OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (2 Viewers)

[Strenuus]

Dogs might be able to sniff out the coronavirus

Dogs might join the good fight to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in humans–especially for those who are symptom free, according to a team of researchers.

Due to the urgent need of coronavirus testing, preparations to intensively train dogs to detect asymptomatic carries of the virus have started and could be ready in six weeks, according to the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

“It’s very early stages,” says James Logan, head of LSHTM’s Department of Disease Control.

“We know diseases have odors — including respiratory diseases such as influenza — and that those odors are in fact quite distinct. There is a very, very good chance that Covid-19 has a specific odor, and if it does I am really confident that the dogs would be able to learn that smell and detect it.”

Dogs have a highly developed sense of smell and are able to sniff out subtle changes in skin temperature –they already are used to diagnosis various medical conditions in humans like malaria, diabetes, Parkinson’s disease and cancer.

The LSHTM has even trained Labradors and cocker spaniels to detect malaria–by sniffing.

“Our previous work demonstrated that dogs can detect odors from humans with a malaria infection with extremely high accuracy — above the World Health Organization standards for a diagnostic,” said Logan in a press release.

If the project is successful, dogs will be able supplement ongoing testing by screening for the virus accurately and could “triage” 250 people per hour– by the summer in England.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/dogs-might-be-able-to-sniff-out-the-coronavirus/

How's your training going?

 

[Orion Bailey]

This is getting ridiculous. We can't stay locked down for a year or 18 months.

People are everywhere here. I'm working.

@Orion Bailey is right. There isn't any way for 330 million people in this country to survive without our economy. Very few of us can grow our own food even if we knew how.

There will be riots and it will not be pretty.

Let's have a nationwide vote and see what the people think.

Here is the thing and i'm not saying its right or wrong... simply human behavior verified throughout history.

If we are protesting now, how do we think it will be in the fall? Next spring? Its a recipe for disaster for all out civil war and chaos. If people want to freak about something, THIS should be the scenario that is most feared. ( or most welcomed, depending on your mindset)

Now I do see a flipside. A very robotic flipside with no emotions, but its legit in my opinion(though it isn't necessarily my want)

(cue philosophical rant).................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

We are the most spoiled society in human history. Over half our work force and economical expenditures are for leisure time entertainment. Look at the money involved in sports alone. Do we have far too many watering holes and rave clubs around? Would we be more productive in the long run if more of these things were permanently gone, leaving more time and focus on improving ourselves and our surroundings for a better tomorrow, rather than sitting around watching ball games and drinking beer or watching a concert?

When we want to talk about the well being and security of our future, I would think that would include planning and preparing for any eventual outcome our future may entail. Should we not close more entertainment options down and drive that work force into a more production oriented employment, fixated on building for the future?

Is our own freedom of choice to sit on our ass our own eventual downfall? Do we have too many freedoms? Afterall. Its a man made word.

(end rant).....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


At any rate, humans are VERY predictable. This cant last or there will be riots. With riots will come civil unrest which will evolve into civil war. As countries like Iran, NK, China, etc. watch this unfold, don't think they wont be quick to pile on to ensure the demise of our country.


It seems surreal in today's time, but how fragile our world, economy and society is easily forgotten by many.

These Portland protest scuffles that happen... those kids have noooooo idea how safe they currently still are and how those situations could be COMPLETELY different for them without a functioning government...

The very thing they protest against is their own safeguard to not having complete anarchy and having the radical gun owners not wipe them off the face of the earth.

Its hard not to see this cycle spiraling us downward.

 

[Hoopguru]

Perseverance through adversity and troubled times does build fortitude, and coupled together creates strong character.
I believe we will come out of this stronger if we all pull together.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Perseverance through adversity and troubled times does build fortitude, and coupled together creates strong character.
I believe we will come out of this stronger if we all pull together.

And that's the key. Unfortunately, even in here, you see as many people wanting death and destruction to those who disagree with them as you do people striving for compromise and unity. I want to have faith in humanity, but from what I see and read, my faith is fragile.

Sooo much hate for opposing views currently. Its scary.

 

[Hoopguru]

And that's the key. Unfortunately, even in here, you see as many people wanting death and destruction to those who disagree with them as you do people striving for compromise and unity. I want to have faith in humanity, but from what I see and read, my faith is fragile.

Sooo much hate for opposing views currently. Its scary.

Think of what it would be like if we all put politics aside for 2 weeks and focused on positive interaction with people of all types and beliefs.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Think of what it would be like if we all put politics aside for 2 weeks and focused on positive interaction with people of all types and beliefs.

A fantasy I can only dream of. But I do dream big!

 

[Lanny]

Credible link to what?

You explain internal polling to what and I'll explain credible link.

 

[Lanny]

Think of what it would be like if we all put politics aside for 2 weeks and focused on positive interaction with people of all types and beliefs.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Hoopguru]

Where's the fun in that?

I might be weird but I actually enjoy talking and rubbing elbows with people of all kinds as long as there is mutual respect.

 

[Lanny]

I might be weird but I actually enjoy talking and rubbing elbows with people of all kinds as long as there is mutual respect.

You're right. And yes, you're weird but that's another subject.

 

[magnifier661]

You explain internal polling to what and I'll explain credible link.

I’m sorry, can’t reveal that buddy. You can discount it if you don’t believe me.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Florida beaches will start reopening THIS EVENING: Jacksonville becomes first county to start easing restrictions - despite state's RISING COVID-19 infection rate - after Trump handed control to governors with three-phase plan to reopen America

• Beaches in Jacksonville will be among the first in the United States to reopen to the public this evening
• Socially distanced activities such as walking and biking will be permitted - but sunbathing has been banned
• Republican Mayor Lenny Curry said: 'This can be the beginning of the pathway back to normal life'
• Many slammed the decision with coronavirus cases still rising in the state, but others welcomed the move
• It also goes against Trump's re-opening recommendations that cases should have declined for 14 days
• Florida officials were criticized for not closing the beaches during spring break as COVID-19 cases spread
• The state reported a death toll of 668 on Thursday, a 24 hour increase of 54 deaths since Wednesday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229933/Beaches-Florida-start-reopening-EVENING.html

 

[riverman]

Going for a hike with my son and granddogs today...haven't seen them in 5 or 6 weeks.....be really good to see them but still plan to keep safe distance

 

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[Orion Bailey]

Florida beaches will start reopening THIS EVENING: Jacksonville becomes first county to start easing restrictions - despite state's RISING COVID-19 infection rate - after Trump handed control to governors with three-phase plan to reopen America

• Beaches in Jacksonville will be among the first in the United States to reopen to the public this evening
• Republican Mayor Lenny Curry said: 'This can be the beginning of the pathway back to normal life'
• Many slammed the decision with coronavirus cases still rising in the state, but others welcomed the move
• It also goes against Trump's re-opening recommendations that cases should have declined for 14 days
• Florida officials were criticized for not closing the beaches during spring break as COVID-19 cases spread
• The state reported a death toll of 668 on Thursday, a 24 hour increase of 54 deaths since Wednesday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229933/Beaches-Florida-start-reopening-EVENING.html

Socially distanced activities such as walking and biking will be permitted - but sunbathing has been banned


I find this funny.

So in walking and biking on paths there is a large chance of coming closer than 6' of others. However with Sunbathing, you are in a fixed spot that you can choose the distance. But lets ban sitting in place in favor of moving around and possibly passing by infecteds....


Got it. Florida...
@theprunetang

How do you feel about this? Just curious.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump puts himself at the heart of the 'lockdown rebellion' tweeting 'LIBERATE' Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota in broadside at Democratic governors day after saying they 'call the shots'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ors-LIBERATE-Michigan-Virginia-Minnesota.html

 

[MickZagger]

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BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump puts himself at the heart of the 'lockdown rebellion' tweeting 'LIBERATE' Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota in broadside at Democratic governors day after saying they 'call the shots'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ors-LIBERATE-Michigan-Virginia-Minnesota.html

yep, this is our president

such a douchebag

 

[wizenheimer]

there was talk a few days ago here about the possibility that California had a rash of covid infections in December that built some herd immunity. An epidemiologist has attempted to debunk the rumor:










you can follow that link to enlargements of the graphs he uses.

IMO, some of the reason for the chatter about previous herd immunity in the left coast states was to find an explanation other than the measures the states took and the willingness of the citizens in these liberal states to cooperate with state government recommendations

 

[wizenheimer]

Unfortunately, even in here, you see as many people wanting death and destruction to those who disagree with them as you do people striving for compromise and unity. .

wut??

I'm aware of one poster here who said something along those lines in a fever of hyperbolic overstatement. But to conflate that into "people wanting death and destruction to those who disagree with them" is over the top in my view. That sure looks like hyperbole every bit as excessive as what you are condemning

a lot of people here get revved up in the political food-fights that break out all the time, and there's plenty of excessive bullshit pumped out while chasing the best 'last word' or harshest burn. I think it would be a mistake to conflate things said in those heated arguments with anything more than just that

 

[Hoopguru]

This doctors advise seem's sound to me, but Im not a medical professional.

Directives from public health officials to stay home are an effective way of slowing the spread of COVID-19. However, unless we remain socially distanced until an effective vaccine is available, it is only delaying inevitable exposure. The real goal is “herd immunity”’ – sufficient numbers of people in our community immune to COVID-19.

What if we purposefully exposed young and healthy people to the virus? This could be followed by testing for antibodies against COVID-19 to prove immunity. Immune individuals could then be released back into the community since they could no longer spread the illness. This exposure could be done in stages, and at numbers that would not overwhelm our medical system.

Before the varicella vaccine was available, parents would purposefully expose their kids to other kids with chicken pox. After a miserable week of fevers and an itchy outbreak, the child was over the illness and immune from re-infection.

To me, it makes sense to have a set number of young and healthy people purposefully exposed each week (on a voluntary basis). Exposure would be followed by 14 days of quarantine and antibody testing. Such a program could first be tested on those who are lowest risk – healthy, fit people from 20 to 30 years old, followed by people from 30 to 40, and so on. With this approach, we could be building immunity in our community in tandem with slowing the spread. It would also provide a way to more quickly get back to normal life.

Russ Riggs, M.D., Beaverton

 

[BigGameDamian]

We'll see how it goes...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ication&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=509619

Seattle’s major parks will be open this weekend despite coronavirus concerns, but with some new guidelines, mayor announces

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This doctors advise seem's sound to me, but Im not a medical professional.

Directives from public health officials to stay home are an effective way of slowing the spread of COVID-19. However, unless we remain socially distanced until an effective vaccine is available, it is only delaying inevitable exposure. The real goal is “herd immunity”’ – sufficient numbers of people in our community immune to COVID-19.

What if we purposefully exposed young and healthy people to the virus? This could be followed by testing for antibodies against COVID-19 to prove immunity. Immune individuals could then be released back into the community since they could no longer spread the illness. This exposure could be done in stages, and at numbers that would not overwhelm our medical system.

Before the varicella vaccine was available, parents would purposefully expose their kids to other kids with chicken pox. After a miserable week of fevers and an itchy outbreak, the child was over the illness and immune from re-infection.

To me, it makes sense to have a set number of young and healthy people purposefully exposed each week (on a voluntary basis). Exposure would be followed by 14 days of quarantine and antibody testing. Such a program could first be tested on those who are lowest risk – healthy, fit people from 20 to 30 years old, followed by people from 30 to 40, and so on. With this approach, we could be building immunity in our community in tandem with slowing the spread. It would also provide a way to more quickly get back to normal life.

Russ Riggs, M.D., Beaverton

https://www.wired.com/story/sorry-i...-j1HE9EzBFTdB_EaGdmFkXvZtSh1O8_3ase9EUU3cmIaA

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[magnifier661]

Going for a hike with my son and granddogs today...haven't seen them in 5 or 6 weeks.....be really good to see them but still plan to keep safe distance

Have fun! Yeah, one of my neighbors hasn’t seen her grand baby that was just born yet.

 

[Hoopguru]

We'll see how it goes...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ication&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=509619

Seattle’s major parks will be open this weekend despite coronavirus concerns, but with some new guidelines, mayor announces

Props to their Mayor.....We need to do the same thing here with some measurable criteria.

 

[Hoopguru]

https://www.wired.com/story/sorry-i...-j1HE9EzBFTdB_EaGdmFkXvZtSh1O8_3ase9EUU3cmIaA

I read that yesterday....with certain controls imo its worth a try at somepoint ? I just don't think by waiting the virus out for who knows how long is proactive enough.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Florida beaches will start reopening THIS EVENING: Jacksonville becomes first county to start easing restrictions - despite state's RISING COVID-19 infection rate - after Trump handed control to governors with three-phase plan to reopen America

• Beaches in Jacksonville will be among the first in the United States to reopen to the public this evening
• Socially distanced activities such as walking and biking will be permitted - but sunbathing has been banned
• Republican Mayor Lenny Curry said: 'This can be the beginning of the pathway back to normal life'
• Many slammed the decision with coronavirus cases still rising in the state, but others welcomed the move
• It also goes against Trump's re-opening recommendations that cases should have declined for 14 days
• Florida officials were criticized for not closing the beaches during spring break as COVID-19 cases spread
• The state reported a death toll of 668 on Thursday, a 24 hour increase of 54 deaths since Wednesday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229933/Beaches-Florida-start-reopening-EVENING.html

 

[Orion Bailey]

wut??

I'm aware of one poster here who said something along those lines in a fever of hyperbolic overstatement. But to conflate that into "people wanting death and destruction to those who disagree with them" is over the top in my view. That sure looks like hyperbole every bit as excessive as what you are condemning

a lot of people here get revved up in the political food-fights that break out all the time, and there's plenty of excessive bullshit pumped out while chasing the best 'last word' or harshest burn. I think it would be a mistake to conflate things said in those heated arguments with anything more than just that

You could be right and I hope you are, but when all you have to go on is what you read, what else is there?

Also, that one person had said it several times blatantly clearly and had those posts liked by several people if I recall correctly. There have been several others, And dude, I have respect and interact with some outside of here, That have beat around the bush, but insinuated that anyone disagreeing can feel the wrath... so to speak.

yeah, in all fairness, i'm probably over the top, but if I am its only because i've been reading over the top posts that have not been corrected by those individuals.


Lets look at this example.

I have a couple neighbor cats that keep coming over and taunting our indoor cats through the window and our indoor cats are acting up over it. Spraying and what not.
I said the other night to my wife.. " Fuck. I hate cats". Now she, being my wife, KNOWS I don't hate cats and that my frustration is about a few cats, not all.

But if I would have said I hate cats on here, everyone would simply think I hate all cats.

Lack of clarity and explanation leaves to confused and sometimes incorrect assumptions and reactions. However it is not the receiver who should be forced to mind read. Its up to the distributor to clearly identify what he means if he is making blanket statements. Without explanation, you can only take the words for what they are, correct?


Another example. @theprunetang is a great person. I have met him and he is on the up and up and wants the best for everyone. However he has made statements on here that could conflict that knowledge. However having known him, I got the gest of his meaning without thinking it was over the top. However some on here that relationship[ isn't established and until it is, or there is a clear explanation defining a statement... its taken at face value.

Its not up to me to discern who is over the top and who isn't. Its up to those (like i'm admitting here I was probably over the top) to update and clarify any misconstrued opinions)

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

there was talk a few days ago here about the possibility that California had a rash of covid infections in December that built some herd immunity. An epidemiologist has attempted to debunk the rumor:

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you can follow that link to enlargements of the graphs he uses.

IMO, some of the reason for the chatter about previous herd immunity in the left coast states was to find an explanation other than the measures the states took and the willingness of the citizens in these liberal states to cooperate with state government recommendations

I wonder if they can do that here in NV. It was late January when whatever was going around spread.
My boss said he thought he was going to die. Negative for the flu according to him.