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riverman said:
Not until he does the job....he's not leading...he's conducting an endless campaign of insult and denial...sorry mags....trying to be a monarch is not the job description. He just can't handle the truth and we're not in a position to pamper his ego any longer.....I don't think he'll even get close to half the vote in November....we'll see.
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Again, that’s your observation. I guess we will find out in the polls in November. I’m willing to bet big money Trump wins by a landslide using all the same meta that was used in 2016. It’s not even close.
 
magnifier661 said:
Sorry, your moral outrage doesn’t work with me. I don’t use that same logic with having my family driving a car or flying or anything that risks death. I don’t live in fear.

yeah, it would suck badly if someone close to me dies from this virus, just as badly as it would suck if a family member dies in a car accident. But I’m not going to force my family or friends to stop driving because I don’t want them to die.
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How does that compare to the virus?...I can understand the point you're trying to make but IMO, that wasn't the best way to prove it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
How does that compare to the virus?...I can understand the point you're trying to make but IMO, that wasn't the best way to prove it.
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The comparison is that there is risk of death every time you drive. Just as there is always risk to be infected by a virus. Would it be better if I used an influenza infection?
 
magnifier661 said:
Refusing to drive a car because you don’t want to die in a car accident negates the benefit of getting to point “A” to point “B” faster. But taking reasonable steps like, driving safe, making sure you have your seat belt on reduces the chance of dying in a car crash.
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magnifier661 said:
The comparison is that there is risk of death every time you drive. Just as there is always risk to be infected by a virus. Would it be better if I used an influenza infection?
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This is a ridiculous false equivalence.

24000 Americans have died. 600000 have tested positive, for a mortality rate of 4%.

As per your analogy of driving on the roads now == having an infection, 4 out of every 100 drivers are not being killed every time they set out on the roads.
 
illmatic99 said:
This is a ridiculous false equivalence.

24000 Americans have died. 600000 have tested positive, for a mortality rate of 4%.

As per your analogy of driving on the roads now == having an infection, 4 out of every 100 drivers are not being killed every time they set out on the roads.
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Wait, so thousands dying at a lower mortality rate doesn’t compare to thousands dying from a higher mortality rate? And, I’m pretty sure most in here agree that we haven’t tested enough. Also, there is reported 30-50% of asymptomatic infected that isn’t documented (I.e. Dr. Fauci’s statement on a previous briefing).

edit: article to support the asymptomatic making it hard to test. https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/covid-19/asymptomatic-carriers-covid-19-make-it-tough-target
 
magnifier661 said:
Wait, so thousands dying at a lower mortality rate doesn’t compare to thousands dying from a higher mortality rate? And, I’m pretty sure most in here agree that we haven’t tested enough. Also, there is reported 30-50% of asytematic infected that isn’t documented (I.e. Dr. Fauci’s statement on a previous briefing).
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And that is the point. Unless we have tested everyone or a close representation of the true overall population, there is NO WAY to know the true R0 or the mortality rate. We all are smart enough to know it isn't 4%. But is it 0.1% or 0.5%? It matters that we know the true number.

And whose fault is it that tests are not more readily available?
 
magnifier661 said:
Wait, so thousands dying at a lower mortality rate doesn’t compare to thousands dying from a higher mortality rate? And, I’m pretty sure most in here agree that we haven’t tested enough. Also, there is reported 30-50% of asytematic infected that isn’t documented (I.e. Dr. Fauci’s statement on a previous briefing).
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The 4 percent is bullshit and everyone knows it.
 
illmatic99 said:
And that is the point. Unless we have tested everyone or a close representation of the true overall population, there is NO WAY to know the true R0 or the mortality rate. We all are smart enough to know it isn't 4%. But is it 0.1% or 0.5%? It matters that we know the true number.

And whose fault is it that tests are not more readily available?
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CDC & FDA?
 
illmatic99 said:
And that is the point. Unless we have tested everyone or a close representation of the true overall population, there is NO WAY to know the true R0 or the mortality rate. We all are smart enough to know it isn't 4%. But is it 0.1% or 0.5%? It matters that we know the true number.

And whose fault is it that tests are not more readily available?
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We can blame the Trump Admin for your fancy. It’s all moot since this pandemic has exposed every country and their inability to test properly.
 
magnifier661 said:
We will soon find out. Trump still has a 96% (higher than he had back in November 2016) approval with Republicans and his independents approval is much higher than what he had back in November 2016.

also, enthusiasm for Trump is at 56%, which is higher than 2016, while Biden’s enthusiasm is at a low 26% (Hillary had a 64% enthusiasm back in 2016).
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I have seen numbers not even close to what you are posting. I wouldn't count your eggs before they hatch. trump won because nobody knew what kind of politician he would be. Now everyone knows and majority of people aren't happy. Of course you always have voter suppression and out of country interference on your side,
 
illmatic99 said:
Was your mother able to find a test? Does it not bug you that it wasn't readily available?
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It does bug me. But I'm not going to look at irrational reasoning as an excuse to point fingers.

If I wanted to point fingers I would go back to previous admins that didn't start a stock pile of medical/emergency supplies years ago when it was evident we would be in a serious shortage, should something like this actually happen.

But i'm not going to point fingers, because I do not believe the government and the President have that power. Sometimes shit happens and it sucks for everyone. Everyone.

Regarding an actual test for this virus. I have no proof, guarantee, or even belief that, lets say Trump closed things quicker, that would have provided the ability for my mother to be tested. Furthermore, I find it irrational to even state otherwise as a fact. (not saying you are)

There is no proof my mother would have been tested if things were done differently.

Ill blame Trump for not trying to be more inclusive in his speeches. Ill blame Trump for not trying to kill the continual divide in this country, as I believe a President is a figure we look to for solidarity and leadership.

I wont blame Trump for something as massively out of his control overall. Human behavior is to explore. Since the beginning of time.

I also don't blame Trump for all the idiots who still socialized after being advised not to.

I have to go back to my previous statement that the more we rely on the gov. the more we ar doomed to be disappointed and have a total system failure.

Gov. should be limited and we should rely on our selves more and try harder to do the right thing for ourselves and those who surround us rather than be fixated on things out of our control.



You are a model individual people should look up to and I understand your emotions being on the front line. I just don't think they are impartial emotions is all.
 
CupWizier said:
I have seen numbers not even close to what you are posting. I wouldn't count your eggs before they hatch. trump won because nobody knew what kind of politician he would be. Now everyone knows and majority of people aren't happy. Of course you always have voter suppression and out of country interference on your side,
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I would love to see those numbers. Please share.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Now Trump's trying to start a fight with the governor's because he wants to have the power.
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it's distraction. He needs "enemies" to dangle in front of his red-meat base. That's why he's always yapping about the media. He would likely welcome a fight with several Democratic governors. Those libs again. Meanwhile, everybody would be talking about executive over-reach and constitutional limits rather than focusing on trump's incompetence during this pandemic
 
magnifier661 said:
Sorry, your moral outrage doesn’t work with me. I don’t use that same logic with having my family driving a car or flying or anything that risks death. I don’t live in fear.

yeah, it would suck badly if someone close to me dies from this virus, just as badly as it would suck if a family member dies in a car accident. But I’m not going to force my family or friends to stop driving because I don’t want them to die.
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If you knew there was something wrong with the car you would
 
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