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e_blazer said:
That’s kind of ironic, but if they really want to do us a favor they should institute a travel ban for a real viral hell hole like Texas or Florida.
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The patterns change all the time. Few months ago, California was the viral hellhole and it was masked and locked down harder. Now Israel, which has been a leader in vaccinated seems to be bad now. That pattern may follow here in a few months
 
jonnyboy said:
Where in that literature did it say anything about the delta variant, specifically? They aren’t even testing for the delta variant.

Call any hospital, clinic or testing center right now and ask them if you can get tested for the delta variant specifically.

Let me know what they all say.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...-despite-what-you-might-have-seen-online.html

THE FACTS: Social media users are taking advantage of growing concerns around the coronavirus delta variant to push out misinformation online, including false claims that health professionals are lying to patients about contracting the variant and that a test for it does not exist.

In fact, it is possible to test for variants using genome sequencing. “It’s the patterns of mutations in the genome that determine the differences,” said Dr. Phil Febbo, chief medical officer for Illumina, a San Diego-based company that develops genomic sequencing technologies.

Viruses mutate or change as they spread, creating variants. Variants can make a virus more transmissible or lead to more severe disease. Repositories online allow medical officials to scan and see all the different sequences of the virus.

Researchers sequence viruses to answer such questions as whether a given variant is more or less dangerous and whether it increases risk for people, said Dr. Angela Branche, co-director of the University of Rochester Vaccine Treatment Evaluation Unit. “It’s meant to help us understand how quickly the virus changes itself and the current protection you get after you are infected,” Branche said.

The delta variant was first detected in India and now makes up 83% of U.S. COVID-19 cases.

“We have seen cases skyrocket in the last few weeks. The vast majority of that is attributable to SARS-COV2 delta variant because we are sequencing a good chunk of all positive cases across the country,” said Joseph Fauver, associate research scientist in epidemiology at Yale University’s School of Public Health.
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jonnyboy said:
Where in that literature did it say anything about the delta variant, specifically?
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Pages 19-21, and 24.

They aren’t even testing for the delta variant.
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OHSU certainly has the capability to do the genomic sequencing, if you meant OHSU specifically by 'they'.

Call any hospital, clinic or testing center right now and ask them if you can get tested for the delta variant specifically.

Let me know what they all say.
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Why would that be important to do?

barfo
 
HailBlazers said:
She'll allow a religious exception but not a scientific one? Dumb.
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Ok, I'll bite. What is a 'scientific exemption', and how does it differ from a religious exemption?

barfo
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The patterns change all the time. Few months ago, California was the viral hellhole and it was masked and locked down harder. Now Israel, which has been a leader in vaccinated seems to be bad now. That pattern may follow here in a few months
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Wait... So California masked and locked down then things got better?

Interesting... Perhaps this relationship should be investigated further...
 
Phatguysrule said:
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...-despite-what-you-might-have-seen-online.html
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This article provides absolutely nothing, except to say that it is ‘possible’ to test for variants. It doesn’t say that they are actually testing the general population for the delta variant (because they aren’t). It only alludes to India, where supposedly “a good chunk” of tests were subjected to the sequencing measures required to isolate the variant. No data, no numbers, no nothing. Just “a good chunk”. Wow, sounds sciencey. Oregonlive is dogshit.
barfo said:
Why would that be important?
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Because it would prove the exact point I was making, that none of the tests people are taking are being screened to isolate any variants. They are just being given the same tests they’ve been using since before any variants were touted, and being given covid +/- results. So all the assertions attributing all the new cases to delta are completely unfounded.
 
So @jonnyboy doesn't believe the Delta variant is real? Or it's real but it's fake that it's everywhere? Or it may be real but we don't test for it so it might not be real?
 
jonnyboy said:
This article provides absolutely nothing, except to say that it is ‘possible’ to test for variants. It doesn’t say that they are actually testing the general population for the delta variant (because they aren’t). It only alludes to India, where supposedly “a good chunk” of tests were subjected to the sequencing measures required to isolate the variant. No data, no numbers, no nothing. Just “a good chunk”. Wow, sounds sciencey. Oregonlive is dogshit.

Because it would prove the exact point I was making, that none of the tests people are taking are being screened to isolate any variants. They are just being given the same tests they’ve been using since before any variants were touted, and being given covid +/- results. So all the assertions attributing all the new cases to delta are completely unfounded.
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It actually did...
“we are sequencing a good chunk of all positive cases across the country,” said Joseph Fauver
 
Phatguysrule said:
Wait... So California masked and locked down then things got better?

Interesting... Perhaps this relationship should be investigated further...
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No, they locked everyone in and closed restaurants. Everyone just gathered at home and spread that way.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So @jonnyboy doesn't believe the Delta variant is real? Or it's real but it's fake that it's everywhere? Or it may be real but we don't test for it so it might not be real?
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Only that nearly every single test that’s been administered hasn’t even been the kind that isolates variants. Are you able to produce any numbers showing the exact percentage of new cases that are delta, as proven by genome sequencing tests? Do you have that number?
Or how about a local hospital, clinic or testing facility that offers a free test that isolates for delta? I’m sure people aren’t running out to get genome sequencing done on the regular.
 
jonnyboy said:
Only that nearly every single test that’s been administered hasn’t even been the kind that isolates variants. Are you able to produce any numbers showing the exact percentage of new cases that are delta, as proven by genome sequencing tests? Do you have that number?
Or how about a local hospital, clinic or testing facility that offers a free test that isolates for delta? I’m sure people aren’t running out to get genome sequencing done on the regular.
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That's a pretty easy google search.

And you're always about 2 weeks behind on the stuff you get from facebook.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/s...to-identify-delta-other-coronavirus-variants/
 
I can't wait for the next one...

WHY HAVEN'T THE CEOS OF PFIZER AND MODERNA TAKEN THE COVID VACCINE?!? IT'S ALL OVER FACEBOOK THAT THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN IT!
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
No, they locked everyone in and closed restaurants. Everyone just gathered at home and spread that way.
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Then why did they start opening back up? They were having basketball tournaments in California before we were in Oregon.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's a pretty easy google search.

And you're always about 2 weeks behind on the stuff you get from facebook.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/s...to-identify-delta-other-coronavirus-variants/
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Do you really not get what I’m saying or are you trying to skate around it to avoid answering?

I’m not denying they can test for variants. Read that sentence again.

How many of the current positive tests that contribute to current positive covid cases have been tested specifically for the delta variant??? Give me a number, and don’t say “a good chunk”.
 
jonnyboy said:
Do you really not get what I’m saying or are you trying to skate around it to avoid answering?

I’m not denying they can test for variants. Read that sentence again.

How many of the current positive tests that contribute to current positive cases have been tested specifically for the delta variant??? Give me a number, and don’t say “a good chunk”.
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I didn't say a good chunk.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I can't wait for the next one...

WHY HAVEN'T THE CEOS OF PFIZER AND MODERNA TAKEN THE COVID VACCINE?!? IT'S ALL OVER FACEBOOK THAT THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN IT!
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I don’t know if they took it, their medical history should be their own business.

You should check out their profits this year though.
 
jonnyboy said:
This article provides absolutely nothing, except to say that it is ‘possible’ to test for variants. It doesn’t say that they are actually testing the general population for the delta variant (because they aren’t). It only alludes to India, where supposedly “a good chunk” of tests were subjected to the sequencing measures required to isolate the variant. No data, no numbers, no nothing. Just “a good chunk”. Wow, sounds sciencey. Oregonlive is dogshit.
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Hmm, I didn't see the Olive article. I was responding to the OHSU doc.

Because it would prove the exact point I was making, that none of the tests people are taking are being screened to isolate any variants. They are just being given the same tests they’ve been using since before any variants were touted, and being given covid +/- results. So all the assertions attributing all the new cases to delta are completely unfounded.
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But of course that's obviously not true. It's a very weird conspiracy theory. What would be the point of everyone lying about the delta variant? You can't fake hospitalizations and deaths.

Yes, there is genomic sequencing going on. No, the data isn't faked. Get a grip.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
I was talking about phatguysrule. I’m having the same discussion with him currently.
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Okay, here is my very layman explanation.

It doesn't matter which flavor/variant of covid a person has on the local level. For right now, the treatment is the same. Covid attacks the lungs. Medical professionals monitor O2 levels and respond from there.

This is very similar to the flu. Local medical professionals test for the flu and then respond with treatment.

Where variants and different strains in covid and flu are important are tracing the spread and trying to forecast things like personnel and supplies.

Tracking variants is done on a macro level, meaning state or regional labs. Both negative and positive tests are sent to these labs for further testing. Negative tests are done as a control, at first, the Alpha variant was giving a false negative in some tests.

But again, right now whether you have covid or covid delta or covid with extra cheese the treatment for the individual patient is the same.

On locals levels medical professionals recently started seeing an increase in patients testing positive for covid. Based on what we learned last year and what we've learned with things like the flu this was unusual. So the positive covid tests were sent over to state or regional labs for further tests. Further tests showed there was a variant. As those tests came in around the country more and more of those tests tested positive for the delta variant.

With those results, we could see, based on the percentage of these additional tests, how the delta variant was spreading.

It is this same process that will detect that next variant.

You're asking why we don't have a covid test on the local level that detects the delta variant. That's because it's not needed. Again, it makes no difference in how a patient is treated.
 
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