Could we get Asik?

[Rastapopoulos]

This guy certainly rates Asik highly. So does Tom Thibodeau. So does this guy (but it's Bleacher Report, so it doesn't count).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

"Omer Asik for Defensive Player of the Year"

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think Asik would be a really nice complement on this team ... still, it's hard to see how he ends up in a Blazers' uniform, but here's to hope.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If LA loses Howard, who will be their center? They won't have a lot of options? Sometimes the Lakers will take what they can get.

Maybe. But when the Lakers got Shaq, Orlando did not get Vlade. I don't see the Lakers ever agreeing on a sign-and-trade. They'll dare Houston to try to sign Howard away.

Steve Blake is not exactly showtime.

No, but he was signed as a complementary player in a time when they thought they had a championship-contending roster. He wasn't replacing an All-NBA player.

 

[Rhal]

Maybe. But when the Lakers got Shaq, Orlando did not get Vlade. I don't see the Lakers ever agreeing on a sign-and-trade. They'll dare Houston to try to sign Howard away.


No, but he was signed as a complementary player in a time when they thought they had a championship-contending roster. He wasn't replacing an All-NBA player.

I think the Lakers are prohibited from a S&T since they are so high above the luxury tax. We would just have to hope that Houston wanted to deal Asik's salary away if they acquired Howard, which seeing as their GM is a wheeler and dealer type probably would for picks/young assets.

 

[magnifier661]

I think the Lakers are prohibited from a S&T since they are so high above the luxury tax. We would just have to hope that Houston wanted to deal Asik's salary away if they acquired Howard, which seeing as their GM is a wheeler and dealer type probably would for picks/young assets.

They could always amnesty gasol though and be safe

 

[Hobbesarable]

They could always amnesty gasol though and be safe

Possibly amnesty Kobe. That would be a riot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So: given Patrick Beverley's emergence and his comparatively anemic season (and a playoffs where the only time Houston won was when he didn't play), I wonder if Houston will want to package Lin with Asik. Dumping both would give them ample room to go after Howard, woudn't it? And maybe sign up Maynor, who used to come off the bench with Harden in OKC. Any way we could absorb both Lin and Asik's contracts? (Maybe re-route Lin to LA for Steve Blake back...)

 

[Denny Crane]

So: given Patrick Beverley's emergence and his comparatively anemic season (and a playoffs where the only time Houston won was when he didn't play), I wonder if Houston will want to package Lin with Asik. Dumping both would give them ample room to go after Howard, woudn't it? And maybe sign up Maynor, who used to come off the bench with Harden in OKC. Any way we could absorb both Lin and Asik's contracts? (Maybe re-route Lin to LA for Steve Blake back...)

Yes. Because two in the bush is better than a bird in hand.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yes. Because two in the bush is better than a bird in hand.

You get more gnomic by the day. I'm going to assume this is your idea of a sarcastic diss. And move on.

ANYWAY: it seems obvious to me that Lin and Harden don't work together. Also, that Morey is not one to be stubborn about a player just because he acquired him (see: Nash, Telfair). BUT: I wonder if Lin is attractive to the Rockets for non-on-court reasons, like maintaining their most-favored-team-in-China position.

 

[Denny Crane]

My point is that Houston has Asik. Why trade him away for a chance to get Howard? Why not play him with Howard (twin towers) if they can sign him?

Asik has a great contract at $5M for next season.

Asik is the bird in hand.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2013/4...ury-raises-big-questions-about-howards-future

Of course there's the little question of what Houston would do with Omer Asik should they deal for Howard, but Howard probably won't concern himself with that and neither will the Rockets until he gets close to donning Rockets red.

The Rockets won't be able to offer Dwight a five-year max contract without a sign and trade, but if Daryl Morey allows Carlos Delfino and some other non-guaranteed contracts to walk, the Rockets should have at least $17 million-$18 million to work with in the off-season. Morey could easily flick his magic wand and free up enough room to sign Dwight at a four-year max deal by swapping Thomas Robinson or another combination of young guaranteed players for draft picks.

 

[magnifier661]

I just don't see Houston getting Howard. I think Howard's agent will use the Houston interest to drive up his asking price. I think two scenarios will play out.

1.) Atlanta resigns smith and signs Howard outright.

2.) three way deal between lakers, Brooklyn and minny; sending Howard to Brooklyn, love to lakers and Lopez to minny.

I see 2 being the most likely because they are probably going to lose Pek. Then they can go after a PF this summer via free agency.

 

[illmatic99]

Asking price for what? Regardless of where he ends up, he'll get the max.

 

[Pinwheel1]

1.) Atlanta resigns smith and signs Howard outright.

I think Atlanta has had enough of Smith. Also his lack of jump shot and the ability to spread the floor would not fit in with Howard. I hope Howard goes to Atlanta, but he really has not shown much desire to do so.

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/05/04/josh-smiths-time-with-atlanta-hawks-ends-fittingly/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

My point is that Houston has Asik. Why trade him away for a chance to get Howard? Why not play him with Howard (twin towers) if they can sign him?

That would NOT work. You need ONE big who can shoot outside of three feet. Asik does not complement Howard at all.

 

[Denny Crane]

That would NOT work. You need ONE big who can shoot outside of three feet. Asik does not complement Howard at all.

For $5M, they have a great insurance policy and backup C. They don't need a big who can shoot outside of three feet. They'd have two DPOY candidates instead. They'd also have a C who could put up 25/game to go with Harden who does likewise. They also have two guys (Harden, Parsons) who put up about 900 3pt shots between them (more than 10/game), along with Lin's 250. I don't think they need more outside shooting.

If they're going to trade him, it'd be for a really good player on a similar $5M contract. Or wait a year and trade him for a player with a similar $15M contract.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

For $5M, they have a great insurance policy and backup C. They don't need a big who can shoot outside of three feet. They'd have two DPOY candidates instead. They'd also have a C who could put up 25/game to go with Harden who does likewise. They also have two guys (Harden, Parsons) who put up about 900 3pt shots between them (more than 10/game), along with Lin's 250. I don't think they need more outside shooting.

If they're going to trade him, it'd be for a really good player on a similar $5M contract. Or wait a year and trade him for a player with a similar $15M contract.

I show Asik making 8.3 million/yr

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I show Asik making 8.3 million/yr

I think the contract sites are averaging the contract. You will notice every year says 8.3 something.

If I recall the contract was something like 5 MIL for year 1, 5 Mil for year 2 and 15 MIL for year 3.

 

[magnifier661]

I think the contract sites are averaging the contract. You will notice every year says 8.3 something.

If I recall the contract was something like 5 MIL for year 1, 5 Mil for year 2 and 15 MIL for year 3.

Is that possible? I thought at most you can have a 25% raise. 5 mil to 15 mil is a huge jump. That's 300%

 

[RR7]

the cap hit is 8.3 across all 3, but they pay out 5,5,15 or whatever.

 

[RR7]

Is that possible? I thought at most you can have a 25% raise. 5 mil to 15 mil is a huge jump. That's 300%

it's part of the gilbert arenas rule, can only start at MLE level for first 2 years, but can average whatever cap space a team had.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Is that possible? I thought at most you can have a 25% raise. 5 mil to 15 mil is a huge jump. That's 300%

Actually I think they had to change it slightly as the NBA determined they couldn't make that huge of a jump. That was the original contract they submitted to the league though.

Not sure how it all shook out after the League looked at it but pretty sure his contract is not really 8.37 MIL each and every year.

 

[magnifier661]

it's part of the gilbert arenas rule, can only start at MLE level for first 2 years, but can average whatever cap space a team had.

Okay that makes sense.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think the contract sites are averaging the contract. You will notice every year says 8.3 something.

If I recall the contract was something like 5 MIL for year 1, 5 Mil for year 2 and 15 MIL for year 3.

This is right.

The contract is 5-5-15. If the Bulls matched, it would have been 5, 5, and then 15 against their cap. The 15 is what made them balk. Houston counts $8.33M per year against it's cap. It's the CBA rule.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Question: are we under the cap enough to absorb Asik's salary? Could we do a #10 for Asik trade? (Whether or not we'd want to - I would - is another matter.)

 

[magnifier661]

Question: are we under the cap enough to absorb Asik's salary? Could we do a #10 for Asik trade? (Whether or not we'd want to - I would - is another matter.)

Yes we have enough. No they wouldn't do it

 

[Rhal]

The only way we get asik is if hou gets howard and whoever we take in the draft hou wants. Would love it to happen but it won't.

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[santeesioux]

We don't actually have the cap space until after the draft anyway, right? I guess they could agree to the trade then, but we'd have to draft the player they wanted and hope they get Howard. Too much of a gamble tbh.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So... how much cap space do we have RIGHT NOW, and how much will we have after the draft?