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wizenheimer said:
anyway, on the lab vs nature debate:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

(that's a pretty technical read)

"Their conclusion was that the virus behind COVID-19 did not originate from “laboratory manipulation.” Not only is the way that the actual virus attaches quite different from the way that might be expected of a human-designed pathogen, it also has none of the fingerprints that would almost certainly remain after manipulation with any known laboratory tool. Instead, researchers concluded that the virus was generated either entirely inside an animal host before making the leap to humans, or that it made the leap to humans first, then evolved to become more effective at human-to-human transmission. The conclusion was that they don’t know. The only thing they could definitely show was that it was not generated in a lab."

I'm still not sure it makes any difference, one way or the other. That Wuhan lab is kind of similar to the CDC in intent and purpose. If Chinese epidemiologists and doctors were incompetent and let a virus escape is one possibility. The wet market seems to be the other possibility. I'm inclined to say the wet market is a more condemn-able source because it's such a large sin of ignorance and callousness. The Chinese government knows those markets should be shut down and they've known that for years
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I think the new reports were that the lab studied the natural pathogen and one of their lab workers accidentally got infected.

The head scratching was the idea the virus started in the Wuhan Wetmarkets, yet that market didn’t sell the bats in question. Could be the reason why they opened that wet market back up just recently. Could show signs that China knew that market wasn’t the cause.
 
Covid-19 wipes out the last 11 years of job creation:

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I don't think I've ever seen a graph spike like that

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coro...nitial-jobless-claims-april-11-192401571.html

they are now talking about flattening the curve for unemployment claims. I guess flattening the curve will be part of the new lexicon. A couple of years from now we'll be talking about flattening the curve of Blazer opponent 3pt FG% in the Stotts defense

also:

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looking at that map, it's pretty obvious that the economies of the 'open' states aren't enough to make a difference for the national economy. No wonder trump is thrashing around and threatening all kinds of nuclear options
 
wizenheimer said:
Covid-19 wipes out the last 11 years of job creation:

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I don't think I've ever seen a graph spike like that

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coro...nitial-jobless-claims-april-11-192401571.html

they are now talking about flattening the curve for unemployment claims. I guess flattening the curve will be part of the new lexicon. A couple of years from now we'll be talking about flattening the curve of Blazer opponent 3pt FG% in the Stotts defense

also:

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looking at that map, it's pretty obvious that the economies of the 'open' states aren't enough to make a difference for the national economy. No wonder trump is thrashing around and threatening all kinds of nuclear options
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Yep, very depressing.
 
The more I read the more it seems this thing isn't going away.

I say end of the month and everything should be open. Keeping people from different states out isn't going to do anything and keeping international travel stopped isn't going to do anything.

Destroying the economy to stop something we can't seems like a waste to me. How long do you think we can do this, years?

There will be riots in a few months. Wait and see.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
The more I read the more it seems this thing isn't going away.

I say end of the month and everything should be open. Keeping people from different states out isn't going to do anything and keeping international travel stopped isn't going to do anything.

Destroying the economy to stop something we can't seems like a waste to me. How long do you think we can do this, years?

There will be riots in a few months. Wait and see.
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Poverty will make people do desperate things. It’s the #1 world killer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2013/06/01/towards-the-end-of-poverty

Poverty is associated with 4% of all US deaths in this study.
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/pu...verty-lack-education-and-other-social-factors
 
Its not going to matter when we open, the virus will continue to spread, it's just it would be nice to have some treatment till we get a vaccine. Plus if we can keep it down some we wont overrun the hospitals.
My thing is, we don't want to tear the house down, in order to save it, at some realistic point we need to open thing up.
 
magnifier661 said:
I think the new reports were that the lab studied the natural pathogen and one of their lab workers accidentally got infected.

The head scratching was the idea the virus started in the Wuhan Wetmarkets, yet that market didn’t sell the bats in question. Could be the reason why they opened that wet market back up just recently. Could show signs that China knew that market wasn’t the cause.
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It's quite the coincidence the plot to Contagion suddenly happened in real life
 
Chris Craig said:
It's quite the coincidence the plot to Contagion suddenly happened in real life
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Yeah, it’s almost like a damn Hollywood movie. I think the epidemic medical community are worried this will shut down labs (only my opinion), which maybe the reason for resisting to support this story.

I don’t know why they’re worried. Their labs weren’t the one that accidentally released this.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
The more I read the more it seems this thing isn't going away.

I say end of the month and everything should be open. Keeping people from different states out isn't going to do anything and keeping international travel stopped isn't going to do anything.

Destroying the economy to stop something we can't seems like a waste to me. How long do you think we can do this, years?

There will be riots in a few months. Wait and see.
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we have such poor perspectives in this country right now. No patience at all

we've been in covid-lockdown for a month. That's it. One measly month. The great depression lasted for 10 years...10 long fucking years; and they had the dust bowl in the middle of it. And from that, we had about an 18 month recovery and then went into 4 years of WW2. From 1929 thru 1945. That's nearly 200 months and the country held together and came out the other end stronger. But our current society and politics are fractured and failing after a month

we are still struggling to understand the virus. We don't have any widely effective treatments. We don't know the actual rate of infections because of massive, repeated, and predictable testing failures. We don't know if people can be re-infected because they don't produce enough anti-bodies; which in turn means we don't know if there will be effective herd immunity. We don't even know how long an effective vaccine will take. We've been caught with out pants down and they are still wrapped around out ankles

yet, a sizable number of people want to say fuck-it and reopen the economy even though we have no damn clue what that would mean, but all the educated guesses say it would be a disaster. Continuing the lockdown isn't just about flattening the curve. It's also about gathering enough data to be able to set intelligent policies while re-opening parts of the economy in a diligent fashion.

just saying "a month is long enough" because we're frustrated or the clown in the white house is worried about re-election is the opposite of intelligent and diligent
 
wizenheimer said:
Covid-19 wipes out the last 11 years of job creation:

View attachment 30804

I don't think I've ever seen a graph spike like that

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coro...nitial-jobless-claims-april-11-192401571.html

they are now talking about flattening the curve for unemployment claims. I guess flattening the curve will be part of the new lexicon. A couple of years from now we'll be talking about flattening the curve of Blazer opponent 3pt FG% in the Stotts defense

also:

View attachment 30805

looking at that map, it's pretty obvious that the economies of the 'open' states aren't enough to make a difference for the national economy. No wonder trump is thrashing around and threatening all kinds of nuclear options
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Good food producers though!
 
magnifier661 said:
Yeah, it’s almost like a damn Hollywood movie. I think the epidemic medical community are worried this will shut down labs (only my opinion), which maybe the reason for resisting to support this story.

I don’t know why they’re worried. Their labs weren’t the one that accidentally released this.
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Your claiming multiple labs released this virus?
 
wizenheimer said:
we have such poor perspectives in this country right now. No patience at all

we've been in covid-lockdown for a month. That's it. One measly month. The great depression lasted for 10 years...10 long fucking years; and they had the dust bowl in the middle of it. And from that, we had about an 18 month recovery and then went into 4 years of WW2. From 1929 thru 1945. That's nearly 200 months and the country held together and came out the other end stronger. But our current society and politics are fractured and failing after a month

we are still struggling to understand the virus. We don't have any widely effective treatments. We don't know the actual rate of infections because of massive, repeated, and predictable testing failures. We don't know if people can be re-infected because they don't produce enough anti-bodies; which in turn means we don't know if there will be effective herd immunity. We don't even know how long an effective vaccine will take. We've been caught with out pants down and they are still wrapped around out ankles

yet, a sizable number of people want to say fuck-it and reopen the economy even though we have no damn clue what that would mean, but all the educated guesses say it would be a disaster. Continuing the lockdown isn't just about flattening the curve. It's also about gathering enough data to be able to set intelligent policies while re-opening parts of the economy in a diligent fashion.

just saying "a month is long enough" because we're frustrated or the clown in the white house is worried about re-election is the opposite of intelligent and diligent
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Apples to oranges.

Commodities were not the same. Lifestyles were not the same. Right or wrong, Americans are much more dependent on the economy now, than they used to be merely by the fact that more people were do it yourselfers back then compared to now.
...If I cant fix it with my laptop(google), I need to call for help....

Completely different times and the only thing that really brought us out of the great depression was getting involved in the war and turning MFGs into war factories(not saying it was a bad thing).
 
magnifier661 said:
I don’t think this has anything to do with Republicans. This guy would never vote Republican. But he may not vote Democrat either. That takes away votes too.
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Looking through his history of tweets, it appears he's simply not a fan of the Democratic party. There have always been black people who don't like the Democratic party--Democrats have never won 100% of the black vote and there are black conservatives. Finding one black person who "may not vote Democratic" isn't all that remarkable.
 
magnifier661 said:
I don’t think this has anything to do with Republicans. This guy would never vote Republican. But he may not vote Democrat either. That takes away votes too.
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How do you know he wouldn't vote Republican? I'm just saying the Democrats have done more for African Americans than the Republicans ever will. The idea of reparations have been talked about and it is probably only a matter of time before they happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it is something that would be considered once the Dems win back the Senate.
 
Chris Craig said:
How do you know he wouldn't vote Republican? I'm just saying the Democrats have done more for African Americans than the Republicans ever will. The idea of reparations have been talked about and it is probably only a matter of time before they happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it is something that would be considered once the Dems win back the Senate.
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He is staunchly against Republicans. I would even be confident those that follow him feel the same way.
 
Minstrel said:
Looking through his history of tweets, it appears he's simply not a fan of the Democratic party. There have always been black people who don't like the Democratic party--Democrats have never won 100% of the black vote and there are black conservatives. Finding one black person who "may not vote Democratic" isn't all that remarkable.
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He is not just one man. He has major influence with a lot of Black Americans. Look at his followers and the responses by his followers. It’s a pretty big demographic
 
magnifier661 said:
He is not just one man. He has major influence with a lot of Black Americans. Look at his followers and the responses by his followers. It’s a pretty big demographic
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Yeah, the Democrats tend to win between 85-92% of the black vote. 8-15% of the electorate (black voters who don't vote Democratic) is significant. There have always been black people (influential and otherwise) who claim that the "real racists" are the Democrats. I guess I'm not seeing the special significance to this, that hasn't been there for generations.
 
magnifier661 said:
He is not just one man. He has major influence with a lot of Black Americans. Look at his followers and the responses by his followers. It’s a pretty big demographic
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I am confident that the majority of African Americans will vote Democrat in November...as long as they are allowed to vote by the Republicans.
 
some of these fucking talking heads are so far gone it's unbelievable.

who the fuck is Dr. Oz???

* "Dr. Oz said, "First, we need our mojo back. let's start with things that are really critical to the nation where we think might be able to open without getting in trouble."

* "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in the Lancer arguing the opening of schools may only cost is 2- 3% in terms of total mortality and that's - any life is a life lost, " he said.

* Dr. Oz continued, "But to get every child back into a school where they're safely being educated, being fed and making the most out of their lives with the theoretical risk to the backside might be a trade-off some folks would consider."

yeah, I know it's a far left website but the 1 minute video is from fox news

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/dr-oz-want-schools-reopen-because-only-2-3

in other words, if schools reopen and 5 million children get covid, 100,000-150,000 dead children is an "appetizing opportunity". Is this guy insane?
 
Dr. Oz is a huckster who got sued for peddling random supplements as solutions to things they have no proven effect on.
 
wizenheimer said:
some of these fucking talking heads are so far gone it's unbelievable.

who the fuck is Dr. Oz???

* "Dr. Oz said, "First, we need our mojo back. let's start with things that are really critical to the nation where we think might be able to open without getting in trouble."

* "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in the Lancer arguing the opening of schools may only cost is 2- 3% in terms of total mortality and that's - any life is a life lost, " he said.

* Dr. Oz continued, "But to get every child back into a school where they're safely being educated, being fed and making the most out of their lives with the theoretical risk to the backside might be a trade-off some folks would consider."

yeah, I know it's a far left website but the 1 minute video is from fox news

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/dr-oz-want-schools-reopen-because-only-2-3

in other words, if schools reopen and 5 million children get covid, 100,000-150,000 dead children is an "appetizing opportunity". Is this guy insane?
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As a teacher, a father, and a human being that disgusts me
 
I think the faster people understand that the new normal is different from normal, the better.

Schools will reopen (probably next year) - but I suspect it will be in a different form, in CA they are talking about dividing the attendance - for example, 9th, 10th grades in the morning, 11th, 12th in the afternoon with a lot more space between kids, temperature checks every morning, much different PE classes etc...

The same is probably going to happen in a lot of work areas, where people will do a lot more work from home stuff - and they need to restructure the physical offices / clocking in etc...

There will obviously be a lot more sterilization of work areas.

The right thing is to rush and understand how this will be done, instead of rushing to reopen as usual - which is just a disaster in the making until effective vaccines and cures are easily available.

It is important to be quick, but be smart about it. Unfortunately, most of our leadership was slow on the important stuff and now want to err on being quick where they should not.
 
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