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SlyPokerDog said:
BREAKING NEWS: White House tells Congress it is formally withdrawing from the World Health Organization - to fury from Democrats who say the move 'leaves Americans sick' and alone
  • The White House provided formal notification to Congress
  • Trump announced the move amid the pandemic
  • He blasted the WHO for failing to contain the virus and accused it of catering to China and concealing information
  • The nation is on the cusp of 3 million infections and is a leading global hotspot
  • Sen. Robert Menendez blasted the move as part of 'chaotic & incoherent' response
  • The U.S. is the top voluntary contributor to the group
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ly-withdrawing-World-Health-Organization.html
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this is all about that fucker trump trying to deflect blame. Calling it the China Flu or Wuhan Flu hasn't worked. Maybe he can pin it on those evil 'fureigners' from shithole countires in the WHO

trump has inflicted 70 years of damage on the US in less than 4
 
theprunetang said:
I'm good. Being as safe as I can. Still working outdoors as a biologist with birds. Definitely makes it easy to keep my distance from strangers. Other than that, I am dating a girl that is way out of my league, who works from home and also is able to minimize her contacts with others. Riding this one out.
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56 Florida hospital ICUs have hit capacity

The worsening coronavirus pandemic hit a series of somber peaks across the United States on Tuesday, renewing fears that more hospitals could be overloaded with Covid-19 patients.

At least 56 intensive care units in Florida hospitals reached capacity on Tuesday, state officials said. Another 35 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, according to the Agency for Health Care Administration in that state.

Georgia surpassed 100,000 reported coronavirus cases, becoming the ninth state to pass the mark.

In California, the number of hospitalizations across the state were at an all-time high and the virus positivity rate jumped more than 2% in Los Angeles.

As nearly 3 million confirmed coronavirus cases were reported in the US, the need for testing has increased. That has led federal officials to set up new testing sites in Florida, Louisiana and Texas. But major diagnostic companies have said they are facing testing delays.

Hospitals in Texas and Florida are flooded with critical Covid-19 patients and some local and state officials have made face coverings mandatory.

Last week, the country averaged just under 50,000 new cases daily -- the highest rate recorded, and twice as high as a month ago.

Texas reported more than 10,000 new cases on Tuesday, marking the highest single day total in the state since the pandemic began.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday the death rate among coronavirus patients has lowered but Americans shouldn't take comfort in it.

"It's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a livestream with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama. "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don't get yourself into false complacency."

More than 131,200 people in the US have died from coronavirus, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

An influential coronavirus model often cited by the White House increased its projections for US deaths on Tuesday and it's now forecasting more than 208,000 deaths by November.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

@tlongII
 
SlyPokerDog said:
56 Florida hospital ICUs have hit capacity

The worsening coronavirus pandemic hit a series of somber peaks across the United States on Tuesday, renewing fears that more hospitals could be overloaded with Covid-19 patients.

At least 56 intensive care units in Florida hospitals reached capacity on Tuesday, state officials said. Another 35 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, according to the Agency for Health Care Administration in that state.

Georgia surpassed 100,000 reported coronavirus cases, becoming the ninth state to pass the mark.

In California, the number of hospitalizations across the state were at an all-time high and the virus positivity rate jumped more than 2% in Los Angeles.

As nearly 3 million confirmed coronavirus cases were reported in the US, the need for testing has increased. That has led federal officials to set up new testing sites in Florida, Louisiana and Texas. But major diagnostic companies have said they are facing testing delays.

Hospitals in Texas and Florida are flooded with critical Covid-19 patients and some local and state officials have made face coverings mandatory.

Last week, the country averaged just under 50,000 new cases daily -- the highest rate recorded, and twice as high as a month ago.

Texas reported more than 10,000 new cases on Tuesday, marking the highest single day total in the state since the pandemic began.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday the death rate among coronavirus patients has lowered but Americans shouldn't take comfort in it.

"It's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a livestream with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama. "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don't get yourself into false complacency."

More than 131,200 people in the US have died from coronavirus, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

An influential coronavirus model often cited by the White House increased its projections for US deaths on Tuesday and it's now forecasting more than 208,000 deaths by November.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

@tlongII
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^^^This has to be be FAKE NEWS because I was assured that "the hospitals are just fine" and that it's OK to "open back up". [posting "for a friend"]
 
SlyPokerDog said:
BREAKING NEWS: White House tells Congress it is formally withdrawing from the World Health Organization - to fury from Democrats who say the move 'leaves Americans sick' and alone
  • The White House provided formal notification to Congress
  • Trump announced the move amid the pandemic
  • He blasted the WHO for failing to contain the virus and accused it of catering to China and concealing information
  • The nation is on the cusp of 3 million infections and is a leading global hotspot
  • Sen. Robert Menendez blasted the move as part of 'chaotic & incoherent' response
  • The U.S. is the top voluntary contributor to the group
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ly-withdrawing-World-Health-Organization.html
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It won't take effect for a year giving Biden plenty of time to reverse that stupid move.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
56 Florida hospital ICUs have hit capacity

The worsening coronavirus pandemic hit a series of somber peaks across the United States on Tuesday, renewing fears that more hospitals could be overloaded with Covid-19 patients.

At least 56 intensive care units in Florida hospitals reached capacity on Tuesday, state officials said. Another 35 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, according to the Agency for Health Care Administration in that state.

Georgia surpassed 100,000 reported coronavirus cases, becoming the ninth state to pass the mark.

In California, the number of hospitalizations across the state were at an all-time high and the virus positivity rate jumped more than 2% in Los Angeles.

As nearly 3 million confirmed coronavirus cases were reported in the US, the need for testing has increased. That has led federal officials to set up new testing sites in Florida, Louisiana and Texas. But major diagnostic companies have said they are facing testing delays.

Hospitals in Texas and Florida are flooded with critical Covid-19 patients and some local and state officials have made face coverings mandatory.

Last week, the country averaged just under 50,000 new cases daily -- the highest rate recorded, and twice as high as a month ago.

Texas reported more than 10,000 new cases on Tuesday, marking the highest single day total in the state since the pandemic began.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday the death rate among coronavirus patients has lowered but Americans shouldn't take comfort in it.

"It's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a livestream with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama. "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don't get yourself into false complacency."

More than 131,200 people in the US have died from coronavirus, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

An influential coronavirus model often cited by the White House increased its projections for US deaths on Tuesday and it's now forecasting more than 208,000 deaths by November.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

@tlongII
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That clearly says that the hospitals throughout Florida have not hit capacity yet. More fake news from CNN.
 
tlongII said:
That clearly says that the hospitals throughout Florida have not hit capacity yet. More fake news from CNN.
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Here is what that article clearly said:

At least 56 intensive care units in Florida hospitals reached capacity on Tuesday, state officials said. Another 35 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, according to the Agency for Health Care Administration in that state.

Where in that section of the article does it say they AREN'T at full capacity and others are at near capacity and it's rising rapidly. Don't double down on stupid.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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I agree.

The need for in-person class instruction is going to be outdated soon. The focus should be to transition into an online learning format for children. No more overcrowding. You can eliminate so much from the Education System.

When and if we get through this coronavirus, I think the focus should be less on schools and more on technology to bring education to children in their homes.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I agree.

The need for in-person class instruction is going to be outdated soon. The focus should be to transition into an online learning format for children. No more overcrowding. You can eliminate so much from the Education System.

When and if we get through this coronavirus, I think the focus should be less on schools and more on technology to bring education to children in their homes.
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So do you go back to one-parent working, one parent staying home with the kids for 18 years? What about single parents?
Or does every household hire a nanny?
Free-range children?
What's your plan?

barfo
 
tlongII said:
That clearly says that the hospitals throughout Florida have not hit capacity yet. More fake news from CNN.
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I am not sure anymore what you are even arguing here....it just seems like all you're doing is trying to Matlock a semantic argument about what "full" or "capacity" means. I read an article about the chain reaction of ICU capacity in hospitals in cities & states. Then this article talks about 91 hospitals. 56 at capacity and 35 within 10% of capacity. It's an informal system of hospitals. A couple of weeks ago it could have been 5 hospitals at ICU capacity and 86 within 30% of capacity. If an ICU reaches capacity at a hospital, they will generally transfer a patient needing an ICU bed to a hospital that has capacity.

keep in mind that hospitalizations, for Covid, especially ICU hospitalizations, usually run about 3-4 weeks behind current infection rates. 3-4 weeks ago Florida was averaging around 3200 positives a day. Over the last week, they have been averaging around 9000 positive cases a day. Now extrapolate what will happen 3-4 weeks from now: if those 91 hospitals are somewhere in the vicinity of 95-97% ICU capacity caused by an average infection rate of 3200/day, where will those hospitals be when dealing with an infection rate of 9000/day?

in other words, narrowing down 'right now' to an extremely simplistic semantic argument about current ICU capacity seems pointless to me since we already know what the curves of this pandemic look like, and what that means, having lived thru April and May.

Not only that, there seems to be a really shallow assumption at work here and that's that any open capacity can be earmarked exclusively for Covid. Forget about heart attacks, or car accidents, or strokes. And forget about the effort it takes to divide ICU's into infectious and non-infectious protocols. And forget about the burden and stress applied to health care workers. Forget about all that because you seemingly want to die on the hill of what capacity means

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we know that hospitalization rates and mortality rates track infection rates...they just lag behind by several weeks. Look at these two charts of world and state numbers:

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and for states:

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(Texas & Georgia are imposed on each other)

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

it's not a coincidence at all that the Nation(s) and states that are doing the worst have leadership that keeps minimizing the risks of Covid while resisting policies that work. Fuck science. Meanwhile those doing better are the ones that gauge the risks and impact more seriously. And in the case of Florida and the USA, it's not a coincidence how poorly they are doing when those geographies are filled with people arguing that economy is more important than public health, that Covid is like the flu, or that herd immunity is the goal when they don't even know how fucking long immunity lasts or what the rate of immunity would be. Oh...and of course there are some people arguing pointless things like where we are today when we already know with a high degree of certainty where we're headed.

what's happening now is no surprise at all. Just about every expert on public health and infectious disease predicted this current surge would result from re-opening too fast and relaxing social restrictions. And here we are. Seems pretty likely where we'll be 3 weeks from now
 
barfo said:
So do you go back to one-parent working, one parent staying home with the kids for 18 years? What about single parents?
Or does every household hire a nanny?
Free-range children?
What's your plan?

barfo
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Figure it out!
School ain't yo fucking babysitter!

Maybe have a community center set up, where they can be babysat and learn. Kind of like a school, but just computer terminals where they are taught remotely.

Either charge people who use that service or those that can have their kids stay at home will get a tax credit.
 
Not everyone has a computer in their home for a kid. Not everyone has one for multiple children. Theres more than just the actual book learning that kids get from a social school setting. Remove that and we get a bunch of online educated kids that sit at home with their katanas acting tough on the internet. We dont need more of that.
 
RR7 said:
Not everyone has a computer in their home for a kid. Not everyone has one for multiple children. Theres more than just the actual book learning that kids get from a social school setting. Remove that and we get a bunch of online educated kids that sit at home with their katanas acting tough on the internet. We dont need more of that.
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Everyone will find a problem for everything.

Trump: we need to open the schools.....

"NO! Orange Man Bad!"

"OK then, lets do all online learning"

"That won't work either. What about the poor kids without laptops and internet. No fair!"

Its not like the American education system is that great to begin with. Do something new. Now is the time to do that when everything is on "pause".

There's a pandemic, kids shouldn't be in school. Either do online school for everything or don't have school at all.
 
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New cases, yesterday:
Germany: 298
Denmark: 10
Norway: 11
Sweden: 57

United States: 55,442
 
barfo said:
So do you go back to one-parent working, one parent staying home with the kids for 18 years? What about single parents?
Or does every household hire a nanny?
Free-range children?
What's your plan?

barfo
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Robots taking over
 
tlongII said:
That clearly says that the hospitals throughout Florida have not hit capacity yet. More fake news from CNN.
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My goodness...how is it "fake news"? You said a week or two ago that "hospitals are just fine" and that we should "open everything back up"...and few days later for reasons known only to you, you decided to double down by asking "are the hospitals overwhelmed yet". And now that you've been presented with facts that disprove your stance, like Trump, you go into denial mode and scream "fake news".
 
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