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In the US, yes Trump fucked up. But. There is a lot more to this story yet to unfold.

I'm convinced the CDC needs to be completely investigated and audited. It is very clear the agencys bureaucracy was incompetent to handle this crises, the very reason it was created.

Example. With such a shortage of tests. Why did the CDC refuse offers of tests from WHO and other countries that were known to work?

Lack of knowledge has been the biggest problem in this fight against the virus. The biggest roadblock to finding that knowledge has been the CDC.
 
oldfisherman said:
In the US, yes Trump fucked up. But. There is a lot more to this story yet to unfold.

I'm convinced the CDC needs to be completely investigated and audited. It is very clear the agencys bureaucracy was incompetent to handle this crises, the very reason it was created.

Example. With such a shortage of tests. Why did the CDC refuse offers of tests from WHO and other countries that were known to work?

Lack of knowledge has been the biggest problem in this fight against the virus. The biggest roadblock to finding that knowledge has been the CDC.
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The CDC has been under funded and politicized under the Trump presidency, just like pretty much every other agency.
 
donkiez said:
The CDC has been under funded and politicized under the Trump presidency, just like pretty much every other agency.
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CDC budget hasn't been cut.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

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SharpesTriumph said:
Wet markets for allowing it to infect humankind.

In the US, Trump for waging a war on science truth fact. Now we are following Italy instead of South Korea.
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If you are blaming the wet markets, it's not the wet market itself, but the disgusting, unhygienic and savage behavior of the Chinese people and culture that is to blame.
 
donkiez said:
The CDC has been under funded and politicized under the Trump presidency, just like pretty much every other agency.
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First, what does the funding have to do with the CDC refusing good test kits from WHO and other countries?

Second, Trumps proposed 2021 cuts are in limbo, the budget has not been approved yet.

Third. The budget cuts Trump proposed for 2019 were overruled by congress. There was no cut in CDC funding last year.

In 2018. The CDC received $11.1 BILLION. You call that underfunded?
 
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oldfisherman said:
First, what does the funding have to do with the CDC refusing good test kits from WHO and other countries?

Second, Trumps proposed 2021 cuts are in limbo, the budget has not been approved yet.

Third. The budget cuts Trump proposed for 2019 were overruled by congress. There was no cut in CDC funding last year.

In 2018. The CDC received $11,1 BILLION. You call that underfunded?
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It is standard procedure for the CDC to acquire domestically produced test kits per my understanding. My belief is they never asked WHO for test kits nor were they offered.
 
tlongII said:
It is standard procedure for the CDC to acquire domestically produced test kits per my understanding. My belief is they never asked WHO for test kits nor were they offered.
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WHO offered test kits to every country. Last WHO report I have seen, 60 countries received kits, and the USA refused the offer. Plus several other countries offered test kits. I believe S. Korea was one of them.
 
oldfisherman said:
WHO offered test kits to every country. Last WHO report I have seen, 60 countries received kits, and the USA refused the offer. Plus several other countries offered test kits. I believe S. Korea was one of them.
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Well what I’ve read stated there was no offer because the CDC never gets test kits from the WHO.
 
oldfisherman said:
In the US, yes Trump fucked up. But. There is a lot more to this story yet to unfold.

I'm convinced the CDC needs to be completely investigated and audited. It is very clear the agencys bureaucracy was incompetent to handle this crises, the very reason it was created.

Example. With such a shortage of tests. Why did the CDC refuse offers of tests from WHO and other countries that were known to work?

Lack of knowledge has been the biggest problem in this fight against the virus. The biggest roadblock to finding that knowledge has been the CDC.
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Rather than blame the CDC, a stellar organization, I'd place the blame at disbanding the White House pandemic response team. This should have been handled by them. Also, White House officials were briefed by the Obama transition team on pandemic attacks but about 2/3 of those people who were briefed are now gone. General ineptness.
 
oldfisherman said:
WHO offered test kits to every country. Last WHO report I have seen, 60 countries received kits, and the USA refused the offer. Plus several other countries offered test kits. I believe S. Korea was one of them.
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The WHO test kits were never offered and never turned down. Wealthy countries design and implement their own test kits and WHO test kits are only offered to poor countries. This is per FACTCHECK.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/biden-trump-wrong-about-who-coronavirus-tests/
 
oldfisherman said:
First, what does the funding have to do with the CDC refusing good test kits from WHO and other countries?

Second, Trumps proposed 2021 cuts are in limbo, the budget has not been approved yet.

Third. The budget cuts Trump proposed for 2019 were overruled by congress. There was no cut in CDC funding last year.

In 2018. The CDC received $11.1 BILLION. You call that underfunded?
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The fact that Trump tried to cut the budget of the CDC tells you something about how inept he is at being President. He should stick to screwing people who build and operate his towers. He's good at that.
 
No one is to blame for existence of a virus, but how people and governments respond is under their control. Korea kept epidemic under control. Mass testing, stay home, ramped up health care. US government although briefed said it's a hoax, it would go away, blame Democrats, China, media. So called press conferences are Trump rallies with maybe 10 minutes information and rest praising Trump while he lies over and over.

State officials telling people to go out to dinner, party at the beach.

Saying job of federal government isn't keeping essential supplies. Saying supplies available when they are not. Telling states not to release unemployment numbers. It's all about Trump's election campaign, what can make him look good. Giving him an enemy to rally his base against.
 
Monetary aid being blocked by Democrats. Rent and mortgage forgiveness being blocked by Democrats.
 
oldfisherman said:
In the US, yes Trump fucked up. But. There is a lot more to this story yet to unfold.

I'm convinced the CDC needs to be completely investigated and audited. It is very clear the agencys bureaucracy was incompetent to handle this crises, the very reason it was created.

Example. With such a shortage of tests. Why did the CDC refuse offers of tests from WHO and other countries that were known to work?

Lack of knowledge has been the biggest problem in this fight against the virus. The biggest roadblock to finding that knowledge has been the CDC.
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Trump is in charge of the CDC. When agencies have a priority of PR and spin instead of science this is a result. The close minded attitude of make America great, we don't need tests from lesser countries we can make our own.
 
crandc said:
No one is to blame for existence of a virus, but how people and governments respond is under their control. Korea kept epidemic under control. Mass testing, stay home, ramped up health care. US government although briefed said it's a hoax, it would go away, blame Democrats, China, media. So called press conferences are Trump rallies with maybe 10 minutes information and rest praising Trump while he lies over and over.

State officials telling people to go out to dinner, party at the beach.

Saying job of federal government isn't keeping essential supplies. Saying supplies available when they are not. Telling states not to release unemployment numbers. It's all about Trump's election campaign, what can make him look good. Giving him an enemy to rally his base against.
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I’ll disagree with your first statement. It’s clear this virus originated with the wet markets of China.
 
The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.

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Viruses like the novel coronavirus are shells holding genetic material.

(Image: © Andriy Onufriyenko/Getty Images)

As the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 spreads across the globe, with cases surpassing 284,000 worldwide today (March 20), misinformation is spreading almost as fast.

One persistent myth is that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

A new analysis of SARS-CoV-2 may finally put that latter idea to bed. A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article.

Related: 13 coronavirus myths busted by science

Kristian Andersen, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research, and his colleagues looked at the genetic template for the spike proteins that protrude from the surface of the virus. The coronavirus uses these spikes to grab the outer walls of its host's cells and then enter those cells. They specifically looked at the gene sequences responsible for two key features of these spike proteins: the grabber, called the receptor-binding domain, that hooks onto host cells; and the so-called cleavage site that allows the virus to open and enter those cells.

That analysis showed that the "hook" part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

Here's why: SARS-CoV-2 is very closely related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which fanned across the globe nearly 20 years ago. Scientists have studied how SARS-CoV differs from SARS-CoV-2 — with several key letter changes in the genetic code. Yet in computer simulations, the mutations in SARS-CoV-2 don't seem to work very well at helping the virus bind to human cells. If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

"If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.

Where did the virus come from? The research group came up with two possible scenarios for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. One scenario follows the origin stories for a few other recent coronaviruses that have wreaked havoc in human populations. In that scenario, we contracted the virus directly from an animal — civets in the case of SARS and camels in the case of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the researchers suggest that animal was a bat, which transmitted the virus to another intermediate animal (possibly a pangolin, some scientists have said) that brought the virus to humans.

Related: 20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history

In that possible scenario, the genetic features that make the new coronavirus so effective at infecting human cells (its pathogenic powers) would have been in place before hopping to humans.

In the other scenario, those pathogenic features would have evolved only after the virus jumped from its animal host to humans. Some coronaviruses that originated in pangolins have a "hook structure" (that receptor binding domain) similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. In that way, a pangolin either directly or indirectly passed its virus onto a human host. Then, once inside a human host, the virus could have evolved to have its other stealth feature — the cleavage site that lets it easily break into human cells. Once it developed that capacity, the researchers said, the coronavirus would be even more capable of spreading between people.

All of this technical detail could help scientists forecast the future of this pandemic. If the virus did enter human cells in a pathogenic form, that raises the probability of future outbreaks. The virus could still be circulating in the animal population and might again jump to humans, ready to cause an outbreak. But the chances of such future outbreaks are lower if the virus must first enter the human population and then evolve the pathogenic properties, the researchers said.

Coronavirus science and news
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

 
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