OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[SlyPokerDog]

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/...avirus-answers.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes

Coronavirus Survivors Want Answers, and China Is Silencing Them
In Wuhan, where the pandemic started, the police have threatened and interrogated grieving relatives. Lawyers have been warned not to help them sue.

 

[crandc]

I have always told Lucia how glad I was she adopted me. Even more so now. It's a hard time although I recognize I have some level of relative privilege, and would be so much harder without her. While all other interactions are limited to voice on phone, picture on screen, or at most store clerk behind mask, she gives companionship. I'm tempted to say "up close and personal" except she's not a person. Is there an equivalent feline word? But also because she is innocent. She doesn't read newspapers. The country is going to hell run by people who are incompetent and malevolent but she has her simple needs and simple pleasures. A garden to play in, a place in the sun, a safe place to nap, a territory for hunting, her saucer of milk in the evening. She is happy. How many are happy these days? My only worry is she is friendly, she has neighbors she visits. We social distance from one another, but they pet her and she rubs their ankles. I don't really think a cat is the most efficient vector for carrying Corona virus between humans but I wish she would be less friendly.

Link to 20 Seconds (Sheed is about 1:30 mark): https://hhph.org/20secondsormore/

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

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[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[wizenheimer]

more on the white house's new projections of 3000 deaths/day by June

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html?referringSource=articleShare

here's a graph of the model they are using:

the red line is the model that gets to 3000 deaths/day. But notice how that same model has consistently under-counted deaths by a significant magnitude

if the blue-dot line continues to track the high end of the intermediate range, instead of 3000/day it could be 9000/day. That seems really extreme though and if we headed toward that states would shut down again

personally, I have no clue where this is headed but I do suspect there will be a spike in the next couple of weeks. I think warmer weather will allow people to naturally achieve social distancing and that will mitigate to some decent level. Again though, I think there's a real chance this will end up as a surge with significant mortality and that could bury the economy even more than it is

this could also be the white house trying to guess high on the death toll in order to justify their policy

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Strenuus]

My write in answer would have been:

Fuck you drunk, I'm not officer.

 

[Strenuus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html

The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.

As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from the coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, significant risks remain. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the Centers for Disease Control warned.

The projections confirm the primary fear of public health experts: that a reopening of the economy will put the nation back where it was in mid-March, when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways as the health care system was overloaded.

“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,” Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.”

On Sunday, Mr. Trump said deaths in the United States could reach 100,000, twice as many as he had forecast just two weeks ago. But his new estimate still underestimates what his own administration is now predicting to be the total death toll by the end of May — much less in the months that follow. It follows a pattern for Mr. Trump, who has frequently understated the impact of the disease.

“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual town hall on Fox News. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”

The White House responded that the new projections had not been vetted.

“This is not a White House document nor has it been presented to the Coronavirus Task Force or gone through interagency vetting,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.”

“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” he said.

Mr. Gottlieb said Americans “may be facing the prospect that 20,000, 30,000 new cases a day diagnosed becomes the new normal.”

Some states that have partially reopened are still seeing an increase in cases, including Iowa, Minnesota, Tennessee and Texas, according to Times data. Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska also are seeing an increase in cases and reopened some businesses on Monday. Alaska has also reopened and is seeing a small number of increasing cases.

While the country has stabilized, it has not really improved, as shown by data collected by The Times. Case and death numbers remain stuck on a numbing, tragic plateau that is tilting only slightly downward.

At least 1,000 people with the virus, and sometimes more than 2,000, have died every day for the last month. On a near-daily basis, at least 25,000 new cases of the virus are being identified across the country. And even as New York City, New Orleans and Detroit have shown improvement, other urban centers, including Chicago and Los Angeles, are reporting steady growth in cases.

The situation has devolved most dramatically in parts of rural America that were largely spared in the early stages of the pandemic. As food processing facilities and prisons have emerged as some of the country’s largest case clusters, the counties that include Logansport, Ind., South Sioux City, Neb., and Marion, Ohio, have surpassed New York City in cases per capita.

So uhh... that should be a "Okay, jk we're not opening up. More work to do" kind of thing, right?

 

[Strenuus]

"Freedom is essential"

Bruh, we're still free... have you SEEN the other countries?

How far of a hole did they stick their head in? Jeez.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My write in answer would have been:

Fuck you drunk, I'm not officer.

Other potential answers:
"I'm not drinking anymore, but I'm also not drinking any less"
"I used to drink. I still do, but I used to, too." (RIP Mitch)

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...virus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

What happens if a coronavirus vaccine is never developed? It has happened before

 

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So uhh... that should be a "Okay, jk we're not opening up. More work to do" kind of thing, right?

Looks that way, but I don't think a lot of States will buy into it now.

 

[Strenuus]

Looks that way, but I don't think a lot of States will buy into it now.

So why is trump so eager to get the economy back if he has these numbers?

 

[Strenuus]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...virus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

What happens if a coronavirus vaccine is never developed? It has happened before

Good god. How do you sleep at night with all the doom and gloom articles you find? lol.

 

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So why is trump so eager to get the economy back if he has these numbers?

Not sure. I’m sure that question will he asked by reporters.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

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As much as I think that protest was stupid as fuck, protesting with guns isn’t cowardice in my opinion. The entire purpose of the second amendment is not to brand hunting weapons. It’s to protect ourselves from tyranny.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm behind this. Protest, fine. But not with guns for intimidation when protesting something that doesn't already have a violent foundation. Its not like they are protesting the brutal treatment of minorities or something.....

Fucking morons ruining it for those who own guns for the right reasons.

 

[Orion Bailey]

As much as I think that protest was stupid as fuck, protesting with guns isn’t cowardice in my opinion. The entire purpose of the second amendment is not to brand hunting weapons. It’s to protect ourselves from tyranny.

I 100% disagree with this. It puts them in a no win situation from the get go. The focus is now on the guns and not their purpose of opposing the lockdown.

Nothing good can come from starting a protest with guns when there isn't already civil unrest. It will only perpetuate civil unrest.

I get why they are protesting. But how they are protesting is not the optimal way to get their agenda answered.

 

[magnifier661]

I 100% disagree with this. It puts them in a no win situation from the get go. The focus is now on the guns and not their purpose of opposing the lockdown.

Nothing good can come from starting a protest with guns when there isn't already civil unrest. It will only perpetuate civil unrest.

I get why they are protesting. But how they are protesting is not the optimal way to get their agenda answered.

We can agree to disagree then. I fully support this group protesting as well.

 

[yankeesince59]

There is absolutely no reason for the show of weapons other than attempting intimidation.

 

[magnifier661]

There is absolutely no reason for the show of weapons other than attempting intimidation.

Yes. Intimidating a tyrannical government.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Shopper wears Ku Klux Klan hood as a 'face covering' in California city dubbed 'Klantee' because of its racist history

• Middle-aged man wore white KKK hood in Santee, California, supermarket
• Photographs of the hooded man went viral on social media on Saturday
• Employees at Vons supermarket demanded he remove the hood, but he refused
• Supervisor approached man while he waited on line at checkout counter
• Man removed his hood and then completed his purchase and left
• Santee mayor said San Diego County Sheriff's Department is investigating
• San Diego County last week required residents to wear face coverings in public
• Local leaders issued statements condemning the incident in Santee
• San Diego suburb has history with racist groups, giving it nickname 'Klantee'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-covering-California-city-known-Klantee.html

The guy could very well be racist, and he is an asshole for this, but more so than that he is doing this to make a statement and to point out the hypocrisy of what is suitable to cover your face to protect yourself against the virus. Just like the lady who wears masks that have penis's on them. They both are mocking the practice of it, and they both are offensive in their own ways(the Klan hood is unacceptable.) They are challenging the notion of when does something that is usually offensive not when you health and welfare is threatened.

 

[Orion Bailey]

We can agree to disagree then. I fully support this group protesting as well.

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Absolutely. I also support this group protesting. Just not with guns.

Don't get me wrong. I understand their opinion on the position. I just am a believer that violence begats violence and if w want it curbed, we need to go the MLK route, not the MalcomX route.

I do not believe that violence has ever brought peace to the people of a governed society in history.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Either use it or leave it at home. Otherwise you are a fucking poser.

 

[barfo]

Yes. Intimidating a tyrannical government.

That only works if (a) the government is actually tyrannical, and (b) if you are willing to actually use the weapons against said government.

We know that neither of those things is true.

barfo

 

[The Professional Fan]

We can agree to disagree then. I fully support this group protesting as well.

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Yeah, but if this group is the group that showed up at the state house in Michigan, they'd have been mowed down. Big diff.