OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (3 Viewers)

[Orion Bailey]

Wow. Lots of Lamarcus jrs around here. Lol. Anyone overflowing shoes into their storage sheds? Need another building build on site or an addition to the house needed? Lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

This is NOT a ninja outfit.
Just clarifying for those unsure.

 

[Orion Bailey]

View attachment 31162

sexist. I know many female UPS drivers....

 

[Strenuus]

The point is the reporter was dead wrong and he got schooled on national television. It was glorious!

And trump gets schooled on national TV every day and we still have to deal with him for 9 more months.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And trump gets schooled on national TV every day and we still have to deal with him for 9 more months.

and four years. Four years and nine months.
Book it.


Dems Should have focused on something other than trump. Like a better economic package or better foreign affairs policies but this, “anyone but trump”, is sealing it for Trump.
Americans aren't that dumb.
Just treated dumb during election years...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Personal?...hmmm, I find it odd that you automatically assume I was referring to you.

But that's OK...I think I'll just lurk for awhile while gorging on popcorn. Either that, or start a thread about how unfair the mods are.

you think i started that mods are biased thread???

Hahahahaha.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yes, you've never complained about the mods.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes, you've never complained about the mods.

not the same.

 

[magnifier661]

And trump gets schooled on national TV every day and we still have to deal with him for 9 more months.

Not going to derail this thread with a back and forth on why the President will won this November. We can debate it on the old man thread.

 

[lawai'a]

"On April 9, Dr. Anthony Fauci said at a White House briefing that the deaths for the same period until early August "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000." At that point, the 60,000 number gave hope that the disease would not spread like wildfire across America through the spring and summer. It also meant the death rate would slow substantially before the end of April.

On April 22, the Administration suggested a new death total of 66,000 through early August, based on a University of Washington University’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model. That is the most recent official figure issued by the White House.

It is now clear that U.S. deaths will reach 60,000 within a day and the 66,000 figure likely will be surpassed by the end of the week. Unfortunately, there still will be 12 weeks left before the early August date, which is the endpoint of the three estimates."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/bing-covid-19-tracker-report-4-29-2020-6-53-am/ar-BB13mFRI

just a reminder of the death count for those advocating the "don't let the cure be worse than the disease" argument in justifying opening the economy before necessary safeguards and testing and tracing are available.

 

[magnifier661]

https://apple.news/APrSVHgDmQ0OG8ITf8Th-hw

Stocks soar after positive Gilead news on potential coronavirus treatment, Dow up 500 points

Stocks jumped Wednesday on the back of positive data from a potential coronavirus treatment from Gilead Sciences, while investors digested a sharp drop in U.S. economic activity.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average surged 500 points, or 2.1%. The S&P 500 gained 2.4% while the Nasdaq Composite traded roughly 3% higher.

 

[e_blazer]

So, have we decided yet whether the virus is Democrat or Republican?

 

[magnifier661]

So, have we decided yet whether the virus is Democrat or Republican?

Definitely Independent

 

[magnifier661]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-da...-as-deadly-as-we-thought-11587155298?mod=e2fb

New Data Suggest the Coronavirus Isn’t as Deadly as We Thought
A study finds 50 to 85 times as many infections as known cases—meaning a far lower fatality rate.
By
Andrew Bogan

April 17, 2020 4:28 pm ET
Los Altos Hills, Calif.

The Covid-19 shutdowns have been based on the premise that the disease would kill more than two million Americans absent drastic actions to slow its spread. That model assumed case fatality rates—the share of infected people who die from the disease—of 1% to 3%. The World Health Organization’s estimated case-fatality rate was 3.4%.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...k-to-sell-cocktails-to-go.html?outputType=amp

‘We’re not surviving:’ Portland restaurants, bars ask to sell cocktails to-go

 

[Minstrel]

So, have we decided yet whether the virus is Democrat or Republican?

On the one hand, it's hostile to the market and it's keeping police off the street, so that would seem to make it a Democrat--on the other hand, it's harmful to actual people, especially those without money and leading to isolationist policies, so that would seem to make it a Republican.

I think it's a bipartisan committee.

 

[magnifier661]

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...k-to-sell-cocktails-to-go.html?outputType=amp

‘We’re not surviving:’ Portland restaurants, bars ask to sell cocktails to-go

A lot of Restaurants here in California are allowed to sell cocktails with “to-go orders.”

 

[e_blazer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-da...-as-deadly-as-we-thought-11587155298?mod=e2fb

New Data Suggest the Coronavirus Isn’t as Deadly as We Thought
A study finds 50 to 85 times as many infections as known cases—meaning a far lower fatality rate.
By
Andrew Bogan

April 17, 2020 4:28 pm ET
Los Altos Hills, Calif.

The Covid-19 shutdowns have been based on the premise that the disease would kill more than two million Americans absent drastic actions to slow its spread. That model assumed case fatality rates—the share of infected people who die from the disease—of 1% to 3%. The World Health Organization’s estimated case-fatality rate was 3.4%.

Antibody tests support what’s been obvious: Covid-19 is much more lethal than the flu

Results from coronavirus antibody tests have started to trickle in, and they bolster the consensus among disease experts that the virus is significantly more lethal than seasonal flu and has seeded the most disruptive pandemic in the past century.

“I think it is the worst pandemic since 1918,” said Cecile Viboud, an epidemiologist at the National Institutes of Health’s Fogarty International Center, alluding to the “Great Influenza” pandemic that claimed an estimated 675,000 lives in the United States.

Higher infection rates mean lower lethality risk on average. But the corollary is that this is a very contagious disease capable of being spread by people who are asymptomatic — a challenge for communities hoping to end their shutdowns.

The crude case fatality rates, covering people who have a covid-19 diagnosis, have been about 6 percent globally as well as in the United States. But when all the serological data is compiled and analyzed, the fatality rate among people who have been infected could be less than 1 percent.

But as infectious disease experts point out, even a seemingly low rate can translate into a shockingly large death toll if the virus spreads through a major portion of the population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...c215d8-87f7-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

 

[wizenheimer]

"On April 9, Dr. Anthony Fauci said at a White House briefing that the deaths for the same period until early August "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000." At that point, the 60,000 number gave hope that the disease would not spread like wildfire across America through the spring and summer. It also meant the death rate would slow substantially before the end of April.

On April 22, the Administration suggested a new death total of 66,000 through early August, based on a University of Washington University’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model. That is the most recent official figure issued by the White House.

It is now clear that U.S. deaths will reach 60,000 within a day and the 66,000 figure likely will be surpassed by the end of the week. Unfortunately, there still will be 12 weeks left before the early August date, which is the endpoint of the three estimates."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/bing-covid-19-tracker-report-4-29-2020-6-53-am/ar-BB13mFRI

just a reminder of the death count for those advocating the "don't let the cure be worse than the disease" argument in justifying opening the economy before necessary safeguards and testing and tracing are available.

all true, and I've been watching it

in fact, being a stat-head and with no sports to fill my stat-head fix I've spent time bouncing around covid stats pages and looking at the numbers. And at times it makes me feel like a goddamn ghoul. It's not the same as looking at CJ's assist rate or Dame's shooting percentage from 30 feet or more. 60,000 dead in US and 220,000 dead worldwide....and we know both numbers are well below the actual count

Sometime today the death toll will reach 20 times the number of dead on 9-11. None of those people 19 years ago were disposable, and they weren't treated as such. The same should be true of those dead from covid

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3044623001

Coronavirus live updates: US economy shrinks; Fauci warns of 'bad' fall, winter; Remdesivir maker sees positive trial results

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...oronavirus-antibody-tests-terrible/index.html

Coronavirus antibody tests have "really terrible" accuracy, researcher says

 

[magnifier661]

Antibody tests support what’s been obvious: Covid-19 is much more lethal than the flu

Results from coronavirus antibody tests have started to trickle in, and they bolster the consensus among disease experts that the virus is significantly more lethal than seasonal flu and has seeded the most disruptive pandemic in the past century.

“I think it is the worst pandemic since 1918,” said Cecile Viboud, an epidemiologist at the National Institutes of Health’s Fogarty International Center, alluding to the “Great Influenza” pandemic that claimed an estimated 675,000 lives in the United States.

Higher infection rates mean lower lethality risk on average. But the corollary is that this is a very contagious disease capable of being spread by people who are asymptomatic — a challenge for communities hoping to end their shutdowns.

The crude case fatality rates, covering people who have a covid-19 diagnosis, have been about 6 percent globally as well as in the United States. But when all the serological data is compiled and analyzed, the fatality rate among people who have been infected could be less than 1 percent.

But as infectious disease experts point out, even a seemingly low rate can translate into a shockingly large death toll if the virus spreads through a major portion of the population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...c215d8-87f7-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

I don’t think the article I shared said it was less lethal than the flu. The mortality rate is lower, but the infection rate is much much higher.

 

[wizenheimer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-da...-as-deadly-as-we-thought-11587155298?mod=e2fb

New Data Suggest the Coronavirus Isn’t as Deadly as We Thought
A study finds 50 to 85 times as many infections as known cases—meaning a far lower fatality rate.
By
Andrew Bogan

April 17, 2020 4:28 pm ET
Los Altos Hills, Calif.

The Covid-19 shutdowns have been based on the premise that the disease would kill more than two million Americans absent drastic actions to slow its spread. That model assumed case fatality rates—the share of infected people who die from the disease—of 1% to 3%. The World Health Organization’s estimated case-fatality rate was 3.4%.

that study has been criticized by some expert epidemiologists over the last 10 days or so

but more than that is it just isn't credible, IMO. If the mortality rate is around .01%, then with 60,000 dead, that means that 60 million Americans have/had Covid. Does anybody really believe that?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Disbelief as dad-dancing director of VA hospital holds 'coronavirus dance party' with 16 staffers not wearing masks or gloves in small room at Oregon facility where at least five have been infected

• Veteran Affairs officials have dismissed concerns over a recent 'coronavirus dance party' held among leadership at an Oregon medical center
• First obtained by Oregon Live , footage of the party shows director Keith Allen and at least 16 other hospital personnel dancing together in close proximity
• In a blatant disregard for social distancing and safety guidelines, Keith and his staff are seen dancing shoulder-to-shoulder without gloves or masks on
• The Roseburg VA facility has already had at least five confirmed cases of COVID-19, including one staff member who had to be put on a ventilator
• Nationwide, at least 20 VA employees have died, 14 of whom were in non-clinical roles, and 2000 have tested positive for the highly infectious disease
• VA dismissed any concerns, saying all members of staff taking part did so ‘voluntarily’ and said the facility was not required ‘to follow state protocols’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-party-staffers-not-wearing-masks-gloves.html

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Probably should be its own thread as this isn't related to coronavirus.

 

[magnifier661]

that study has been criticized by some expert epidemiologists over the last 10 days or so

but more than that is it just isn't credible, IMO. If the mortality rate is around .01%, then with 60,000 dead, that means that 60 million Americans have/had Covid. Does anybody really believe that?

I think it’s actually highly likely. Seems this virus spreads pretty damn quickly.

It’s okay to be critical of the study. That’s science

 

[wizenheimer]

I think it’s actually highly likely. Seems this virus spreads pretty damn quickly.

It’s okay to be critical of the study. That’s science

then, that's basically 1 in 5 Americans have/had Covid. Like I said, it's not credible to me

 

[e_blazer]

I don’t think the article I shared said it was less lethal than the flu. The mortality rate is lower, but the infection rate is much much higher.

Correct. The issue is that because such a large percentage of the population will get it, even a mortality rate of 0.5-0.6% (based on everyone who gets the virus, not those who have a confirmed diagnosis) would result about a million deaths in the US (330 million x projected 60% infection rate x .005 mortality rate). The flu has a similar mortality rate, but has a far lesser infection rate because so many people get vaccinated each year and because there can be some herd immunity due to there having been similar flu viruses in the past.

 

[magnifier661]

then, that's basically 1 in 5 Americans have/had Covid. Like I said, it's not credible to me

Why? 26 million Americans had the flu last season from November-April. It’s been widely reported Covid is much more contagious than the flu.

 

[magnifier661]

Correct. The issue is that because such a large percentage of the population will get it, even a mortality rate of 0.5-0.6% (based on everyone who gets the virus, not those who have a confirmed diagnosis) would result about a million deaths in the US (330 million x projected 60% infection rate x .005 mortality rate). The flu has a similar mortality rate, but has a far lesser infection rate because so many people get vaccinated each year and because there can be some herd immunity due to there having been similar flu viruses in the past.

Agreed