Dame all but demanding vet roster (2 Viewers)

[inconceivable]

That would be a really good lineup....but I don't believe we have nearly the assets to pull it off.

I hope Dame gets a title. Since I don't see that happening here, I hope he can go somewhere that he can get one like Clyde and Jerome did. Hopefully the resulting assets from that if it were to happen would make us better for the future than a paltry average of #7 for a decade. That's fine for a team like the Kings who Kang'd it for nearly 2 decades, but at some point, there needs to be improvement or you need to reset and go again.

#Life

Not yet. Come May 16th we will.

 

[Predator]

The certainty you speak with makes me feel like you have insider information that the rest of us would love to have access to... hell it seems like insider information that Joe Cronin would love to have access to. In other words unless you know exactly what's going on in every front office of every team with players that could make us contenders then you are speaking in absolutes that really water down the credibility of your perspective.

As an example, let’s throw out a complete pipe dream.

We land the #1 pick.

We trade it for Embiid (or Giannis, but for this example - Embiid).

Embiid for the #1, Nurk, whatever fillers (to make the cap work, which we don’t really have many options, so Ant).

Embiid
Grant
??
Sharpe
Dame

Now let’s say for some insane reason the Nets are willing to give us Bridges for whatever we have left (which is practically nothing)

We will have arguably a contending starting 5, with no bench, but that’s pretty much what it would take for us to become a “contender” in my eyes.

 

[blazerkor]

I have absolute confidence in my perspective, correct.

And my perspective is that there isn’t a single move that the Blazers could make that would make them a contender.

Now, if you think more than one front office is willing to give us a superstar for pennies on the dollar, sure.

I’m talking we need Bam + Giannis.

Giannis alone won’t turn this shit heap into a contender.

People act like we are one move away. We aren’t. We probably aren’t even two or three moves away.

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree that you have good perspective. Why would you even say Bam and Giannis... that's a bad pairing? Why do we need two more superstars and not just one superstar and more complementary role players and I don't mean one more complementary role player but probably three? The fact is your posts show that you have a limited imagination of course we are more than one piece away but we're not more than one superstar and better fitting role players away.

Is it likely that we can pull off the moves that win us a championship with Dame? Well we were one of the worst teams in the league this last season and there are thirty teams in the league so I wouldn't say that all in moves would make us the odds on favorite. That being said if we make smart moves that are very ambitious, we will give ourselves a better chance at a championship than a youth rebuild would because in the NBA anything more than a three year plan is playing with incredibly long odds.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

If they trade Sharpe I’ll be pissed

Yeah we are closer to rebuild than championship contender. I would lean to letting Dame move to contender and giving him his chance at title. Especially if we get top 3 pick would set us up for future rather than trading pick away. If somehow we have chance at Scoot I would not trade the pick. Scoot and Sharpe would be a hell of a back court

 

[Predator]

Not yet. Come May 16th we will.

To land Bam we traded Nurk, Ant, and our top pick in that proposed scenario.

So not sure what the draft lottery has to do with getting Bridges, since it was proposed we gave that up for Bam.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The Suns wanted 3 starters: Buck, Duck, and Jerome for Barkley. We should have done that.

I can't propose trades because I have no idea of what Ant's value is. If it's decent, then I see the following on the block:
Ant, Nurk, lotto pick.

Don't trade SS, no one else has value, ie, is filler. IMHO, we need rebounding and more defense badly.

 

[BIG Q]

You been following the story? He cant even get an interview.
regardless of bis desires, he is an mvp player being shut out of talks by every other team because he doesn't have an agent. He cant get a meeting even.
Id say the reference is valid but if not, explain Colin.

I remind you Kap had two years on his deal with the Niners. He decided to become a martyr and negotiated to not guarantee his final year. Then he went full martyr during the last guaranteed year making it an easy decision for the Niners not negotiate a new deal. Kap got what he asked for, out of his deal. Smart business people such as NFL owners are do not want that type of shit associated with their brand nor in their locker room. As for Jackson, he is a good running back that can throw the ball well. What is the shelf life of a good running back? Nobody is giving that much guaranteed up for a running QB. And as a season ticket holder for the AZ Cardinals, I was disgusted when Murray's agent went public with his all caps demand. Then the Cards actually waited two months to work his deal and he ends up with more money because of the other deals QB's had signed. But Murray is a short, running QB that doesn't want to run. The Cards caved and guaranteed all that cash. Then Murray was out after blowing his knee out on a non-contact play. Laughed my ass off at the irony.

But this is a Blazers forum, GO BLAZERS!!

 

[Mediocre Man]

I didn't watch the video so I don't know what he said exactly or the context of why he was saying it.

Booooo. Ultimatum basically

 

[Graduate32]

If they trade Sharpe I’ll be pissed

Can I take a quick break from the very legitimate debate between what we should or shouldn't do to just give a moment of praise to Dame for how he has handled and discussed this matter publicly over the past several years?

I completely understand his mindset: he wants to win here, and he wants to win now as he doesn't have that many years left. I can entirely appreciate that, and I'd hope that Blazers stars from here until eternity feel the same sense of loyalty, urgency, and competitiveness. And yet, it's amazing that he is able to constantly negotiate this issue within a media that is constantly seeking the contentious, juicy soundbite without ever: 1) threatening the franchise ("do it or else!"); 2) throwing teammates, coaches, or management under the bus; 3) constantly belittling the limitations of a small-market franchise in the PNW; 4) speaking with anger; he is nearly always calm and measured. If you watch the clip again, he even acknowledges the perspective of the Blazers organization: "if we can't find a way to get this done, the organization will also have a decision to make" (i.e. "I recognize that the organization may/should feel that it is in their best interest to trade me.").

Now whether or not we should go all-in to get Dame help now or trade Dame and initiate the reset (and it may entirely depend on the costs and targets of the "all-in" moves), I really want to make sure we appreciate how he has consistently handled this situation every damn time he is pressed on it.

 

[tykendo]

Dame Shae Mikal Jerami Bam

That lineup is a possibility if the Blazers land at pick # 2. Ant / # 2 pick for Mikal Bridges. Nurk, Nas and 2 future 1st for Bam. Trade helps give Heat some cap relief as well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah we are closer to rebuild than championship contender. I would lean to letting Dame move to contender and giving him his chance at title. Especially if we get top 3 pick would set us up for future rather than trading pick away. If somehow we have chance at Scoot I would not trade the pick. Scoot and Sharpe would be a hell of a back court

Agreed

 

[Predator]

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree that you have good perspective. Why would you even say Bam and Giannis... that's a bad pairing? Why do we need two more superstars and not just one superstar and more complementary role players and I don't mean one more complementary role player but probably three? The fact is your posts show that you have a limited imagination of course we are more than one piece away but we're not more than one superstar and better fitting role players away.

Is it likely that we can pull off the moves that win us a championship with Dame? Well we were one of the worst teams in the league this last season and there are thirty teams in the league so I wouldn't say that all in moves would make us the odds on favorite. That being said if we make smart moves that are very ambitious, we will give ourselves a better chance at a championship than a youth rebuild would because in the NBA anything more than a three year plan is playing with incredibly long odds.

I was giving you an example of the type of players needed in my eyes. I also used Embiid and Bridges in the next hypothetical scenario.

I’d also hardly call Bam or Bridges superstars.

 

[inconceivable]

To land Bam we traded Nurk, Ant, and our top pick in that proposed scenario.

So not sure what the draft lottery has to do with getting Bridges, since it was proposed we gave that up for Bam.

Make a deal with the bulls (like give them the pick we got from NY, for example) to unlock future picks

 

[Mediocre Man]

That lineup is a possibility if the Blazers land at pick # 2. Ant / # 2 pick for Mikal Bridges. Nurk, Nas and 2 future 1st for Bam. Trade helps give Heat some cap relief as well.

Again, why is Brooklyn trading a PROVEN two way stud for Ant and Scoot Henderson?

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah we are closer to rebuild than championship contender. I would lean to letting Dame move to contender and giving him his chance at title. Especially if we get top 3 pick would set us up for future rather than trading pick away. If somehow we have chance at Scoot I would not trade the pick. Scoot and Sharpe would be a hell of a back court

The problem with that is that Dame is worth more to a team going into a rebuild on the open market than any contender could give us... if you think that Dame makes the Nets a contender, they have a shitload of picks but they are on the east coast which might not be what Dame wants and I don't know if they are the type of contender that Dame would want.

Also like I just said in another post, this would be us settling for a five year plan and I think the odds of us going all in on a Dame led team winning a title in the next three years is are better than any five year plan ever is in the NBA.

 

[Predator]

And yes I have limited imagination because history shows us what wins championships. Multiple superstars and/or multiple, multiple all stars.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Yeah we are closer to rebuild than championship contender. I would lean to letting Dame move to contender and giving him his chance at title. Especially if we get top 3 pick would set us up for future rather than trading pick away. If somehow we have chance at Scoot I would not trade the pick. Scoot and Sharpe would be a hell of a back court

imagine if we trade dame to the phila and we get maxey in return, so we have maxey, scoot & sharpe at the wing

i really, really like maxey

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Curious what people think we could get in Dame trade? I’m thinking good young prospect or two plus 2-3 first rounders and a couple of pick swaps?

leaves us with
sharpe
Simon’s
Top 7 pick in this years draft
Young prospect from Dame trade

That’s a quick reboot similar to OKC

 

[Predator]

Make a deal with the bulls (like give them the pick we got from NY, for example) to unlock future picks

We would still need 20mill in contracts to send out, which I’m not sure how that would work but fair enough

 

[Ed O]

Does Bradley Beal get to tell the Wizards what they should do with the roster? Beal is in a similar situation--big contract, excellent player, wrong-side-of-mediocre team, 22 career playoff wins.

I don't understand why Dame has such a big voice. Why do we care? He's a player that has brought the Blazers to the conference finals ONCE. He has won three playoff series in 11 years. He's 32.

Seriously. He's a player on a series of generally unsuccessful teams. I don't blame him for having opinions on how a team should be built and a franchise should plan, but I'm sure every player in the NBA has an opinion, and most teams are smart enough to make decisions without really paying attention because, well, players are paid to play basketball, not to make trades and manage salary caps.

 

[tykendo]

Does Bradley Beal get to tell the Wizards what they should do with the roster? Beal is in a similar situation--big contract, excellent player, wrong-side-of-mediocre team, 22 career playoff wins.

I don't understand why Dame has such a big voice. Why do we care? He's a player that has brought the Blazers to the conference finals ONCE. He has won three playoff series in 11 years. He's 32.

Seriously. He's a player on a series of generally unsuccessful teams. I don't blame him for having opinions on how a team should be built and a franchise should plan, but I'm sure every player in the NBA has an opinion, and most teams are smart enough to make decisions without really paying attention because, well, players are paid to play basketball, not to make trades and manage salary caps.

C'mon man! Apples and Oranges. Dame is a better player with some incredible Playoff moments that led to series wins. I don't remember Beal ever having that kind of success.

 

[Graduate32]

Does Bradley Beal get to tell the Wizards what they should do with the roster? Beal is in a similar situation--big contract, excellent player, wrong-side-of-mediocre team, 22 career playoff wins.

I don't understand why Dame has such a big voice. Why do we care? He's a player that has brought the Blazers to the conference finals ONCE. He has won three playoff series in 11 years. He's 32.

Seriously. He's a player on a series of generally unsuccessful teams. I don't blame him for having opinions on how a team should be built and a franchise should plan, but I'm sure every player in the NBA has an opinion, and most teams are smart enough to make decisions without really paying attention because, well, players are paid to play basketball, not to make trades and manage salary caps.

The biggest difference is that Beal has been a shell of himself for the past two years and constantly (and legitimately) injured. You could argue Dame just had his best season.

 

[Ed O]

C'mon man! Apples and Oranges. Dame is a better player with some incredible Playoff moments that led to series wins. I don't remember Beal ever having that kind of success.

Do you remember Dame going 22-39 in the playoffs?

I do.

He's been a wonderful player but game-winning shots in a few big games doesn't mean he should be able to dictate the future of the team in my opinion.

 

[Ed O]

The biggest difference is that Beal has been a shell of himself for the past two years and constantly (and legitimately) injured. You could argue Dame just had his best season.

Oddly enough, Beal has played more games (90) than Dame has (87) the last two years.

You're correct that Beal's play is down the last two years compared to his previous career, and Dame had a great scoring season this year... that might be it.

 

[tykendo]

Do you remember Dame going 22-39 in the playoffs?

I do.

He's been a wonderful player but game-winning shots in a few big games doesn't mean he should be able to dictate the future of the team in my opinion.

Game changing plays to move on to the next round is pretty damn good. And that Denver series in '21, he was spectacular. He's a generational talent that rarely comes around. That in itself dictates that the team should do everything in their power to surround him with talent and a legit chance to contend.

 

[THE HCP]

“…..If we use the pick on another young rookie that’s going to take years to develop…. Dame will end up asking for a trade.”….. May 2022 - @THE HCP

#BAM

 

[THE HCP]

Oddly enough, Beal has played more games (90) than Dame has (87) the last two years.

You're correct that Beal's play is down the last two years compared to his previous career, and Dame had a great scoring season this year... that might be it.

Ed, I’m not a stats guy, but wasn’t this his best season ever?

 

[THE HCP]

Oddly enough, Beal has played more games (90) than Dame has (87) the last two years.

You're correct that Beal's play is down the last two years compared to his previous career, and Dame had a great scoring season this year... that might be it.

And I would hope that Dame gets more of a say than Beal. Dame is the greatest player in team history and heading to the hall of fame. Not sure what is on Beal’s resume.

 

[tykendo]

And I would hope that Dame gets more of a say than Beal. Dame is the greatest player in team history and heading to the hall of fame. Not sure what is on Beal’s resume.

Exactly H.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Ok. Dame is looking for a veteran team.

Note: Blazers have an inexperienced GM, and a second year coach that’s only ‘coached’ tanking teams.

This is not a good recipe for success.