OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (13 Viewers)

[Lanny]

He stated that vaccinated are not contagious, which is false.

There not as contagious and there is an insignificant percentage that will be hospitalized and an even more insignificant percentage that will die of it.

 

[Lanny]

Can a vaccinated person with a Covid-19 "breakthrough case" infect others?

Yes, but unlikely if they wear a mask indoors or at crowed events outdoors.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Can a vaccinated person with a Covid-19 "breakthrough case" infect others?

Yes, if they are infected with the Delta variant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No vaccine passport = no movement. There will be no exceptions if this is enacted.

Bullshit. That's not even on the table. The unvaccinated just will not be able to enter indoor public places.

Then, once we reach enough vaccinated that we stop seeing pandemic levels of spread we'll be able to go back to normal.

Just like we just tried with masking, but unfortunately not enough people are vaccinated now that the Delta variant has arrived.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Almost all of the ill were unvaccinated. is that what you meant to say?
Hey, unless you're part of the Trump cult, you can't argue with facts.

No, I said what I said.

A fraction of a percent of the unvaccinated are sick. People are equating being unvaccinated with being sick.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Bullshit. That's not even on the table. The unvaccinated just will not be able to enter indoor public places.

Then, once we reach enough vaccinated that we stop seeing pandemic levels of spread we'll be able to go back to normal.

Just like we just tried with masking, but unfortunately not enough people are vaccinated now that the Delta variant has arrived.

So naive. Why do you think people are fighting vaccine passports so passionately in Europe? Because they have seen this kind of thing before with the Nazis.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Taking away what rights? The right to infect me? Oh, no, no, no, now they are infringing on my right to live.

Again, the unvaccinated are not sick nor are they likely to currently be sick. They are infringing on nothing.

You want to restrict the rights of a large part of the population to freely move.

 

[riverman]

Again, the unvaccinated are not sick nor are they likely to currently be sick. They are infringing on nothing.

You want to restrict the rights of a large part of the population to freely move.

You should consider moving to India...they have lots of unvaccinated people and even more cases of that harmless Delta variant.....dude...unvaccinated people not only get really sick....see Missouri.....many are already dead....don't know what your point is about allowing super spreaders to super spread this shit but if folks don't wake the fuck up it's going to be restrictions for years...not months...the reason we're in this mess now is the Trump....only a few folks will get the sniffles...it'll be gone by the spring response from 2020...I'm sure you could get in on the Euro protests as well....fly over there and battle those Nazi conspirators!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You should consider moving to India...they have lots of unvaccinated people and even more cases of that harmless Delta variant.....dude...unvaccinated people not only get really sick....see Missouri.....many are already dead....don't know what your point is about allowing super spreaders to super spread this shit but if folks don't wake the fuck up it's going to be restrictions for years...not months...the reason we're in this mess now is the Trump....only a few folks will get the sniffles...it'll be gone by the spring response from 2020

Again, you are equating the unvaccinated as already being sick and infected, which is incorrect.

With the Delta variant, the vaccinated can get sick and spread Covid-19. Their symptoms are usually just more mild and they can still be superspreaders.

 

[riverman]

Again, you are equating the unvaccinated as already being sick and infected, which is incorrect.

With the Delta variant, the vaccinated can get sick and spread Covid-19. Their symptoms are usually just more mild and they can still be superspreaders.

the vast majority of hospitalizations for covid are unvaccinated people...they are sick and unvaccinated...you can be a host and be asymptomatic with this shit...it takes a certain quantity to reproduce inside your body to cause infections...if you don't have that many you can be spreading it without knowing it. Covid can live without humans hosting it for long enough to be passed in the air or on an object...you don't know who's hosting it at all...that's what airborne viruses do..all people who are indoors in crowds are super spreaders or potential super spreaders...sorry it's going to fuck up your bachelor party dude...be smart and safe about this stuff

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

the vast majority of hospitalizations for covid are unvaccinated people...they are sick and unvaccinated...you can be a host and be asymptomatic with this shit...it takes a certain quantity to reproduce inside your body to cause infections...if you don't have that many you can be spreading it without knowing it. Covid can live without humans hosting it for long enough to be passed in the air or on an object...you don't know who's hosting it at all...that's what airborne viruses do

The CDC isn't even tracking breakthrough infections

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

...that's what airborne viruses do..all people who are indoors in crowds are super spreaders or potential super spreaders...sorry it's going to fuck up your bachelor party dude...be smart and safe about this stuff

Yeah, half of then canceled. I told them there was no pressure to go. We are all vaccinated and we will mask up indoors, as required.

 

[riverman]

The CDC isn't even tracking breakthrough infections

I don't give a shit what the CDC is doing or not doing...the information is available for all on the planet to figure out what we need to do to cull this shit....just talk with first responders and medical professionals and they all say the same thing ...it's not a mystery..it's not political

 

[HailBlazers]

The CDC isn't even tracking breakthrough infections

Gee.. Wonder why

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't give a shit what the CDC is doing or not doing...the information is available for all on the planet to figure out what we need to do to cull this shit....just talk with first responders and medical professionals and they all say the same thing ...it's not a mystery..it's not political

I encourage all to get vaccinated. The information is out there and people should make their own informed decision.

You won't see me advocating people to be forced to get the jab though.

 

[riverman]

Gee.. Wonder why

are you vaccinated?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Based on illogical hypothetical bullshit? No.

You can try to spin this to about protecting individual rights all you want, but your right to swing your arm ends at the tip of my nose.

We’re in a pandemic, and the unvaccinated are largely responsible for prolonging it. I’m against the idea of a government mandate to vaccinate everyone, but I’m perfectly OK with companies and private businesses requiring their employees to get the vaccines. Also as a business owner, I’d think it’s a responsible action to take to not do business with people that show such negligence as to knowingly put others at risk.

TLDR: I’m OK with assholes being assholes. But I’m even more OK with people treating the assholes for being the assholes that they are.

So you agree with me.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Of which part?

Last 2 paragraphs

 

[SlyPokerDog]

@EL PRESIDENTE you're getting married soon, right?

Just wondering if you're going to require people to wear masks at the wedding and reception?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

@EL PRESIDENTE you're getting married soon, right?

Just wondering if you're going to require people to wear masks at the wedding and reception?

Wedding is in October. Depends on the state of things, but as of right now, no. We will provide masks and sanitizer. Reception is in an open air rooftop.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So naive. Why do you think people are fighting vaccine passports so passionately in Europe? Because they have seen this kind of thing before with the Nazis.

Nobody is going to stand for that. This is a fucking pandemic. You want more freedom, sooner? Advocate that more people get vaccinated and policies which will encourage them to do so.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I encourage all to get vaccinated. The information is out there and people should make their own informed decision.

You won't see me advocating people to be forced to get the jab though.

Then don't advocate for it. But please stop posting bullshit reasons for people not to. There is no legitimate reason not to vaccinate except for the very rare individuals who have received different advice from their doctor.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Nobody is going to stand for that. This is a fucking pandemic. You want more freedom, sooner? Advocate that more people get vaccinated and policies which will encourage them to do so.

Forcing someone to get vaccinated or requiring movement passports isn't the way.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Then don't advocate for it. But please stop posting bullshit reasons for people not to. There is no legitimate reason not to vaccinate except for the very rare individuals who have received different advice from their doctor.

What bullshit reason? I am not posting "bullshit reasons" not to get vaccinated. I am simply saying that I am against forced vaccinations and government mandated vaccine passports. I am also saying that whether or not you get vaccinated should be up to you. I've also mentioned that vaccinated persons can get and spread covid. Also stating that it appears to me, that the efficiency of the vaccines were oversold to us.

Nothing earth-shattering about that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

What bullshit reason? I am not posting "bullshit reasons" not to get vaccinated. I am simply saying that I am against forced vaccinations and government mandated vaccine passports.

Has anybody advocated for a government mandated passport? I have advocated for government to support businesses who want to verify vaccination status so they can ensure the unvaccinated mask at their location.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Forcing someone to get vaccinated or requiring movement passports isn't the way.

Nobody has suggested movement passports.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Has anybody advocated for a government mandated passport? I have advocated for government to support businesses who want to verify vaccination status so they can ensure the unvaccinated mask at their location.

I believe several posters in this thread are in support of movement restrictions on the unvaccinated.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

People can drive without a license, but it is not an issue to require it to ensure that they do the minimum to protect others from their driving by passing a basic ability test. The same is true of vaccines. If you do not want to do the bare minimum to protect others from your decisions - no one owes you anything.

Either do that, or pass a law that if someone traces an infection back to you and you are not vaccinated, you face criminal negligence for endangering others.

Time to call the "morally" unvaccinated during a pandemic what they are - a public health hazard - and treat them accordingly. You can not demand to be protected by society and actively endanger it. Hypocrites.

Example.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Show of hands: Is anyone here in favor of not allowing the unvaccinated to freely travel on public transportation or other government-backed restrictions?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I believe several posters in this thread are in support of movement restrictions on the unvaccinated.

I don't think so. Perhaps that's where the miscommunication is coming from.

It should be as simple for vaccinated people to live a normal life, so that the most people possible are encouraged to become vaccinated. Including financially rewarding vaccinated people. This should be a significant reward to ensure as many vaccinations as possible ASAP.

We should enable everyone to easily identify the unvaccinated so that they can take proper precautions around them.

This should include financially supporting businesses as needed to hire security, screener, and buy bracelets and masks.

None of these are government mandates, just policies to encourage healthy behavior.