Crazy trade ideas

[Sarni]

I don't thnk Knicks will be shopping their first round pick unless it's lottery protected or something.

Boston won't offer their 1st for Davis. They like their picks a lot. Knowing Ainge he will probably try to trade that pick for Anthony Davis - and he'll be right - remember when people thought it was good idea to trade no. 3 pick which turned into Jaylen Brown for Noel or Okafor? You can have either of them for absolutely nothing now.

There's something about Stanley Johnson that I really, really like. I'm not sure how good he's going to turn out to be but we could use a small forward like him.

 

[Strenuus]

My trade deadline favorite:
BOS Gets: Ed Davis
NYK Gets: Moe Harkless, Shabazz Napier, Jake Layman, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd
POR Gets: 2018 BOS 1st, 2018 NYK 1st, Joakim Noah, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee (TPE)

BOS gets the extra big they need who fits their Injury Exception perfectly and ship out the 28th-30th pick.
NYK shaves $25M off their payroll, add their starting PG for the rest of the season (and a big piece going forward, potentially), and swap Lee for Harkless
POR gets better, and likely ends up with the same sort of draft pick combination as last year (15-20-28?)

So many 1st and actual players for crap except for Napier... and a 1st for ed? I know it's a low first damn.

 

[jlprk]

You guys underrate Ed Davis.

 

[Haakzilla]

You guys underrate Ed Davis.

WWTBD?! (What Would Trader Bob Do)

 

[jlprk]

Find a 2nd-year sub already in the NBA, who turns out better than what we give!

Like Olshey did with Nurkic, only Whitsitt did it at least once per year.

 

[BonesJones]

So many 1st and actual players for crap except for Napier... and a 1st for ed? I know it's a low first damn.

I've already explained why Ed is the only player that makes sense for BOS and their injury exception and roster. Part of the incentive for NYK is who theyre getting rid of.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't thnk Knicks will be shopping their first round pick unless it's lottery protected or something.

Boston won't offer their 1st for Davis. They like their picks a lot. Knowing Ainge he will probably try to trade that pick for Anthony Davis - and he'll be right - remember when people thought it was good idea to trade no. 3 pick which turned into Jaylen Brown for Noel or Okafor? You can have either of them for absolutely nothing now.

There's something about Stanley Johnson that I really, really like. I'm not sure how good he's going to turn out to be but we could use a small forward like him.

I think they will to try to shed Noahs contract.

 

[Sarni]

I think they will to try to shed Noahs contract.

I don't think they will offer a 1st round pick to do that, unless they are looking very solid in playoff race in January/February. Then it would be a good idea because getting rid of $17M terrible deal like that for a pick that won't be better than 15-20 range is actually a good idea, especially when you are located in New York and can be a good free agency destination for free agents. They might be able to lure Cousins (playing with Porzingis could be great incentive) or Bradley or even Thomas, probably not George.

 

[Scalma]

You guys underrate Ed Davis.

If this is actually a real post (can’t tell with you) I think the opposite. Davis is replaceable. I don’t know what he brings that Vonleh doesn’t. We should be focused on developing Vonleh, he’s played too well to be third string, but it’s ok, because I also feel we’re showcasing Davis.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The 10-19 Hornets trade Batum for
Vonleh (again), Biebs, and Harkless.

Good? Not sure. Crazy? Check.

 

[dviss1]

Mirotic doesn't play D.

 

[dviss1]

Why are people so anxious to get rid of Ed Davis??

I'm really sick of seeing trade scenarios that involve him. Y'all are crazy. Right now IMO he's our best big. He knows his role, he does EVERY BIT of our dirty work.

Please stop.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...should-already-be-sellers-on-the-trade-market

 

[RR7]

The 10-19 Hornets trade Batum for
Vonleh (again), Biebs, and Harkless.

Good? Not sure. Crazy? Check.

That's a whole lot of money owed to Batum over the next 3 seasons, for someone who isn't that big an upgrade over Turner at the 3 for us. Acquisition cost is low enough, but the thought of paying over 40 million on Turner and Batum is gag inducing.

 

[Scalma]

Why are people so anxious to get rid of Ed Davis??

I'm really sick of seeing trade scenarios that involve him. Y'all are crazy. Right now IMO he's our best big. He knows his role, he does EVERY BIT of our dirty work.

Please stop.

Why are you obsessed with mediocre players?

 

[dviss1]

Why are you obsessed with mediocre players?

Silly post. You should ask @Blazer4ever that question.

Ed Davis is our Best big right now.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

That's a whole lot of money owed to Batum over the next 3 seasons, for someone who isn't that big an upgrade over Turner at the 3 for us. Acquisition cost is low enough, but the thought of paying over 40 million on Turner and Batum is gag inducing.

I wanted to include Turner in the deal, I just don't see the other team interested.

 

[Scalma]

Silly post. You should ask @Blazer4ever that question.

Ed Davis is our Best big right now.

Yes and Harkless is our best small forward and Swanigan is our best power forward.

You were the same kind of irrational with Moe before the season. Anytime his name was mentioned you flew in and called everyone stupid for even suggesting trading him.

And you keep mentioning Davis' "dirty work" but Vonleh does the same stuff, and more.

And I haven't even gotten into his contractual status which will make it very unlikely he's here next year. But I guess I'm just crazy.

 

[Scalma]

Mirotic doesn't play D.

He actually does. Very good team defender. Been like that since Real Madrid.

 

[dviss1]

Yes and Harkless is our best small forward and Swanigan is our best power forward.

You were the same kind of irrational with Moe before the season. Anytime his name was mentioned you flew in and called everyone stupid for even suggesting trading him.

And you keep mentioning Davis' "dirty work" but Vonleh does the same stuff, and more.

And I haven't even gotten into his contractual status which will make it very unlikely he's here next year. But I guess I'm just crazy.

Dude WTF are you talking about? Make stuff up much?

I was on the Harkless train at the beginning of the season saying this should be a breakout season for him. That was months ago. His "play" this season has me firmly in the trade him camp.

I never said Swanigan was our best PF. Just literally never said that. As a matter of fact I JUST said Ed was our best big.. Vonleh absolutely DOES NOT offensive rebound like Ed nor does he hustle like Ed either. Nobody on the team does.

And you SHOULD get into his contractual status because Vonleh is in a worse boat there. I'd rather trade Vonleh than pay him. I think he'll make more on the open market.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...should-already-be-sellers-on-the-trade-market

That is a phenomenal breakdown of the seller's market, and contains a lot of intriguing information and insight. I know the CW is that there's no point in the Blazers trying to by buyers, but I can't help but be intrigued by a lot of the names in that list.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I never said Swanigan was our best PF. Just literally never said that. As a matter of fact I JUST said Ed was our best big.. Vonleh absolutely DOES NOT offensive rebound like Ed nor does he hustle like Ed either. Nobody on the team does.

Just in case anybody doubted this statement...

 

[tester551]

That's a whole lot of money owed to Batum over the next 3 seasons, for someone who isn't that big an upgrade over Turner at the 3 for us. Acquisition cost is low enough, but the thought of paying over 40 million on Turner and Batum is gag inducing.

Don't agree with that. Batum >>>> Turner.
I do agree that the combined salaries are gag inducing though.

 

[Scalma]

Dude WTF are you talking about? Make stuff up much?

I was on the Harkless train at the beginning of the season saying this should be a breakout season for him. That was months ago. His "play" this season has me firmly in the trade him camp.

I never said Swanigan was our best PF. Just literally never said that. As a matter of fact I JUST said Ed was our best big.. Vonleh absolutely DOES NOT offensive rebound like Ed nor does he hustle like Ed either. Nobody on the team does.

And you SHOULD get into his contractual status because Vonleh is in a worse boat there. I'd rather trade Vonleh than pay him. I think he'll make more on the open market.

And why do you think that is? Because he’s a better long term player. So why wouldn’t WE pay him? The only keepers we have in the front court are Nurk, Collins, and Vonleh. The only thing Davis does better than Vonleh is rebound, but it’s so minimal (Davis averages less than one more offensive rebound per 36.) Vonleh brings more to the table. He’s a more versatile defender and a better shooter. Davis is who he is. Vonleh isn’t done developing. Davis is also an unrestricted free agent, so while you may think he wants to stay, the uncertainty must be factored.

 

[RR7]

That is a phenomenal breakdown of the seller's market, and contains a lot of intriguing information and insight. I know the CW is that there's no point in the Blazers trying to by buyers, but I can't help but be intrigued by a lot of the names in that list.

Barnes is an interesting, albeit expensive, name off of that link.

 

[Scalma]

Barnes is an interesting, albeit expensive, name off of that link.

I'd love Barnes. I don't know what our best offer would be. We'd also have to match salaries.

Maybe Moe, Leonard, Swanigan, and a protected first? Actually I could see them wanting Vonleh, so maybe Moe, Leonard, Vonleh, and a second? I don't want to trade Noah, but for someone like Barnes, I would.

 

[dviss1]

And why do you think that is? Because he’s a better long term player. So why wouldn’t WE pay him? The only keepers we have in the front court are Nurk, Collins, and Vonleh. The only thing Davis does better than Vonleh is rebound, but it’s so minimal (Davis averages less than one more offensive rebound per 36.) Vonleh brings more to the table. He’s a more versatile defender and a better shooter. Davis is who he is. Vonleh isn’t done developing. Davis is also an unrestricted free agent, so while you may think he wants to stay, the uncertainty must be factored.

Why ask me the question if you're gonna answer it?

Fine, I'll take a stab at it:

Because he's younger and has more upside. He can handle the ball and shoot. Has a solid base to his game when it comes to....

POTENTIAL....

Kinda common sense as to why he would command a higher salary.

 

[Scalma]

Why ask me the question if you're gonna answer it?

Fine, I'll take a stab at it:

Because he's younger and has more upside. He can handle the ball and shoot. Has a solid base to his game when it comes to....

POTENTIAL....

Kinda common sense as to why he would command a higher salary.

Ok so why wouldn't you prefer that?

Davis belongs on a contender. Not a team still building, and right now, that's what we are.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why ask me the question if you're gonna answer it?

Fine, I'll take a stab at it:

Because he's younger and has more upside. He can handle the ball and shoot. Has a solid base to his game when it comes to....

POTENTIAL....

Kinda common sense as to why he would command a higher salary.

So I guess the question is:

Is the team--either as currently constructed, or as constituted post-trade--better served banking on potential for the future, or retaining players that are better in the moment?

This isn't a player-evaluation argument; it's pretty well consensus that Davis is presently the better player. It's a philosophical argument--is Vonleh or Davis more likely to contribute to making the team a contender down the road. Personally, I err on the side of potential in that question.

 

[dviss1]

So I guess the question is:

Is the team--either as currently constructed, or as constituted post-trade--better served banking on potential for the future, or retaining players that are better in the moment?

This isn't a player-evaluation argument; it's pretty well consensus that Davis is presently the better player. It's a philosophical argument--is Vonleh or Davis more likely to contribute to making the team a contender down the road. Personally, I err on the side of potential in that question.

I'm simply thinking Vonleh will cost more. Pretty simple.

Edit: I also think Vonleh will command more in a trade.

Ed is still young and a hard working rough rider. He's a veteran who will come in and play his role. Plus I'd like to see what Swanigan can do as the backup.