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What is interesting about the numbers is I wonder how much of it is just confirmation bias. Democrats ‘trust’ the media more because it tells them what they want to hear. Republicans dont trust the media because it conflicts with their wordviews. Kind of interesting how the numbers have changed since the 70’s.
 
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wizenheimer said:
oh for chrissakes...really?

my god the whiny complaints about media from the right is so fucking myopic

* the oil and gas industry leans heavily right
* the banking industry leans heavily right
* investment houses lean heavily right
* the home building industry leans heavily right
* the insurance industry leans heavily right
* the defense-industrial complex leans heavily right
* mining and timber industries lean heavily right
* manufacturing leans right

* the electoral college has a right leaning bias because of demographics. The same is true of the US Senate and the result is that the courts lean a lot more to the right than the majority of people

for decades I've listened to R's try and cast themselves as victims because of the media. Meanwhile, the vast majority of economic vested interests support the R's and those have had incredible influence over the course of this nation and the trajectory of wealth accumulation.

The R's are the opposite of victims of our system. But yeah, Rachel Maddow has it in for you guys
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Thank you !...thanks for reminded some people how hypocritical and how biased their own new sources are.

Anyone who doesn't realize that many news outlets/sources are subsidize/paid for by special interest groups is kidding themselves.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Thank you !...thanks for reminded some people how hypocritical and how biased their own new sources are.

Anyone who doesn't realize that many news outlets/sources are subsidize/paid for by special interest groups is kidding themselves.
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Umm thats what we have been saying needs to change........
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
ripped this from wikipedia:
A free and independent press has been theorized to be a key mechanism of a functioning, healthy democracy. In the absence of censorship, journalism exists as a watchdog of private and government action, providing information to maintain an informed citizenry of voters.
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The problem of a politically bought off and corrupt media whether that is right leaning Fox news type of outlets or left leaning ones is that their politicizing of everything and their misinformation creates a confused, misinformed public. It becomes outlets for brainwashing rather than for helping discover the truth.

So yeah sure there are industries that lean right and industries that lean left and you can argue thats good or bad, but the fact we really cant trust our media (whether its right or left wing), does nothing but cause even more confusion in situations like this.

Industries having lobbyists (no matter which way they lean) doesnt blast out to masses misinformation. The “news” is supposed to be our societies fact-checkers. Its not about it being “fair” to the right or the left IMO its that we should be able trust what they’re saying at least to a reasonable extent and Id say a majority of people dont trust them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx
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the biggest flaw to that philosophy has always been present in modern democracy: that being the argument that a 'free press' is essential and then allowing the same free press to be privatized. This started before the Nation was founded. When a newspaper or tv station is a private entity with owner(s), the issue is already there because any owner can influence the news. If you're actually concerned about quality and truth in reporting, this flaw in the system is the original sin

but that's always been the case, and for a damn long time in this nation, the 'media' was right-wing. Southern newspapers were cheerleading secession and forming the Confederacy, and going to war for slavery. Northern newspapers later were cheerleaders for Manifest Destiny and the displacement of Native Americans. The vast majority of newspapers cheered us into WW1, stupidly. And the same outlets cheered us into the Korean War and gave a platform for several years to Joe McCarthy and his witch-hunts. The same thing happened in Vietnam; and for the longest time during that era, the media bias was in favor of the establishment and against the protests and anti-war movement

and of course there's been a 2-3 decade campaign by the right side of the political spectrum to demonize media as "left wing". The agenda behind that is laughably obvious. Just as obvious is that there is no shortage of sources for right of center posters in this forum to link. They do that dozens of times a day. There isn't a shortage of 'right-wing' news in this nation, and there certainly isn't a shortage of center-oriented news

I still think the idea that there's a left wing media bias is mostly bullshit. Media isn't biased to the left, or right, as much as it's biased in favor of conflict and controversy and friction and scandal and sensationalism. And why is that? because that's viewed as profitable and that loops right back around to what I said in the first part of this....that's the original sin and the flaw in depending on a free press when in reality, it's not a free press, it's a for-profit press
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and again, when R's whine about being victimized by left wing media, it's a small piece of the puzzle, even if it is true. That's because media is not the only industry that influences policy and taxation and resource usage and all the other things that weave together our society

logically, if there was an effective left wing bias to media, and it meant anything, we wouldn't have had 24 of the last 40 years under Republican presidents, or a federal judiciary that leans so heavily right, or the last two republican presidents getting into office while their opponent got more votes
 
wizenheimer said:
the biggest flaw to that philosophy has always been present in modern democracy: that being the argument that a 'free press' is essential and then allowing the same free press to be privatized. This started before the Nation was founded. When a newspaper or tv station is a private entity with owner(s), the issue is already there because any owner can influence the news. If you're actually concerned about quality and truth in reporting, this flaw in the system is the original sin

but that's always been the case, and for a damn long time in this nation, the 'media' was right-wing. Southern newspapers were cheerleading secession and forming the Confederacy, and going to war for slavery. Northern newspapers later were cheerleaders for Manifest Destiny and the displacement of Native Americans. The vast majority of newspapers cheered us into WW1, stupidly. And the same outlets cheered us into the Korean War and gave a platform for several years to Joe McCarthy and his witch-hunts. The same thing happened in Vietnam; and for the longest time during that era, the media bias was in favor of the establishment and against the protests and anti-war movement

and of course there's been a 2-3 decade campaign by the right side of the political spectrum to demonize media as "left wing". The agenda behind that is laughably obvious. Just as obvious is that there is no shortage of sources for right of center posters in this forum to link. They do that dozens of times a day. There isn't a shortage of 'right-wing' news in this nation, and there certainly isn't a shortage of center-oriented news

I still think the idea that there's a left wing media bias is mostly bullshit. Media isn't biased to the left, or right, as much as it's biased in favor of conflict and controversy and friction and scandal and sensationalism. And why is that? because that's viewed as profitable and that loops right back around to what I said in the first part of this....that's the original sin and the flaw in depending on a free press when in reality, it's not a free press, it's a for-profit press
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and again, when R's whine about being victimized by left wing media, it's a small piece of the puzzle, even if it is true. That's because media is not the only industry that influences policy and taxation and resource usage and all the other things that weave together our society

logically, if there was an effective left wing bias to media, and it meant anything, we wouldn't have had 24 of the last 40 years under Republican presidents, or a federal judiciary that leans so heavily right, or the last two republican presidents getting into office while their opponent got more votes
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R’s whine, D’s whine, I’s whine. Cheese companies excel.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So is this where i state my opinion that i think the dnc media used this virus as a tool to go after Trump?

that i think the media, largely controlled by democratic and liberal political agendas from their corporate owners, use their media powers to instill their agenda on the public trying to pass it off as news, so they can guide the sheeple to vote how they want? And when the virus came to light, they jumped aT the opportunity to use it against Trump any chance they could, when the odds are, no matter who was in office, this likely would have played out the same?

Dnc media pounds Trump for his reactions to the virus, when its the media who controls the messages and the truth they decide to hand out.
Leftist media should be ashamed of themselves.
Do they ever wait for true facts before they jump on the “gotcha” narrative?
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What Orion Bailey says:
"So is this where i state my opinion that i think the dnc media used this virus as a tool to go after Trump?

that i think the media, largely controlled by democratic and liberal political agendas from their corporate owners, use their media powers to instill their agenda on the public trying to pass it off as news, so they can guide the sheeple to vote how they want? And when the virus came to light, they jumped aT the opportunity to use it against Trump any chance they could, when the odds are, no matter who was in office, this likely would have played out the same?

Dnc media pounds Trump for his reactions to the virus, when its the media who controls the messages and the truth they decide to hand out.
Leftist media should be ashamed of themselves.
Do they ever wait for true facts before they jump on the “gotcha” narrative?"

What I hear:
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah"

Sorry Orion, although I do disagree with you, this was meant to be humorous and nothing else. It's a take off of a cartoon by Gary Larson of the Far Side about what a master says and a dog hears which someone else posted in this forum and I found humorous. It's actually something that I posted maybe a year or so ago (the dog joke). Think of me as the dog if you will and that should get Sly on my side.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Ignore button is right over there...>>>
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No need to ignore. I don't see you posting personal insults so I have the option of not responding if I wish. Now, if you offered up personal insults, or anyone else for that matter, then I'd treat it differently.
Why can't people disagree with someone without taking it personal? Insults, yeah, but with no insult?
 
Lanny said:
What Orion Bailey says:
"So is this where i state my opinion that i think the dnc media used this virus as a tool to go after Trump?

that i think the media, largely controlled by democratic and liberal political agendas from their corporate owners, use their media powers to instill their agenda on the public trying to pass it off as news, so they can guide the sheeple to vote how they want? And when the virus came to light, they jumped aT the opportunity to use it against Trump any chance they could, when the odds are, no matter who was in office, this likely would have played out the same?

Dnc media pounds Trump for his reactions to the virus, when its the media who controls the messages and the truth they decide to hand out.
Leftist media should be ashamed of themselves.
Do they ever wait for true facts before they jump on the “gotcha” narrative?"

What I hear:
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah"

Sorry Orion, although I do disagree with you, this was meant to be humorous and nothing else. It's a take off of a cartoon by Gary Larson of the Far Side about what a master says and a dog hears which someone else posted in this forum and I found humorous. It's actually something that I posted maybe a year or so ago (the dog joke). Think of me as the dog if you will and that should get Sly on my side.
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This sums up a lot of posts here. :biglaugh:

 
Hobbesarable said:
This sums up a lot of posts here. :biglaugh:

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I'm going to make a dramatic confession. I may have been the author of one or two posts that others found equally engrossing. A shocking discovery for most of my fans out there.
Okay, maybe my brain isn't as massive as I have led you all to believe but that dong, wow. My dong says something about my massive hands.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
What is interesting about the numbers is I wonder how much of it is just confirmation bias. Democrats ‘trust’ the media more because it tells them what they want to hear. Republicans don't trust the media because it conflicts with their wordviews. Kind of interesting how the numbers have changed since the 70’s.
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Good morning!

Fact checking has become harder and harder. The very definition of fact its self is getting greyer and greyer as far as what is accepted.

I'm guilty. Read a headline and run with it. I think the would would slow down a bit( not a bad thing in my mind) if we all took pause and checked some things out prior to sharing, forwarding, posting, etc.


As much as I believe the media is the instigator, Its still up to each individual to ascertain the validity and honesty of anything they choose to support and push.


We really do need to slow down a bit in my opinion. This is one great way, but if we all don't do it together, then no one will because some will be left behind the curve as they are verifying everything while everyone else just stamps guilty or innocent and moves on.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Good morning!

Fact checking has become harder and harder. The very definition of fact its self is getting greyer and greyer as far as what is accepted.

I'm guilty. Read a headline and run with it. I think the would would slow down a bit( not a bad thing in my mind) if we all took pause and checked some things out prior to sharing, forwarding, posting, etc.


As much as I believe the media is the instigator, Its still up to each individual to ascertain the validity and honesty of anything they choose to support and push.


We really do need to slow down a bit in my opinion. This is one great way, but if we all don't do it together, then no one will because some will be left behind the curve as they are verifying everything while everyone else just stamps guilty or innocent and moves on.
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Are you British? Only the British spell gray G-R-E-Y. A tid bit of trivia.
 
Lanny said:
Are you British? Only the British spell gray G-R-E-Y. A tid bit of trivia.
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I'M like HCP on the Thier/There thing.

Gray, Grey

Grayed out
The sky is grey


I don't know which one is right. and at my age, I don't know that I ever will. :)
 
magnifier661 said:
This is a set-up so he can claim victory when the death toll is lower.
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You think the death toll will be lower? I think it will be quite a bit higher perhaps over 200,000. We will see a second, maybe higher, wave in the Fall especially when combined with the flu. The flu will cause significant over crowding in hospitals. And then there's the issue of loosening the social distancing rules.
I predict that this will be a harsh learning experience.
This is why we all need to pray for an early success of a promising candidate for a vaccine currently being studied at Oxford. We need a vaccine because herd immunity means an awful lot of deaths.
 
Lanny said:
You think the death toll will be lower? I think it will be quite a bit higher perhaps over 200,000. We will see a second, maybe higher, wave in the Fall especially when combined with the flu. The flu will cause significant over crowding in hospitals. And then there's the issue of loosening the social distancing rules.
I predict that this will be a harsh learning experience.
This is why we all need to pray for an early success of a promising candidate for a vaccine currently being studied at Oxford. We need a vaccine because herd immunity means an awful lot of deaths.
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That's my biggest fear...I hope I'm wrong but I think the virus will come back with a vengeance.
 
Lanny said:
You think the death toll will be lower? I think it will be quite a bit higher perhaps over 200,000. We will see a second, maybe higher, wave in the Fall especially when combined with the flu. The flu will cause significant over crowding in hospitals. And then there's the issue of loosening the social distancing rules.
I predict that this will be a harsh learning experience.
This is why we all need to pray for an early success of a promising candidate for a vaccine currently being studied at Oxford. We need a vaccine because herd immunity means an awful lot of deaths.
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I’m not sure yet. The mortality is uncertain with the CDC vetting the deaths from the death certificates. They say they are behind about 2 weeks from the real time reporting. The CDC tracker is at 37k deaths, but two weeks ago, the real time tracker was at 41k. That’s about 4K lower than the real time tracker.
 
magnifier661 said:
His bar was at 240k last month. The Administration is always basing their estimates to the failed IHME model.
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Hmmm...raising the bar by lowering the bar. Sounds like something he'd do.

He's also pointed to lower numbers in the past, not to mention pimping "miracle drugs". He'll also probably point to the higher number he ever predicted in order to make him look even better.

Besides, if as you put it, "The Administration is always basing their estimates to the failed IHME model.", isn't that kinda dumb on their part? I mean why keep using a certain model if it it has indeed been proven "failed" info in the past?
 
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yankeesince59 said:
He's also pointed to lower numbers in the past, not to mention pimping "miracle drugs".

Besides, if as you put it, "The Administration is always basing their estimates to the failed IHME model.", isn't that kinda dumb on their part?
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His estimates have always coincided with the IHME model. That model has been going up and down throughout this pandemic. The miracle drug has nothing to do with this topic, so let’s not roll around in the weeds.

Yes, his Administration was stupid to follow such a failed model as the IHME, which I already said.
 
magnifier661 said:
His estimates have always coincided with the IHME model. That model has been going up and down throughout this pandemic. The miracle drug has nothing to do with this topic, so let’s not roll around in the weeds.

Yes, his Administration was stupid to follow such a failed model as the IHME, which I already said.
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He's been all over the place...among other inane comments/predictions, his absolute best was his claim that the virus would "miraculously disappear"...there is no way to defend his incompetence.
 
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