Politics Coronavirus Politics Edition! (1 Viewer)

[Strenuus]

So is this where i state my opinion that i think the dnc media used this virus as a tool to go after Trump?

that i think the media, largely controlled by democratic and liberal political agendas from their corporate owners, use their media powers to instill their agenda on the public trying to pass it off as news, so they can guide the sheeple to vote how they want? And when the virus came to light, they jumped aT the opportunity to use it against Trump any chance they could, when the odds are, no matter who was in office, this likely would have played out the same?

Dnc media pounds Trump for his reactions to the virus, when its the media who controls the messages and the truth they decide to hand out.
Leftist media should be ashamed of themselves.
Do they ever wait for true facts before they jump on the “gotcha” narrative?

You tried. You were wrong, but you tried.

If the media is doing this for years, look at the person who keeps giving them the news.

Now that you've been enlightened, we welcome you to the truth.

I've been on the right side the entire time. I welcome you here.

 

[yankeesince59]

You tried. You were wrong, but you tried.

If the media is doing this for years, look at the person who keeps giving them the news.

Now that you've been enlightened, we welcome you to the truth.

I've been on the right side the entire time. I welcome you here.

Yup...it's all the media's fault, because after all, they're the enemy of the people.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You tried. You were wrong, but you tried.

If the media is doing this for years, look at the person who keeps giving them the news.

Now that you've been enlightened, we welcome you to the truth.

I've been on the right side the entire time. I welcome you here.

its this type of absolute, non compromising, mindset that represents the sheeple.
Thanks for playing.

 

[wizenheimer]

a small write-up about the success of Oregon's voting system (yeah, it's a left wing website):

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oreg...ail-covid-19-trump_n_5eab16c3c5b6883aea388b44

[rant mode: on]
the political battle lines are already drawn. The R's want to restrict voting as much as they can. It has nothing to do with voter fraud. It's all about depressing Democratic voters and disenfranchising minorities. It's about raw power, and the attitude is 'fuck what's fair'

the newest weapon in the anti-democratic war the R's have been waging for decades is to force the Postal Service to fail...go bankrupt. That's a sure way to depress the vote and it's the reason trump is yapping about voter fraud in mail-in ballots and how 'bad' the postal service is [rant mode: off]

 

[Orion Bailey]

To deny that the majority of the media market is owned by left leaning corporate ceos who regularly use their companies as a platform to push their personal political beliefs through the news, is to turn a blind eye to the truth.

further more, the willingness and hastiness of so many left leaning people to just draw a line in the sand and say they are right in their beliefs, without any sign of being able to discuss and adjust their stance, based on the enlightenment of opposing viewpoints,
is extremely scary considering not one person in history has had all the political and economical answers to keep everyone happy. But now all of a sudden there is a growing number of people it seems who think they have the answer and its their way or the wrong way.

have we tossed our history books out the window? Have we forgotten the socialist and communist regimes of the past and how they turned out?

Why is the only right way to attempt to repeat history?

until history proves a way that attains utopia for all, no one has had the right answer on what the makeup of a leader and a government should be, in order to attain such a goal. to be so closed minded as to believe, without dispute, that the answer lies in oneself, is as foolish as those who repeat the same thing over and over expecting different results.

it is truly scary the growing number of people i see so set in their opinions as being factual absolutes.

This, combined with the media leading these people, will be our downfall, if there is to be one.

Misinformation fed to the sheeple by corporate media who knows they will eat the food they are fed to as absolute.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You tried. You were wrong, but you tried.

If the media is doing this for years, look at the person who keeps giving them the news.

Now that you've been enlightened, we welcome you to the truth.

I've been on the right side the entire time. I welcome you here.

Yup...it's all the media's fault, because after all, they're the enemy of the people.

i know your minds aRe made up, but if not...
https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

 

[Orion Bailey]

Another...

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/democracyondeadline/mediaownership.html




You cant tell me there isn't biased media...

 

[wizenheimer]

To deny that the majority of the media market is owned by left leaning corporate ceos who regularly use their companies as a platform to push their personal political beliefs through the news, is to turn a blind eye to the truth..

oh for chrissakes...really?

my god the whiny complaints about media from the right is so fucking myopic

* the oil and gas industry leans heavily right
* the banking industry leans heavily right
* investment houses lean heavily right
* the home building industry leans heavily right
* the insurance industry leans heavily right
* the defense-industrial complex leans heavily right
* mining and timber industries lean heavily right
* manufacturing leans right

* the electoral college has a right leaning bias because of demographics. The same is true of the US Senate and the result is that the courts lean a lot more to the right than the majority of people

for decades I've listened to R's try and cast themselves as victims because of the media. Meanwhile, the vast majority of economic vested interests support the R's and those have had incredible influence over the course of this nation and the trajectory of wealth accumulation.

The R's are the opposite of victims of our system. But yeah, Rachel Maddow has it in for you guys

 

[calvin natt]

If so much of the media is left biased maybe the issue is the right, not the left. Maybe it’s completely irrational to support trump and racists and the like, dunno just thinking out loud. And since when is it just the left that won’t budge? Am I missing these massive amounts of Trumpets who have changed their tune and now feel Trump is a bag of shit? Where are they, all those open-minded folks?

 

[calvin natt]

It reminds me of the time one of these posters said hey I’m going to be open minded please convince me why I should vote D and then people came back with thoughtful posts with facts and he was like yeah no sorry. Hmmm. So open minded and willing to change

 

[Orion Bailey]

oh for chrissakes...really?

my god the whiny complaints about media from the right is so fucking myopic

* the oil and gas industry leans heavily right
* the banking industry leans heavily right
* investment houses lean heavily right
* the home building industry leans heavily right
* the insurance industry leans heavily right
* the defense-industrial complex leans heavily right
* mining and timber industries lean heavily right
* manufacturing leans right

* the electoral college has a right leaning bias because of demographics. The same is true of the US Senate and the result is that the courts lean a lot more to the right than the majority of people

for decades I've listened to R's try and cast themselves as victims because of the media. Meanwhile, the vast majority of economic vested interests support the R's and those have had incredible influence over the course of this nation and the trajectory of wealth accumulation.

The R's are the opposite of victims of our system. But yeah, Rachel Maddow has it in for you guys

irrelevant. None of those have s voice to the public.
I mean for christs sakes.....

id also like to add that everything you listed as leaning right have the right to vote how they please and back a certain party.

a news channel has the same right. They can run adds for whichever candidate they want. But the news being reported should be 100% unbiased and it is not.

People need to learn to separate the two.

freedom of the press was to stifle biased reporting. Not enhance it.

 

[magnifier661]

Here’s a cool list of the political leanings

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

 

[wizenheimer]

irrelevant. None of those have s voice to the public.
.

if you actually believe the oil and gas industry or the banking industry don't participate in public discourse you're hopelessly naive. All of those vested economic sectors I listed have massive and multiple soapboxes in the public square. And those soapboxes have become much bigger because of right wing SCOTUS rulings essentially saying that corporations are individuals and money is speech

but besides the public square, all those right-leaning economic interests are full participants in lawmaking thru lobbying & campaign contributions

as for media, you might want to account for Fox News, the Sinclair and Clear Channel monopolies, the heavy right wing bias of talk radio, and the fairly even split in what's left of print media

 

[Orion Bailey]

if you actually believe the oil and gas industry or the banking industry don't participate in public discourse you're hopelessly naive. All of those vested economic sectors I listed have massive and multiple soapboxes in the public square. And those soapboxes have become much bigger because of right wing SCOTUS rulings essentially saying that corporations are individuals and money is speech

but besides the public square, all those right-leaning economic interests are full participants in lawmaking thru lobbying & campaign contributions

as for media, you might want to account for Fox News, the Sinclair and Clear Channel monopolies, the heavy right wing bias of talk radio, and the fairly even split in what's left of print media

if you actually think the industrial political arena has the same influence on the public as the media, i don't know what to tell you...

i mean the media can control which industrial political voice they care to amplify even.

I see major flaws in your rebuttal.

 

[Orion Bailey]

if you actually believe the oil and gas industry or the banking industry don't participate in public discourse you're hopelessly naive. All of those vested economic sectors I listed have massive and multiple soapboxes in the public square. And those soapboxes have become much bigger because of right wing SCOTUS rulings essentially saying that corporations are individuals and money is speech

but besides the public square, all those right-leaning economic interests are full participants in lawmaking thru lobbying & campaign contributions

as for media, you might want to account for Fox News, the Sinclair and Clear Channel monopolies, the heavy right wing bias of talk radio, and the fairly even split in what's left of print media

i also posted links for you about media ownership so your last statement is irrelevant as well.

 

[wizenheimer]

i also posted links for you about media ownership so your last statement is irrelevant as well.

LOL...funny that I think my statements are completely relevant. I wonder if relevance is subjective?

 

[Orion Bailey]

LOL...funny that I think my statements are completely relevant. I wonder if relevance is subjective?

i apologize if you missed my reasons for them being irrelevant. Would you like me to repeat?

 

[Orion Bailey]

LOL...funny that I think my statements are completely relevant. I wonder if relevance is subjective?

and if you think they are irrelevant, and i think they are irrelevant, what are you even disputing?

 

[Orion Bailey]

And for the record, another reason your list of right leaning entities is irrelevant is the media has a moral obligation to provide unbiased truths. Though it would be nice, industrial companies are not held to the same standard, so comparing them is comparing apples to automobiles... irrelevant.

at any rate i provided links and reasons why i have my current stance and why i find your rebuttal to my stance as flawed.

 

[calvin natt]

Do Blue Lives Matter now?


https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/1256941104383045632?s=21

 

[magnifier661]

Do Blue Lives Matter now?

Why would this tweet suggest it didn’t?

 

[calvin natt]

Why would this tweet suggest it didn’t?

Seems to me the people who shouted blue lives matter (after those black people had the gall to have black lives matter) are now the ones getting in the cops faces.

 

[magnifier661]

Seems to me the people who shouted blue lives matter (after those black people had the gall to have black lives matter) are now the ones getting in the cops faces.

Blue lives matter does not conflict on them doing their job. They have the right to be physical with unruly protestors. The extreme right wing in this country hate cops. I can give thousands of examples if you want to see them.

 

[Minstrel]

The extreme right wing in this country hate cops.

I think that was his point. It was mostly the extreme right wing that yelled "Blue lives matter"--it's obvious that that actually had nothing to do with respecting police, it was just a convenient way to attack something they hated even more: black people.

And, again, I'm talking about the extreme right wing. I don't think all conservatives are hostile to black people.

 

[magnifier661]

I think that was his point. It was mostly the extreme right wing that yelled "Blue lives matter"--it's obvious that that actually had nothing to do with respecting police, it was just a convenient way to attack something they hated even more: black people.

And, again, I'm talking about the extreme right wing. I don't think all conservatives are hostile to black people.

Extreme Right wingers do not support blue lives. Maybe your idea of extreme right wingers are anyone on the right of your political alignment.

 

[magnifier661]

In fact, extreme right wingers are the cause of the most police attacks.

https://www.adl.org/blog/officers-down-right-wing-extremists-attacking-police-at-growing-rate

 

[Minstrel]

Extreme Right wingers do not support blue lives. Maybe your idea of extreme right wingers are anyone on the right of your political alignment.

Nope. You're pretty right of me and I don't consider you one. Also, if you'd actually read my post, I specifically said extreme right-wingers don't actually support police. But at least some of them pretend to in order to shout down black people, whom they like even less.

 

[magnifier661]

Nope. You're pretty right of me and I don't consider you one. Also, if you'd actually read my post, I specifically said extreme right-wingers don't actually support police. But at least some of them pretend to in order to shout down black people, whom they like even less.

Ah, okay I misread your post then.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

oh for chrissakes...really?

my god the whiny complaints about media from the right is so fucking myopic

* the oil and gas industry leans heavily right
* the banking industry leans heavily right
* investment houses lean heavily right
* the home building industry leans heavily right
* the insurance industry leans heavily right
* the defense-industrial complex leans heavily right
* mining and timber industries lean heavily right
* manufacturing leans right

* the electoral college has a right leaning bias because of demographics. The same is true of the US Senate and the result is that the courts lean a lot more to the right than the majority of people

for decades I've listened to R's try and cast themselves as victims because of the media. Meanwhile, the vast majority of economic vested interests support the R's and those have had incredible influence over the course of this nation and the trajectory of wealth accumulation.

The R's are the opposite of victims of our system. But yeah, Rachel Maddow has it in for you guys

ripped this from wikipedia:
A free and independent press has been theorized to be a key mechanism of a functioning, healthy democracy. In the absence of censorship, journalism exists as a watchdog of private and government action, providing information to maintain an informed citizenry of voters.
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The problem of a politically bought off and corrupt media whether that is right leaning Fox news type of outlets or left leaning ones is that their politicizing of everything and their misinformation creates a confused, misinformed public. It becomes outlets for brainwashing rather than for helping discover the truth.

So yeah sure there are industries that lean right and industries that lean left and you can argue thats good or bad, but the fact we really cant trust our media (whether its right or left wing), does nothing but cause even more confusion in situations like this.

Industries having lobbyists (no matter which way they lean) doesnt blast out to masses misinformation. The “news” is supposed to be our societies fact-checkers. Its not about it being “fair” to the right or the left IMO its that we should be able trust what they’re saying at least to a reasonable extent and Id say a majority of people dont trust them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

 

[calvin natt]

Trump yelling ‘fake news’ incessantly for three years has been more influential than anything. He’s got everyone believing that every single thing from CNN, and ALL networks except Fox is fake. In reality that isn’t true. It’s one thing to have “leaning” media one way or the other. But when the President says it’s all fake for years, he’s got his sheep saying the same thing.