OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (6 Viewers)

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Should we force illegals/migrants to take the vaccine?

 

[Hoopguru]

Should we force illegals/migrants to take the vaccine?

Hell yes!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[calvin natt]

If anything you say or do is on the side of this, you are an idiot. What a piece of shit this guy is

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm fine if businesses do it. Private businesses. Being out in public, using public transportation, etc? Nah.

Question: would you be ok with a business not allowing felons to enter or be serviced? It protects the business and the customers.

Can bars ban people with HIV? It protects the customers if they do.

The felons aren't threats or they wouldn't be released (presumably).

Also, there is no danger to being in a bar with an HIV+ person.

The level of risk between these two examples and unvaccinated people are not even in the same ballpark.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But at the time he said that he was right. We now know that we are at risk of a more dangerous strain.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The felons aren't threats or they wouldn't be released (presumably).

Also, there is no danger to being in a bar with an HIV+ person.

The level of risk between these two examples and unvaccinated people are not even in the same ballpark.

I'm sure there are statistics that would back up that felons are more likely to harm you than not.

And unvaccinated persons do not have Covid-19. And the chance that they do at any given moment is a fraction of a percent.

And if we can ban someone for health reasons, we could open that for anything communicable.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The homeless are an epidemic and a real threat to health and safety. They should be forcibly be removed from society then.

Yes, if we have a free and convenient solution available for them and they refuse, for sure.

In fact, that's exactly how the court ruled. And it won't cost us nearly as much as we've spent on covid-19...

 

[calvin natt]

Should we force illegals/migrants to take the vaccine?

Yes. We should.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But at the time he said that he was right. We now know that we are at risk of a more dangerous strain.

How do we know, the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in May.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If this goes through, your daughter will either be forced to get vaccinated or her rights will be restricted. Right now she is merely classified as an anti-vaxxer. It's how these classifications work.

Shortly, the constant testing won't be enough and her right to work will be terminated.

That's absolute BS. There would be medical exemptions.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How do we know, the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in May.

Because we'd tested breakthrough cases enough to know that vaccinated people were not contagious when infected with any known strain...

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm sure there are statistics that would back up that felons are more likely to harm you than not.

And unvaccinated persons do not have Covid-19. And the chance that they do at any given moment is a fraction of a percent.

And if we can ban someone for health reasons, we could open that for anything communicable.

We already do that with measles.

And no. You will not find data to show that a felon is more likely to hurt you than not. I've known many felons and never been hurt by one.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Because we'd tested breakthrough cases enough to know that vaccinated people were not contagious when infected with any known strain...

Well, that's blatantly false.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Well, that's blatantly false.

It's not actually.

 

[calvin natt]

Yes. We should.

Of course, I think they should be because they are just humans and we don’t want the virus killing more people. Legal citizens are also humans. So that’s what I’d do.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

We already do that with measles.

And no. You will not find data to show that a felon is more likely to hurt you than not. I've known many felons and never been hurt by one.

That wasn't hard.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-state

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That's absolute BS. There would be medical exemptions.

No there would not. Unvaccinated is Unvaccinated. Restriction of movement would be required.

Here's an example in the private sector

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's not actually.

 

[calvin natt]

So?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So?

He stated that vaccinated are not contagious, which is false.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That wasn't hard.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-state

That link has nothing to do with felons. And says nothing about how likely anybody is to hurt me if we're in the same room.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He stated that vaccinated are not contagious, which is false.

Actually, I did not state that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No there would not. Unvaccinated is Unvaccinated. Restriction of movement would be required.

Here's an example in the private sector

That is private sector and already occurring. Nothing is preventing that even now. You can't force them to allow her (unless you classify her as a protected minority).

You can make an exemption on the legal mandate, and there would certainly be one.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That is private sector and already occurring. Nothing is preventing that even now. You can't force them to allow her (unless you classify her as a protected minority).

You can make an exemption on the legal mandate, and there would certainly be one.

No vaccine passport = no movement. There will be no exceptions if this is enacted.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Actually, I did not state that.

Can a vaccinated person with a Covid-19 "breakthrough case" infect others?

 

[Lanny]

Rep. Matt Gaetz Tells Crowd His Brain Is Affected by ‘the Florida Variant’

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) told supporters at a campaign event Saturday that the “Florida variant” and “freedom variant” of COVID-19 had infected his brain. Speaking in front of what appeared to be a trailer featuring a life-size image of Donald Trump and the words, “Trump won!” Gaetz said, “You’ve had all the experts say look out for the delta variant or the lambda variant, well next it’ll be the Chi Omega variant or the Pi Kappa Psi variant. I got the Florida variant. I got the freedom variant. It affects the brain. It gets you to think for yourself where you don’t just surrender to the truth that they’re trying to create in corrupt big media.” Though ostensibly a joke, the remark comes on the same day that Florida, Gaetz’s home state and the one he represents, broke its record for most coronavirus cases recorded in a single day since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-m...nA9UzuRUlEBE9BDf6bwuoohshwNqMMhNKJ5FOT30uPORc

I'm all for writing these people off. I say, let's quarantine the whole state.

 

[Lanny]

How many active cases are there now? What % would you guess of unvaccinated persons that currently have covid?

Almost all of the ill were unvaccinated. is that what you meant to say?
Hey, unless you're part of the Trump cult, you can't argue with facts.

 

[Lanny]

End the liability waiver of vaccine manufacturers then. That will increase the distribution greatly.

Forcing medical treatments or taking away rights from those that choose not to get vaccinated is never a good look. It's how fascists operate.

Taking away what rights? The right to infect me? Oh, no, no, no, now they are infringing on my right to live.