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magnifier661 said:
To not be China’s shill
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Oh, Trump wants that job all for himself?

Throughout the early weeks of coronavirus, Trump repeatedly praised China’s handling of coronavirus. Importantly, this praise was central to advancing the argument that Trump had totally beaten down coronavirus with merciless force and efficiency: Trump kept insisting he was successfully collaborating with China to defeat it.

Yet, at around that same time, Biden was warning against taking China’s assurances about coronavirus at face value.

The contrast is clear. On Feb. 25, Trump said that China was “working very, very hard” to contain coronavirus, adding that “they’re getting it more and more under control,” which led Trump to conclude that for the United States, coronavirus was a “problem that’s going to go away.”

Trump repeated this sentiment the next day, claiming that because of collaboration with China, coronavirus is not “getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”

By contrast, on Feb. 26, Biden directly rebutted this line, saying: “I would not be taking China’s word for it. I would insist that China allow our scientists in to make a hard determination of how it started, where it’s from, how far along it is.”

Biden had voiced that same sentiment the day before, insisting that he would “insist, insist, insist” that China show more transparency about what was going on with coronavirus.

This pattern persisted throughout the early weeks, with Trump repeatedly praising China’s handling of it and confidently claiming China had it under wraps.

What’s important here is that Trump’s repeated insistence that China had coronavirus under control was absolutely central to Trump’s own downplaying of coronavirus, and to his suggestion that he had it under control — and that it wasn’t a problem here.

By contrast, throughout this same period, Biden repeatedly said we should take coronavirus far more seriously, demanding that Trump let experts take over the response.

We now know who was right about all of this, and his name isn’t Donald J. Trump.
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barfo
 
barfo said:
Changing their policy to what?

barfo
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oh come on, we know the canned response. Maybe they will and maybe they won't. We'll just have to wait and see (imagine arms and hands flailing while babbling)
 
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wizenheimer said:
OK...if you were stranded on a desert island because of coronavirus, who would you rather be stranded with:

Ginger or Mary Ann

Daenerys or Sansa

Rosario Dawson or Michele Rodriguez

Miley Cyrus or Jewel

Roseanne Barr or Rosie O'Donnell

Mr. Ed or Flicka
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Mary Ann
Daenerys
?
Jewel
Neither
Mr. Ed
 
yankeesince59 said:
Why would they change their "policy"....they don't do politics.
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Every corporation, organization or government have “policies.” If you like, you can look at the “Articles of Incorporation and bylaws” of corporate documents.
 
magnifier661 said:
Every corporation, organization or government have “policies.” If you like, you can look at the “Articles of Incorporation and bylaws” of corporate documents.
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That stands to reason for corporations who need to show a profit for their share holders, but again, the WHO doesn't "play politics."...why would they ?

And the WHO is not a corporation, they are instead a specialized agency.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Are you referencing the tariffs that ultimately end up hurting the American consumer?
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Yep, the same tariffs that forced China to come to the table and negotiate the first trade deal. Maybe they follow through with that deal, maybe not. The tariffs still haven’t been lifted until phase 2 is reached.

I mean we are currently trillions in the hole right now with this pandemic. A lot of our supply chain problems happened while the US was shut down with a lot of commerce between US and China. They even threatened to stop sending us valuable medication sometime in February.
 
magnifier661 said:
Yep, the same tariffs that forced China to come to the table and negotiate the first trade deal. Maybe they follow through with that deal, maybe not. The tariffs still haven’t been lifted until phase 2 is reached.

I mean we are currently trillions in the hole right now with this pandemic. A lot of our supply chain problems happened while the US was shut down with a lot of commerce between US and China. They even threatened to stop sending us valuable medication sometime in February.
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The Chinese agreed to small concessions that will actually benefit them some even in the short term. In the long term China wins that deal. Trump got his face value with a deal, but he didn't win anything. He hurt American consumers.
 
Chris Craig said:
Ah guidance


Look at that, Trump wants to issue suggestions. So much for complete power.
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I think even Trump supporters knew he was full of shit regarding that. Even I tried searching for any possible reasoning and couldn’t find any supporting data.
I did find a major overreach with emergency powers that scared the shit out of me though.
 
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Donald Trump abandons fantasy that he calls the shots and says individual governors will decide on when to reopen economy - claiming some will get going BEFORE May 1
  • President Trump abandoned his push for 'total authority' to reopen the country
  • Said he would leave the decision in the hands of the individual governors
  • 'The governors are going to be running their individual states,' Trump said
  • Earlier Trump called any governor who resisted his 'total authority' a mutineer
  • President threatened to withhold coronavirus aid
  • 'A good old fashioned mutiny every now and then is an exciting and invigorating thing to watch, especially when the mutineers need so much from the Captain'
  • Trump tweet came after Andrew Cuomo called him 'schizophrenic' for claiming he has 'total authority' over the states to reopen the United States
  • 'It makes no sense. It is schizophrenic,' Cuomo told CNN
  • New York governor said he would refuse an order from Trump to reopen his state and said he would take the matter to the courts to decide
  • 'We would have a constitutional challenge between the state and the federal government and that would go into the courts,' Cuomo said
  • In a heated press conference inside the White House on Monday evening, Trump asserted that his office holds 'absolute power' over the states
  • 'The president of the United States calls the shots,' Trump said
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dividual-governors-decide-reopen-economy.html
 
Chris Craig said:
The Chinese agreed to small concessions that will actually benefit them sone even in the short term. In the long term China wins that deal. Trump got his face value with a deal, but he didn't win anything. He hurt American consumers.
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Not sure I agree with that.

the world leaders really dropped the ball with China. And I’m not talking Obama only. This dates back to the early 90s and multi-national leaders. They should of never allowed a “Bad Actor” the ability to be the second largest economy.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not sure I agree with that.

the world leaders really dropped the ball with China. And I’m not talking Obama only. This dates back to the early 90s and multi-national leaders. They should of never allowed a “Bad Actor” the ability to be the second largest economy.
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China's economy will only grow after this. They are a highly innovation led economy. Concessions like tightening property rights only helps them. They can keep their innovations secret and open up their economy to foriegn investment without worry.

So what, Trump got them to buy more us goods and to pay some tariffs. He is thinking short term, what he thinks will make him look good now. China is focused on the long game.
 
What is one rationale reason for ending funding to the WHO now? This is just petty politics.

He needs to place the blame on someone and found a random reason to blame the WHO, and cutting funding is his punishment. All he cares about are optics. Remember the impeachment? He only wanted an interview on CNN about the investigation-- not the actual investigation.

Kick his ass out now.
 
illmatic99 said:
What is one rationale reason for ending funding to the WHO now? This is just petty politics.

He needs to place the blame on someone and found a random reason to blame the WHO, and cutting funding is his punishment. All he cares about are optics. Remember the impeachment? He only wanted an interview on CNN about the investigation-- not the actual investigation.

Kick his ass out now.
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I don’t know. Let’s ask CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html
 
Or maybe this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cold...outbreak-global-health-emergency-who-n1121171

“Now is not the time. It’s too early to consider that this event is a public health emergency of international concern,” Didier Houssin, chair of the WHO emergency committee, said during a news conference from Geneva.

Houssin said the decision is based on the limited number of cases worldwide, as well as efforts in China to try to contain the disease.

“Make no mistake, this is an emergency in China,” said WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. “But it is not yet a global health emergency.”
 
I fully support Trump defunding WHO if the USA is prepared to step in and supply medical equipment, quidence, and personnel to areas of the world that are in need and can not provide it for themselves.
 
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