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Usually it's when a team is trying to bust a move.

Houston let Parsons go because they were chasing Bosh.

GSW just let Barnes go because they were signing Durant. They also let Ezeli go.

Boston is letting Sullinger go..... not sure about that move.
 
I would say go to Hark and give him 2 options -- play this year on QO OR take a 2yr -- player option deal at 2 yrs for 18 to 21m

OR let him walk but i am starting to come around to the keep assets for future so you can make a trade.
 
Hmm, not sure how I feel about this... I just worry that Paul will have to wait a few years to buy another submarine.
 
Sullinger is who Brooklyn should now go after.

BTW there's a difference between not matching an offer sheet and rescinding the QO making a player a UFA. Barnes and Sullinger both had their offers rescinded.

I also don't think Wes was a RFA
 
I'm not a big fan of this signing. I think this contract will make Crabbe almost impossible to move. I put Mo at about the same level in terms of value. So now if a team now throws big money at Mo we are forced to match again. Then we offer CJ a max.

If that happens, I think we are pretty much "stuck" with this team for Dame's prime and I just don't see this as even close to a championship team. I think we see more 2nd round exits with immovable contracts.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I'm not a big fan of this signing. I think this contract will make Crabbe almost impossible to move. I put Mo at about the same level in terms of value. So now if a team now throws big money at Mo we are forced to match again. Then we offer CJ a max.

If that happens, I think we are pretty much "stuck" with this team for Dame's prime and I just don't see this as even close to a championship team. I think we see more 2nd round exits with immovable contracts.

I hope I'm wrong.
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So I guess the question is what is OUR best option for getting a championship team for Dame's prime?

Draft? (Takes 3-4 years for a rookie to be effective in the playoffs)
Free agency? No history in Portland in landing the super star needed
Trade? In better position now than before.....
What other option am I missing?
 
Great that we are keeping our asset (Crabbe). He was a very good, if not the best, player off our bench last season.
For those, worried about his trade-ability.......he'll bring a similar salary in return....how is that Bad for us??
Yes, Neil will be stressed to figure out the financials between now and February. Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy a good bench on this team!!!
 
That's a lot of money for a guy who played well for 1 season, but i guess we had no choice so...whatever, good job Neil..... i guess.... lol.
 
Crabbe,Plumlee and Mayers seems like a 'nice' package for Vucevic or Okafor doesn't it?

Oh Neil, please do that thing where you trade a few mediocre players for 1 all-star:breakfast:
 
Losing Crabbe would have really weakened the bench, so I understand why the blazers matched, but it could backfire big time if Crabbe gets injured or doesn't live up to the deal.

With Plumlee and CJ's extensions coming up, we're gonna see a huge trade at some point. Maybe we'll get that consolidation trade we've all been pining for for the last decade.

SPAM away!
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So I guess the question is what is OUR best option for getting a championship team for Dame's prime?

Draft? (Takes 3-4 years for a rookie to be effective in the playoffs)
Free agency? No history in Portland in landing the super star needed
Trade? In better position now than before.....
What other option am I missing?
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I do think our options were / are limited. But hey, if Paul Allen is willing to spend $200M to see where this goes, I'm ok with it. However, I don't think we should get our hopes up that this is a championship contender.

As for being in a better position for a trade now, I disagree with that. I think that a player could have been had for MUCH less that would / could produce most of what Crabbe will. That player would have been much easier to trade, IMO. I just don't think it is necessary to spend $18M on a bench player.
 


There's your landing spot for Crabbe if you want to trade him next year.
 
I just posted this in the stickied Blazers Salary Cap Info thread:

Here are my current calcs for where the Blazers will be next year (2017-18):
- Assumed CAP: $102,000,000
- Assumed Tax Level: $122,000,000
- Assumed CJ will get max contract
- Assume Plumlee extension: $12,000,000

Damian Lillard, $26,070,900
CJ McCollum, $23,908,071 (max assumed)
Allen Crabbe, $18,500,000
Evan Turner, $17,131,148
Mason Plumlee, $12,000,000 (assumed)
Meyers Leonard, $9,904,494
Al-Farouq Aminu, $7,319,035
Festus Ezeli, $7,330,000
Ed Davis, $6,352, 531
Noah Vonleh, $3,505,233
Shabazz Napier, $2,361,360
Pat Connaughton, $1,014,746
Jake Layman, $905,249
Louis Montero, $1,014,756
Mo Harkless, ?
Anderson Varejao (waived-stretched), $1,984,005

Total Salaries: $140,988,997

With the tax level at $122,000,000, the Blazers will be over the tax limit by $18,988,997. That will cause a tax penalty of:
$7.5M (first $5M over) + $8.75M (second $5M over) + $12.5M (third $5M over) + $3.25 x $3,988,997 = $41.75M

By matching Crabbe's offer, we've essentially guaranteed we won't be bringing Plumlee and/or Harkless back in 2017-18, or a significant cost savings trade has to happen.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Crabbe,Plumlee and Mayers seems like a 'nice' package for Vucevic or Okafor doesn't it?

Oh Neil, please do that thing where you trade a few mediocre players for 1 all-star:breakfast:
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For Vucevic?? That's an overpay and a half... Plumlee and Vucevic aren't even that different when you look at their advanced stats.
 
I thought it wasn't good business to sign him due to how the contract was lay out. But now I really don't think he be earning his bonuses coming off the bench. What ever his bonuses was going to be. So now it is 18.5 year contract for 4 years I believe the 4 year has a option plus the trade kicker. I do like him he has improve alot hope he continue to live up to his contract. Neil said he is going bring back his RFA and so I expect him to sign Harkless next.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I'm not a big fan of this signing. I think this contract will make Crabbe almost impossible to move. I put Mo at about the same level in terms of value. So now if a team now throws big money at Mo we are forced to match again. Then we offer CJ a max.

If that happens, I think we are pretty much "stuck" with this team for Dame's prime and I just don't see this as even close to a championship team. I think we see more 2nd round exits with immovable contracts.

I hope I'm wrong.
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We'd have no cap space in the next 3 years regardless. So we had the choice of stuck with this team including Crabbe or stuck with this team without Crabbe.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I do think our options were / are limited. But hey, if Paul Allen is willing to spend $200M to see where this goes, I'm ok with it. However, I don't think we should get our hopes up that this is a championship contender.

As for being in a better position for a trade now, I disagree with that. I think that a player could have been had for MUCH less that would / could produce most of what Crabbe will. That player would have been much easier to trade, IMO. I just don't think it is necessary to spend $18M on a bench player.
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I am by no means trying to belittle your opinion, because it has merit. But it's hard to totally agree unless I know who else we could have gotten who was as good, (but cheaper) as well as knowing what we would have needed to give up to get him. Because I think at this point we would have had to trade some of our other assets to get that player.

I would rather have those assets AND Crabbe available just in case an opportunity for a better trade does actually occurs.
I am just playing devil's advocate here.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I just posted this in the stickied Blazers Salary Cap Info thread:

Here are my current calcs for where the Blazers will be next year (2017-18):
- Assumed CAP: $102,000,000
- Assumed Tax Level: $122,000,000
- Assumed CJ will get max contract
- Assume Plumlee extension: $12,000,000

Damian Lillard, $26,070,900
CJ McCollum, $23,908,071 (max assumed)
Allen Crabbe, $18,500,000
Evan Turner, $17,131,148
Mason Plumlee, $12,000,000 (assumed)
Meyers Leonard, $9,904,494
Al-Farouq Aminu, $7,319,035
Festus Ezeli, $7,330,000
Ed Davis, $6,352, 531
Noah Vonleh, $3,505,233
Shabazz Napier, $2,361,360
Pat Connaughton, $1,014,746
Jake Layman, $905,249
Louis Montero, $1,014,756
Mo Harkless, ?
Anderson Varejao (waived-stretched), $1,984,005

Total Salaries: $140,988,997

With the tax level at $122,000,000, the Blazers will be over the tax limit by $18,988,997. That will cause a tax penalty of:
$7.5M (first $5M over) + $8.75M (second $5M over) + $12.5M (third $5M over) + $3.25 x $3,988,997 = $41.75M

By matching Crabbe's offer, we've essentially guaranteed we won't be bringing Plumlee and/or Harkless back in 2017-18, or a significant cost savings trade has to happen.
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We have Ezeli, Leonard, and Davis who can all okay center so I guarantee we would get rid of Plumlee over Harkless. There's no way we can find enough minutes for all of them right now so I'm hoping we trade him this offseason for a draft pick. Then we'd have 2 extra 1st round picks to throw into trades and all of our 1sts as well. Either that out we could package a couple to move into the late lotto on draft day 2017.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I just posted this in the stickied Blazers Salary Cap Info thread:

Here are my current calcs for where the Blazers will be next year (2017-18):
- Assumed CAP: $102,000,000
- Assumed Tax Level: $122,000,000
- Assumed CJ will get max contract
- Assume Plumlee extension: $12,000,000

Damian Lillard, $26,070,900
CJ McCollum, $23,908,071 (max assumed)
Allen Crabbe, $18,500,000
Evan Turner, $17,131,148
Mason Plumlee, $12,000,000 (assumed)
Meyers Leonard, $9,904,494
Al-Farouq Aminu, $7,319,035
Festus Ezeli, $7,330,000
Ed Davis, $6,352, 531
Noah Vonleh, $3,505,233
Shabazz Napier, $2,361,360
Pat Connaughton, $1,014,746
Jake Layman, $905,249
Louis Montero, $1,014,756
Mo Harkless, ?
Anderson Varejao (waived-stretched), $1,984,005

Total Salaries: $140,988,997

With the tax level at $122,000,000, the Blazers will be over the tax limit by $18,988,997. That will cause a tax penalty of:
$7.5M (first $5M over) + $8.75M (second $5M over) + $12.5M (third $5M over) + $3.25 x $3,988,997 = $41.75M

By matching Crabbe's offer, we've essentially guaranteed we won't be bringing Plumlee and/or Harkless back in 2017-18, or a significant cost savings trade has to happen.
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I do think either one of Plumlee/Meyers/Davis won't be here for the following yr, we have too many bigs, so lets say you can cut that by 10 mil
 
Philadelphia would have major interest in Crabbe and Leonard. They could use another stretch 4 and they need a starting SG. Both are great shooters who fit well next to Simmons. I think this is the type of trade Olshey is setting up for:

Trading Plumlee to Team A for their 1st

Then: Crabbe, Leonard, POR's 2017 1st, and Team A's 1st for Okafor.

If they need to send out more salary then take expiring contracts. We'd save $24M and get Okafor.

I'd even be willing to shop Okafor once we get him to see what he'd bring back.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
For Vucevic?? That's an overpay and a half... Plumlee and Vucevic aren't even that different when you look at their advanced stats.
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Don't think about it that way, the other side has to think they get a good deal too.
With Vuc we can have a stronger starting 5 and we pay 1 guy instead of paying 3 guys more than double.

Saying Plums and Vuc are similar because of certain stats is nice, but right now we don't need a Center-PG as much as we need a guy who demands defensive attention in the paint.
 
Crabbe has improved every season. I'm not sure what his ceiling is, but I'm confident that he could start and be effective if that was asked of him.
 
BonesJones said:
Philadelphia would have major interest in Crabbe and Leonard. They could use another stretch 4 and they need a starting SG. Both are great shooters who fit well next to Simmons. I think this is the type of trade Olshey is setting up for:

Trading Plumlee to Team A for their 1st

Then: Crabbe, Leonard, POR's 2017 1st, and Team A's 1st for Okafor.

If they need to send out more salary then take expiring contracts. We'd save $24M and get Okafor.

I'd even be willing to shop Okafor once we get him to see what he'd bring back.
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You remind me of myself when I played Madden 2004 during its new release. Good times. :lol:
 
Blazers Roy said:
Don't think about it that way, the other side has to think they get a good deal too.
With Vuc we can have a stronger starting 5 and we pay 1 guy instead of paying 3 guys more than double.

Saying Plums and Vuc are similar because of certain stats is nice, but right now we don't need a Center-PG as much as we need a guy who demands defensive attention in the paint.
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Vuc just isn't worth giving up that much for though. He isn't that great offensively and he's not even as good a defender as Plumlee.

Let's also not forget Vuc's USG% is about the same as CJs, he wouldn't be an 18/9 guy here, I'd wager he'd be a 14/7 type center. I just don't get the hype around the guy, would I take him if the offer was cheap though (Say some combo of Davis/Vonleh/Pat/CLE pick)? Then sure.
 
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