freedom abuse.

Going out from your home was ok as well, unless they put you on quarantine.

How about freedom of speech. No cases here. They just ban you for missinformation.

You have to show your Kennkarte to visit cinema or restaurant. I don't see the problem here.

There were no significant changes in your freedoms at all.

We can argue about need of those changes, but you can't tell me they are not here.
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Many of those aren't actually enforced, just advice/suggestions. Those that are, we've 'given up' similar 'freedoms' in the past. For example, on misinformation, we gave up our freedom to shout 'fire' in a theater long ago.

You haven't made a case that any of this is more important than any of the other 'freedoms' we have given up. Riding a motorcycle w/o a helmet? Shooting guns off in city limits? Not making our 10-year-olds work to support us?

Did any of those result in a slippery slope into 1984? If not, why should these?

Society has been making rules that restrict your freedom for thousands of years. Freaking out about being encouraged to get a shot because 'freedom' seems wildly out of proportion.

barfo
 
They are talking about changing the CDC guidelines again. 5 days quarantined followed by a negative COVID test.
 
barfo said:
Many of those aren't actually enforced, just advice/suggestions. Those that are, we've 'given up' similar 'freedoms' in the past. For example, on misinformation, we gave up our freedom to shout 'fire' in a theater long ago.

You haven't made a case that any of this is more important than any of the other 'freedoms' we have given up. Riding a motorcycle w/o a helmet? Shooting guns off in city limits? Not making our 10-year-olds work to support us?

Did any of those result in a slippery slope into 1984? If not, why should these?

Society has been making rules that restrict your freedom for thousands of years. Freaking out about being encouraged to get a shot because 'freedom' seems wildly out of proportion.

barfo
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I respect your opinions, barfo, but if you can compare total lockdowns to riding a motorcycle w/o helmet I can compare them to what has happened in 1933 in Europe.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
That's a pretty famous Drag Queen Brunch restaurant/bar in Miami.

This is the recommendation from New York, where she's from:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-face-covering-faq.pdf


In any case, in light of this recent surge, people really shouldn't be partying in bars, inside or out. She represents her district in NY, a place with record COVID-19 infections. She should set the example, stay home and stay masked up, not escape NY to somewhere that is open.



DeSantis welcomes her, though:

“Glad to see AOC enjoying the Florida freedom and sunshine, but it’s sad that school children in NYC are forced to eat lunch outside in freezing temperatures this winter due to the draconian and useless COVID policies pushed by AOC and her fellow progressives,” DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw told The Daily Wire.
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Her mother lives there...she was visiting her mother for the holidays.....just like you didn't stay in LA either...you went to Portland to see family right? If you point the finger you need to also walk the walk my friend.....where I live also the police don't arrest you for not wearing a mask but don't try to fly or go to a Blazer game that way
 
royo said:
I respect your opinions, barfo, but if you can compare total lockdowns to riding a motorcycle w/o helmet I can compare them to what has happened in 1933 in Europe.
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public safety is not racial profiling or genocide so that's not a fair comparison
 
There are few things in the world more utterly revolting than privileged comfortable people, who have never known a day's discrimination or oppression, comparing themselves living with a minor inconvenience to millions of murdered Jews or tens of millions of kidnapped enslaved Black people.
Just puke. Disgusting. Ignorant and arrogant.
 
riverman said:
Her mother lives there...she was visiting her mother for the holidays.....just like you didn't stay in LA either...you went to Portland to see family right? If you point the finger you need to also walk the walk my friend.....where I live also the police don't arrest you for not wearing a mask but don't try to fly or go to a Blazer game that way
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I didn't go to any crowded gatherings/parties with strangers, maskless. I didn't meet up with any friends in Oregon either.

I gave up free floor seats to the Blazers/Lakers game because of the surge. Shit is too wild, AOC is a public figure, she should set a better example. But rules for thee, not for me.

She got caught, and said that people were criticizing her because they want to bang her.

She also tried to dunk on DeSantis, who hadn't been seen in public, but was attending to his wife who has cancer and he took her to get treatment.
 
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royo said:
I respect your opinions, barfo, but if you can compare total lockdowns to riding a motorcycle w/o helmet I can compare them to what has happened in 1933 in Europe.
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I keep seeing anti-vaxxers and the like accusing the other side of manufacturing hysteria and fear-mongering and then keep seeing shit like this... Oh the government wants to track us, we're losing our freedoms, this is just like the rise of the Nazi party... All over a health-care system that provides you a free vaccine for Covid... talk about fear-mongering.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
That's a pretty famous Drag Queen Brunch restaurant/bar in Miami.

This is the recommendation from New York, where she's from:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-face-covering-faq.pdf


In any case, in light of this recent surge, people really shouldn't be partying in bars, inside or out. She represents her district in NY, a place with record COVID-19 infections. She should set the example, stay home and stay masked up, not escape NY to somewhere that is open.



DeSantis welcomes her, though:

“Glad to see AOC enjoying the Florida freedom and sunshine, but it’s sad that school children in NYC are forced to eat lunch outside in freezing temperatures this winter due to the draconian and useless COVID policies pushed by AOC and her fellow progressives,” DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw told The Daily Wire.
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All valid points. They would probably be better received if the title of the tweet you used wasn't obviously lying...
 
royo said:
So should obese people.
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Sorry, but no. Obesity is a much more complicated problem that our government and current Healthcare system contribute to rather than trying to solve.

Our government and Healthcare system have the solution for Covid-19. It takes a total of less than one hour over 7 months and is completely free.

When government gets that serious about solving obesity it will no longer be a problem.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sorry, but no. Obesity is a much more complicated problem that our government and current Healthcare system contribute to rather than trying to solve.

Our government and Healthcare system have the solution for Covid-19. It takes a total of less than one hour over 7 months and is completely free.

When government gets that serious about solving obesity it will no longer be a problem.
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@barfo
 
royo said:
So should obese people.
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Nope. The places where obese people can cause problems for the public are places where the extra weight is an issue for people that also use that function - like amusement park rides, small plane rides etc... - and there are limits for weight over there.

If you want to show equivalency of treatment - user a correct one and you will realize that the same issues you unfairly rail against are already dealt with using the same kinds of "freedom restricting" laws - which means this argument is quite frankly, nonsense.
 
noknobs said:
I keep seeing anti-vaxxers and the like accusing the other side of manufacturing hysteria and fear-mongering and then keep seeing shit like this... Oh the government wants to track us, we're losing our freedoms, this is just like the rise of the Nazi party... All over a health-care system that provides you a free vaccine for Covid... talk about fear-mongering.
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Maybe I should write it clearly.

If lockdown = elephant and
Riding a motorcycle w/o helmet ban is a dog and
Early(!) Hitler is a whale than

Comparing a dog to an elephant is as fair as comparing an elephant to a whale.

Also, some people, like crandc seem to assume that holocaust happend on some Tuesday night, while it actually took years of small steps that society agreed for, cos they where carefully maneged.
History should be used for learning from it, not for crying and boostin your ego with how great human being you are by bravely doing what government says. Which is, btw, how communist and nazist came high - with proud people making statements about puking and being disgusted.
Not mention those great ideas about putting non vaccinated people into the tents on parkings:)
 
andalusian said:
Nope. The places where obese people can cause problems for the public are places where the extra weight is an issue for people that also use that function - like amusement park rides, small plane rides etc... - and there are limits for weight over there.

If you want to show equivalency of treatment - user a correct one and you will realize that the same issues you unfairly rail against are already dealt with using the same kinds of "freedom restricting" laws - which means this argument is quite frankly, nonsense.
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@barfo questions? 500 years?
 
royo said:
History should be used for learning from it, not for crying and boostin your ego with how great human being you are by bravely doing what government says. Which is, btw, how communist and nazist came high - with proud people making statements about puking and being disgusted.
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Okay, dude. Keep fighting the good fight.
 
I do not need royo goysplaining the Holocaust to me. Not now, not ever.
 
royo said:
History should be used for learning from it, not for crying and boostin your ego with how great human being you are by bravely doing what government says. Which is, btw, how communist and nazist came high - with proud people making statements about puking and being disgusted.
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And the victory over Nazism came by people in this country (and others) giving up vastly, vastly more freedoms than getting a vaccine, for a longer period than the current pandemic.
Knee-jerk "I won't do anything the government wants" is not freedom, it's just childishness.
You don't regularly run red lights, even though government is forcing you to stop at intersections. If there was actually an anti-big-brother freedom principle involved, you'd be resisting everything, not just vaccines.

barfo
 
barfo said:
And the victory over Nazism came by people in this country (and others) giving up vastly, vastly more freedoms than getting a vaccine, for a longer period than the current pandemic.
Knee-jerk "I won't' do anything the government wants" is not freedom, it's just childishness.
You don't regularly run red lights, even though government is forcing you to stop at intersections. If there was actually an anti-big-brother freedom principle involved, you'd be resisting everything, not just vaccines.

barfo
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My wife is a late-merger. I am not. Does that make me wrong?
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the Texas A&M bands masks weren't KN-95's

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