Cronin media press conference

[Graduate32]

What other legitimate trade chips do they have to swing a deal for something meaningful?

Future firsts, Simons, Little, Hart, Johnson... frankly, more than we had going into last week.

 

[maxiep]

We are remodeling our main bathroom now. I can assure you I have no idea how to determine if a builder is capable or not after the demo - only after he had time to build.

If you are capable of than that, you are better than me. Congrats.

I can assure you I do. That doesn't mean I'm better than you, it's just the clues are all there. They should be neat, orderly, lay down protection and salvage materials for future use. Construction skills are construction skills. You can tell a lot by seeing what wasn't done in a demo by how a room will be rebuilt.

 

[andalusian]

I can assure you I do. That doesn't mean I'm better than you, it's just the clues are all there. They should be neat, orderly, lay down protection and salvage materials for future use. Construction skills are construction skills. You can tell a lot by seeing what wasn't done in a demo by how a room will be rebuilt.

Our remodel is of a house that was built in the 70s - there is nothing to salvage from what was demoed - and we are less constrained by a cap than the Blazers are. (As in, we are probably going to go about 30% over the initial estimate - which I would treat as the cap, the Blazers going 30% over the cap given their repeater tax offender would be like 60%).

I think that your valuation of the stuff that was demoed was higher than the valuation that the organization had - and they were not willing to risk being stuck with these assets trying to pursue what they considered less likely deals.

As I said, I am just happy there is a real plan and action to achieve it. We can argue from here until forever how close the execution is to optimal - but without more details, it is just speculation.

 

[GDiama]

was joe cronin asked about nurk

If he leaves you change team as well? Seems you only care about what's happening with Nurk and if he ll get enough money.

 

[BonesJones]

Future firsts, Simons, Little, Hart, Johnson... frankly, more than we had going into last week.

They literally can't trade any of their future 1sts right now.

Simons is a free agent and they're obviously planning on him being a part of the future.

Hart isn't close to enough value to bring back a good starter by himself. Neither is Johnson. Neither is Little. If Cronin can't get anything back for Norm and RoCo, what makes you think he can flip a 3rd year guy who's out for the year who's only shown flashes? I'm talking about assets that can bring back a good starter.

 

[BonesJones]

make a YouTube video about it.

Nah, already streamed today for 30,000 people. Kinda burnt out.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The problem really is that he made that first trade so early. Just now he said that it was the best offer on the table but he didn't play the situation out. I know he said that being in the tax gave other teams leverage but I just don't believe that was the best offer he would have ended up with should he have waited. I can't be certain of that but because he pulled the trigger so quickly he can't possibly be either.

The reason why that's so important is because he is up there talking about unbalanced trades as the best way to use our cap space but we have to have assets to make those trades work and he very obviously left assets on the table by making that move so quickly.

Needed to get under the tax for potential other deals. Seems legit. Someone was going to take advantage of that, and he STILL got a young first round talent back in the deal

 

[Graduate32]

They literally can't trade any of their future 1sts right now.

Simons is a free agent and they're obviously planning on him being a part of the future.

Hart isn't close to enough value to bring back a good starter by himself. Neither is Johnson. Neither is Little. If Cronin can't get anything back for Norm and RoCo, what makes you think he can flip a 3rd year guy who's out for the year who's only shown flashes? I'm talking about assets that can bring back a good starter.

They are still chips (and Anfernee still could be after re-signing, especially if this is beyond a one-year process). And it'd wouldn't take all that much to clear the protections with Chicago, if that's the direction they want to go (heck, they do the exact same thing that NOP just did). I'm certainly not suggesting that the Blazers are flush with notable assets, but your take was clearly not an unbiased recap.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hart isn't close to enough value to bring back a good starter by himself.

Hart was enough value to get CJ. If only there were a fledgling GM we could sell him to.

 

[BonesJones]

Our remodel is of a house that was built in the 70s - there is nothing to salvage from what was demoed - and we are less constrained by a cap than the Blazers are. (As in, we are probably going to go about 30% over the initial estimate - which I would treat as the cap, the Blazers going 30% over the cap given their repeater tax offender would be like 60%).

I think that your valuation of the stuff that was demoed was higher than the valuation that the organization had - and they were not willing to risk being stuck with these assets trying to pursue what they considered less likely deals.

As I said, I am just happy there is a real plan and action to achieve it. We can argue from here until forever how close the execution is to optimal - but without more details, it is just speculation.

Okay, the analogy here is you could've sold the house built in the 70s for $250K to put towards a newer house but got leveraged in negotiations all the way down to $90K and now you don't have enough money to buy a newer house and might have to rent an apartment instead.

 

[maxiep]

Our remodel is of a house that was built in the 70s - there is nothing to salvage from what was demoed - and we are less constrained by a cap than the Blazers are. (As in, we are probably going to go about 30% over the initial estimate - which I would treat as the cap, the Blazers going 30% over the cap given their repeater tax offender would be like 60%).

I think that your valuation of the stuff that was demoed was higher than the valuation that the organization had - and they were not willing to risk being stuck with these assets trying to pursue what they considered less likely deals.

Sure there is. Studs, electrical wire, cast plumbing. All kinds of stuff to reuse or recycle. If the house was pre-77, then I hope you had the flooring and drywall mud tested for asbestos.

There was zero reason to make this deal a week before the deadline. Make it an hour before the deadline if something better doesn't come along. You don't pick up the ugliest girl in the bar at happy hour. You wait until closing time if nothing better comes along or just pass if the girl is uglier than your hand.

 

[andalusian]

Okay, the analogy here is you could've sold the house built in the 70s for $250K to put towards a newer house but got leveraged in negotiations all the way down to $90K and now you don't have enough money to buy a newer house and might have to rent an apartment instead.

Bad analogy since they Blazers still seem to want to live in this house - they just wanted to remove the parts that did not work.

Also, let's remember that selling a house and finding replacement houses is not without cost either - which is the time you need to invest in both.

 

[BonesJones]

They are still chips (and Anfernee still could be after re-signing, especially if this is beyond a one-year process). And it'd wouldn't take all that much to clear the protections with Chicago, if that's the direction they want to go (heck, they do the exact same thing that NOP just did). I'm certainly not suggesting that the Blazers are flush with notable assets, but your take was clearly not an unbiased recap.

Unprotecting our pick next year so that we could trade future 1sts when there's a good chance this rebuild could take multiple years by Cronin's own admission? That's not a really bad idea.

Trading Simons makes sense if we only get a star, and I don't think we're going to get one for him by trading him outright. We need multiple high-caliber starters and right now we only have one, and possibly two with Ant. Trading Ant doesn't fix that problem.

 

[Haakzilla]

Nah, already streamed today for 30,000 people. Kinda burnt out.

...whoa, you had 30,000 active users viewing your stream at once?! 100x more than post-games

 

[BonesJones]

Bad analogy since they Blazers still seem to want to live in this house - they just wanted to remove the parts that did not work.

Also, let's remember that selling a house and finding replacement houses is not without cost either - which is the time you need to invest in both.

Of course, but you should make it easier and sell the house for what it's worth instead of settling for half it's market value then claiming that now you have the freedom to go get the house you want.

 

[Mr. Robot]

If he leaves you change team as well? Seems you only care about what's happening with Nurk and if he ll get enough money.

if he doesnt get a good contract, then yes

 

[andalusian]

Sure there is. Studs, electrical wire, cast plumbing. All kinds of stuff to reuse or recycle. If the house was pre-77, then I hope you had the flooring and drywall mud tested for asbestos.

There was zero reason to make this deal a week before the deadline. Make it an hour before the deadline if something better doesn't come along. You don't pick up the ugliest girl in the bar at happy hour. You wait until closing time if nothing better comes along or just pass if the girl is uglier than your hand.

I am talking about the demo of our bathroom - you are talking about a complete demo of a house. There is nothing worth saving from what we demoed from our bathroom - it does not mean that we do not love our house and want to keep it.

But, I think we are going in circles here. The Blazers have a plan and are making some sacrifices to try and execute it. I have less issues with every step - you are not and that's fine.

 

[BonesJones]

...whoa, you had 30,000 active users viewing your stream at once?! 100x more than post-games

I wish. It was total. Still good though. I don't know what Scalma thought he was doing there.

 

[GDiama]

if he doesnt get a good contract, then yes

Lol i hope you get your cut

 

[blazerkor]

They literally can't trade any of their future 1sts right now.

Simons is a free agent and they're obviously planning on him being a part of the future.

Hart isn't close to enough value to bring back a good starter by himself. Neither is Johnson. Neither is Little. If Cronin can't get anything back for Norm and RoCo, what makes you think he can flip a 3rd year guy who's out for the year who's only shown flashes? I'm talking about assets that can bring back a good starter.

We'll just have to wait and see how the two/possibly one lottery pick(s) turn out. Those will be our best assets. Because he's a restricted free agent Ant has more value in a sign and trade than an unrestricted free agent. I don't think we can gauge Ant's value or Johnson's, both will be playing a lot and may increase their value by a lot but when you say shit like none of them could bring back a starter like it's a fact, discounting all of the time between now and when those trades would be made, you kill your credibility. Also I think we can trade more than one of them in a package to get a higher quality player.

Your misgivings about Cronin's ability to actually execute any deal where we come out even or ahead is well founded but you're taking it so far that you're being hyperbolic.

 

[Scalma]

I wish. It was total. Still good though. I don't know what Scalma thought he was doing there.

you could have 1 million viewers, your take on his press conference is still shit. I’d rather my GM not sell me a dream (best roster ever!)

 

[Predator]

...whoa, you had 30,000 active users viewing your stream at once?! 100x more than post-games

Such a supportive community we’ve got here.
I turned it on and gave it a like, just cuz, blazers fans.

 

[andalusian]

Of course, but you should make it easier and sell the house for what it's worth instead of settling for half it's market value then claiming that now you have the freedom to go get the house you want.

But the Blazers did not sell the house for less than what it is worth. They just ripped off the bathroom that was leaking and costing them too much money to keep functional. In the meantime - they have to live with only 2 bathrooms instead of 3 - while the main one is being rebuilt to hopefully a much higher standard. (BTW, the home-remodeling thread in the OT section shows that this is exactly what we are doing with out bathroom now - and I do not like living with less bathrooms and workers treading through the house and the noise of the jackhammers - but I am ok with it - because I believe it will become a better house once all that noise and pain is done with.

 

[Predator]

if he doesnt get a good contract, then yes

Are you his wife or something?

 

[noknobs]

Cronin: 'We've created this flexibility, but we may need multiple off-seasons to get it all accomplished. This was a large step in that direction. The bulk of the work still remains. The hard part begins here. We did make a lot of calls (big game hunting) and we will revisit the effort in the summer.'

 

[wizenheimer]

as somebody who spent 40 years as a contractor including lots of remodels I think I should contribute to the extended metaphor about remodeling. But I got nothing

 

[Graduate32]

Unprotecting our pick next year so that we could trade future 1sts when there's a good chance this rebuild could take multiple years by Cronin's own admission? That's not a really bad idea.

Trading Simons makes sense if we only get a star, and I don't think we're going to get one for him by trading him outright. We need multiple high-caliber starters and right now we only have one, and possibly two with Ant. Trading Ant doesn't fix that problem.

You are talking in circles. You asked if we could include future firsts, the answer is "of course we can." I never said we should do it, and it would entirely depend on what's being offered, but they certainly can be available if we need them to be.

And in saying that we need "multiple high-caliber starters" to trade for a star, are you suggesting that you think us having Norm, RoCo, and CJ around would facilitate us trading for a star? Or that somehow they would have been able to get us back these "high-caliber players" that would be useful in a trade for a star? I guess if that's where you are coming from, there is not much more to discuss.

 

[Scalma]

I found the Ingles comment interesting, especially if you put it into the context of how Billups wants to play, specifically defensively. Ingles is a very good team defender and is a good playmaker offensively, even this season with down numbers. Depending on the price and his health, that’s definitely a guy I’d be open minded to having.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Lol i hope you get your cut

thanks man

 

[Mr. Robot]

if he doesnt get a good contract, then yes

im actually a trail blazers fan (before nurk got here), but its a happy coincidence that my countryman plays for my favorite team