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wizenheimer said:
that's not what I'm saying. And there's a giant difference between "unlimited" funding and sufficient funding. For instane, social security could be solvent for the foreseeable future is the cap on taxes was lifted from 130K to 5 million
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Absolutely there is a difference there. I should be more clear and less "attacking" I do not hate the government, I realize that there are things the government does that has importance. I do however have a lot of (I don't know pick a good word here) skepticism towards large government, spending, power, the scope at which waste and corruption can occur un-checked. I tend to think that yes those things can happen and do happen at companies, but it's beyond just bureaucracy and the slow wheels of government. I tend to lean towards local / state governments should have more power and the federal government should have less. I think there is massive government waste when it comes to spending tax dollars, that programs are instituted mainly to make jobs and results don't matter (at least at times).
 
calvin natt said:
Um, because they have thousands of people locked down in tight quarters? Like one family under one roof? Like a cruise ship? And they are all in right quarters and this shows how easy it spreads so maybe we should not be around other people?
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magnifier661 said:
So explain this Los Angeles Study then...
https://abc7news.com/amp/coronavirus-usc-study-antibody-la-county-covid-19/6118034/
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I'm really puzzled by your argument here, mags. Why is 4% infection in LA inconsistent with 70% infection in a prison?

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm really puzzled by your argument here, mags. Why is 4% infection in LA inconsistent with 70% infection in a prison?

barfo
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Not the argument of validating 70% infected are asymptomatic, but that there is a very large possibility that a large population has been infected that isn’t reported. Like hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions.
 
magnifier661 said:
Except, if you actually read the article, the Democrats “Schumer” said they worked with the Administration.
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yes, but that didn't stop trump from using his briefings to blast and blame the democrats. Yes, I have watched the press rallies and if you have then you can't deny that with honesty.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not the argument of validating 70% infected are asymptomatic, but that there is a very large possibility that a large population has been infected that isn’t reported. Like hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions.
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Why are there hundreds of thousands not being reported?
 
magnifier661 said:
Not the argument of validating 70% infected are asymptomatic, but that there is a very large possibility that a large population has been infected that isn’t reported. Like hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions.
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I still don't get your point. Of course there is a large group that is infected and not counted. We don't test enough to know how many, but obviously there are many. It takes weeks before someone is sick enough to go to the hospital in bad enough shape to qualify for testing. And many infected people never get that sick, and thus never get tested. But everyone knows that, don't they?

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
I don't totally disagree with what you are saying, but both both the state and federal government need to play parts in this. Both, have a responsibility to it's people.
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They're both too busy playing the "CYA" game.
 
barfo said:
I still don't get your point. Of course there is a large group that is infected and not counted. We don't test enough to know how many, but obviously there are many. It takes weeks before someone is sick enough to go to the hospital in bad enough shape to qualify for testing. And many infected people never get that sick, and thus never get tested. But everyone knows that, don't they?

barfo
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Doesn’t seem so with many quantifying the mortality rate to the actual number of confirmed cases.

here’s one example:
CupWizier said:
Why are there hundreds of thousands not being reported?
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magnifier661 said:
Doesn’t seem so with many quantifying the mortality rate to the actual number of confirmed cases.
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Well, you can't really do division with a denominator of 'many' or 'a bunch'.

I think it is fair to say that at this point, no one knows what the mortality rate really is. No one knows what the infection rate really is. We need to wait for more data.

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
I think there needs to be a healthy amount of communication between the federal and state, and the state and local. That open communication and networking is how we beat this thing. It is also how we keep citizens properly informed and up to date so we can prevent or at least hinder panic.
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agree as long as the media quits politicizing everything for ratings. They are as bad a Trump with how they try and rile everyone up. Anymore Networks are nothing more than propaganda machines for the DNC or RNC.
 
barfo said:
Well, you can't really do division with a denominator of 'many' or 'a bunch'.

I think it is fair to say that at this point, no one knows what the mortality rate really is. No one knows what the infection rate really is. We need to wait for more data.

barfo
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100%. What we can safely say is the mortality rate “is not” the confirmed cases to the confirmed mortality. That’s been easily debunked.
 
magnifier661 said:
100%. What we can safely say is the mortality rate “is not” the confirmed cases to the confirmed mortality. That’s been easily debunked.
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Sure. Of course, there may be additions to the numerator as well as the denominator.

barfo
 
magnifier661 said:
Doesn’t seem so with many quantifying the mortality rate to the actual number of confirmed cases.

here’s one example:
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lol, an example????

I simply asked you a question to a statement you made. There was no determination or judgement on my part so not sure why you think that's an example of something. You also never answered the question.
 
CupWizier said:
lol, an example????

I simply asked you a question to a statement you made. There was no determination or judgement on my part so not sure why you think that's an example of something. You also never answered the question.
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Using you as an example wasn’t meant to demean you in any way. I would re-read why I used you as an example.
 
Fortunately we're just starting to find out who has immunity to this virus...that's the ground zero for a vaccine. Would be great to know if we're immune....maybe hire some "immune" folks to work in the hot zones with patients as temps, janitors, delivery people, etc....would boost a grocery outlet's biz bigtime if they could say they only hire immune delivery personnel to handle your orders
 
riverman said:
Fortunately we're just starting to find out who has immunity to this virus...that's the ground zero for a vaccine. Would be great to know if we're immune....maybe hire some "immune" folks to work in the hot zones with patients as temps, janitors, delivery people, etc....would boost a grocery outlet's biz bigtime if they could say they only hire immune delivery personnel to handle your orders
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The path to a vaccine is pretty foggy imo. We still haven’t come up with a SARS vaccine yet. I haven’t researched it too much, but summarized: the other SARS illnesses didn’t last long enough to fully develop one.
 
riverman said:
Fortunately we're just starting to find out who has immunity to this virus...that's the ground zero for a vaccine. Would be great to know if we're immune....maybe hire some "immune" folks to work in the hot zones with patients as temps, janitors, delivery people, etc....would boost a grocery outlet's biz bigtime if they could say they only hire immune delivery personnel to handle your orders
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Nobody's "immune." There are confirmed cases of people contracting it twice, and in some cases, the second time hit them harder.
 
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