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SlyPokerDog said:
Up until two weeks ago the triage protocol from the CDC in our hospitals was if a patient showed up with flu like symptoms and have not been in contact with someone who had been to China it was to be treated as the flu and no additional protocols, included isolation needed to be followed.
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You're very good at non-answers today lol. :)
 
hoopsjock said:
They're literally telling people who are sick to just stay home and are barely testing anyone so how can any "numbers" on this be accurate?
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Numbers to watch are the numbers of people requiring advanced care and hospital admissions and the number of hospital workers getting sick.
 
TBpup said:
Much more food eaten at home, but also much less eaten out so the amount of food is nearly the same.
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Not the same supply chains.

Yes, some restaurants are donating or giving food to employees but that is not ending up on grocery store shelves.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I've ordered more meals honestly, we've had food delivered a lot more because like I said most of the grocery stores don't have much. I don't know where @hoopsjock shops (he's close to me), but the Corntown Fred Meyers is basically empty, the Walmart is mostly empty, the winco in Hillsboro doesn't have much either from what my wife has said. - To be fair she's picky and that could be the problem I havent been there. - Either way our amount of having food delivered has gone way up.
I do have photo's she's sent though of aisles completely empty at all those stores.
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I went to the Hillsboro Winco Monday and they had basically any food that you wanted to buy. Maybe not all the brands but if you wanted something you could get it
 
Lanny said:
Not done with the same intent as the Chinese reference plus it was done quite a while ago and wouldn't be acceptable today. I guess you might say it's politically unacceptable to denigrate people because of their race, religion, ethnicity or sex.
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It can be a 2-way street, as well...


 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Not the same supply chains.

Yes, some restaurants are donating or giving food to employees but that is not ending up on grocery store shelves.
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Of course it's not the same supply chain, but that is fairly easily remedied as I discussed with a trucking/transportation official yesterday. The bigger point was, the amount of food is roughly the same.

A bigger issue is that so many of our meds and medical supplies are made in China. Those we have become much too reliant on and now it could become an issue.
 
ehizzy3 said:
I went to the Hillsboro Winco Monday and they had basically any food that you wanted to buy. Maybe not all the brands but if you wanted something you could get it
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My wife was out this morning. Not sure, just taking her for word. She did text me a few minutes ago she found a store that had good meat, it was quite expensive but she bought it anyways. I hope people can find food and all that.
 
Nobody, including the media, is recommending panic. So arguing that we shouldn't be panicking or that panic is "disproportionate" is obvious--those who are doing things in a panic are acting irrationally. If we're talking about the government responses and actual advice being given, I don't think any of that is irrational or disproportionate. I'm not sure if people understand this is still the early days--the "easy part." If you've ever played around with pandemic simulators, the worst ones are those that are highly infectious, don't kill a lot of people early on, don't even show up in terms of obvious symptoms for every person they infect and yet are lethal to a significant portion of the population. That's a good description of COVID-19. What that implies is that, absent interventions, we'd see a first wave of lots of infections (more than we're aware of) but not a lot of deaths, followed by a second wave of the vast majority of the population getting it and millions upon millions of deaths in every major country. And maybe a third wave of even more deaths.

So while the "numbers" don't seem so scary right now, you kind of have to kill the fly with a missile while it still is just a fly. Because if you don't, it'll become something much, much bigger than you can no longer contain or effectively combat.
 
TBpup said:
And again, nowhere is it mentioned it is an either/or situation. And NO WHERE have I made any post that says that A is worse than B so response to B is not needed. You are way better than that and I'm surprised that would even be suggested. From the beginning, I have suggested context and bigger picture as well as difference in reaction to now versus just as recent as H1N1.

As for hosptials, I just got an update from a Dr with number for C-19 patients.. They have 518 patients nationwide admitted for C-19. That is around 50 per state. Again, context. Not that it won't continue or numbers will go up, but context. That part didn't get answered. Instead, baseless or entirely incorrect statements about what was said.

Happy to have a discussion about real numbers and things that were actually said.
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I haven’t been following your conversation so these comments are only directed at your statement about the number of C-19 patients admitted to US hospitals:

1. The number of admissions doesn’t address the number of people gumming up the ERs because they have symptoms but aren’t sick enough to be admitted.

2. The response to the disease is all about trying to avoid exponential growth in cases so that 518 number doesn’t become 50K in a couple of weeks.
 
Minstrel said:
Nobody, including the media, is recommending panic. So arguing that we shouldn't be panicking or that panic is "disproportionate" is obvious--those who are doing things in a panic are acting irrationally. If we're talking about the government responses and actual advice being given, I don't think any of that is irrational or disproportionate. I'm not sure if people understand this is still the early days--the "easy part." If you've ever played around with pandemic simulators, the worst ones are those that are highly infectious, don't kill a lot of people early on, don't even show up in terms of obvious symptoms for every person they infect and yet are lethal to a significant portion of the population. That's a good description of COVID-19. What that implies is that, absent interventions, we'd see a first wave of lots of infections (more than we're aware of) but not a lot of deaths, followed by a second wave of the vast majority of the population getting it and millions upon millions of deaths in every major country. And maybe a third wave of even more deaths.

So while the "numbers" don't seem so scary right now, you kind of have to kill the fly with a missile while it still is just a fly. Because if you don't, it'll become something much, much bigger than you can no longer contain or effectively combat.
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Ive built panic simulators, but you do realize those are simulators. Ive flown airplanes in simulators no ones letting me fly them home lol.
 
e_blazer said:
I haven’t been following your conversation so these comments are only directed at your statement about the number of C-19 patients admitted to US hospitals:

1. The number of admissions doesn’t address the number of people gumming up the ERs because they have symptoms but aren’t sick enough to be admitted.

2. The response to the disease is all about trying to avoid exponential growth in cases so that 518 number doesn’t become 50K in a couple of weeks.
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Exactly...which means the vast majority of people are not that sick so far. Again, it is about context but that sees to be being missed. Of course we want to stop the growth and spread, but the reaction, the numbers, and the comparison to previous outbreaks like H1N1 are entirely different. Can people imagine how much more it would be all Trump's fault if he'd waited until 100o deaths instead of 40 to declare a national emergency like Obama did? Not that either was entirely right or wrong, but the reaction and histeria to the seperate cases is completely different.
 
I just ordered toilet paper online from Costco.

I feel like I've won the lottery!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I just ordered toilet paper online from Costco.

I feel like I've won the lottery!
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don't celebrate until it arrives. I ordered some stuff to and my conf said it would deliver on "X" day., Then another notice came saying it would be over a week beyond the original date.

Also...How many case did YOU order???? Compounding on the panic are we? ;)
 
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ehizzy3 said:
I went to the Hillsboro Winco Monday and they had basically any food that you wanted to buy. Maybe not all the brands but if you wanted something you could get it
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I was there yesterday, and there was plenty of everything other than pasta, which was a bit picked over. Otherwise, everything looked like normal.
Also visited Trader Joes, it was fine also. I think maybe the panic buyers have filled their garages and spare bedrooms already and we are past that phase.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
don't celebrate until it arrives. I ordered some stuff to and my conf said it would deliver on "X" day., Then another notice came saying it would be over a week beyond the original date.

Also...How many case did YOU order???? Compounding on the panic are we? ;)
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Costco limits you to one case (they don't sell in smaller units) per address.
 
e_blazer said:
I haven’t been following your conversation so these comments are only directed at your statement about the number of C-19 patients admitted to US hospitals:

1. The number of admissions doesn’t address the number of people gumming up the ERs because they have symptoms but aren’t sick enough to be admitted.

2. The response to the disease is all about trying to avoid exponential growth in cases so that 518 number doesn’t become 50K in a couple of weeks.
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I honestly think there's a possibility that things may get so bad that hospitals will be forced to turn away some people and inform them to just go home and hope for the best.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Ive built panic simulators, but you do realize those are simulators. Ive flown airplanes in simulators no ones letting me fly them home lol.
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I'm not suggesting I should be put in charge of the response due to using those simulators. It just gives some perspective about how these things work. It doesn't make someone an expert.
 
yankeesince59 said:
I honestly think there's a possibility that things may get so bad that hospitals will be forced to turn away some people and inform them to just go home and hope for the best.

Hope I'm wrong.
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You are certainly not wrong, that possibility definitely exists.
What the probability is, no one knows for sure. But it's non-zero.

barfo
 
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