Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

[B-Roy]

Get fucked Miami. That is 100% a lowball offer. I think this is completely true.

So offer now is:

3 firsts + one of Jovic/Jaquez, but could be shopping Martin for another 1st.

And the one we want is:

4 firsts + both Jovic/Jaquez. Blazers will hold out until they get both. That's probably the best package Miami can offer. It's fine. I wouldn't do anything less though.

 

[wizenheimer]

LMAO that's awful. I think a lot of rhetoric comes from the fact that Cronin has mostly lost value on every trade.

I just don't agree with that.

The only "bad" trade was the Clippers trade. And I don't believe that trade was as bad as many say. And I think it's pretty damn obvious that was a Vulcan trade as much or more than a Cronin trade

The CJ trade was good; the Grant trade was good; the Hart trade was fine; the Payton trade was ok and corrected a fuck-up. 4 out of 5 trades on the plus or neutral side of the scale is a good track record, especially considering that the value going out was significantly overrated around here

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I just don't agree with that.

The only "bad" trade was the Clippers trade. And I don't believe that trade was as bad as many say. And I think it's pretty damn obvious that was a Vulcan trade as much or more than a Cronin trade

The CJ trade was good; the Grant trade was good; the Hart trade was fine; the Payton trade was ok and corrected a fuck-up. 4 out of 5 trades on the plus or neutral side of the scale is a good track record, especially considering that the value going out was significantly overrated around here

That's fine that you don't agree with that but the consensus around the league is that Cronin has been fleeced in every trade besides the Jerami Grant deal which Dame was more responsible for making happen.

 

[BIG Q]

Perfect scenario might be if Miami decides to move on and make a trade for another star like Lavine.

This really would be perfect. Dame would then have to open his request to include more than one destination.

 

[Natebishop3]

So offer now is:

3 firsts + one of Jovic/Jaquez, but could be shopping Martin for another 1st.

And the one we want is:

4 firsts + both Jovic/Jaquez. Blazers will hold out until they get both. That's probably the best package Miami can offer. It's fine. I wouldn't do anything less though.

And that's what I have been thinking for a bit... that Miami/Dame/Goodwin are trying to bully us into taking this crap offer.

4 first, Jovic/Jaquez is.... fine. I don't think we're going to get a Bridges. I'd rather have Simmons honestly, instead of Lowry. I just don't think that Brooklyn is going to help Miami get better.

 

[illmatic99]

God that is fucking horrible.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's fine that you don't agree with that but the consensus around the league is that Cronin has been fleeced in every trade besides the Jerami Grant deal which Dame was more responsible for making happen.

I haven't really heard anyone say we got fleeced for CJ.

For all intents and purposes, we traded CJ and Nance for Josh Hart and Jerami Grant. We got the TPE and the pick that we used to get Grant as part of that trade.

The final score on the CJ trade is Jerami Grant and Matisse Thybulle.

 

[Natebishop3]

God that is fucking horrible.

Thank you Damian Lillard.

 

[illmatic99]

this is my fear—Joe and team are actually totally fine with the maximum Miami offer (Jovic, Jacquez, 3-4 firsts), and that’s what they’re “holding out for.” I will be very sad if this is all they accept for Dame.

For all the shit we talk about Morey and Masai, they would never accept something like this.

Not even getting a single definitive blue chip prospect that you can hang your hat on. Sounds about right for sell low joe.

 

[wizenheimer]

So offer now is:

3 firsts + one of Jovic/Jaquez, but could be shopping Martin for another 1st.

And the one we want is:

4 firsts + both Jovic/Jaquez. Blazers will hold out until they get both. That's probably the best package Miami can offer. It's fine. I wouldn't do anything less though.

Blazers should get that 2029 swap and a 2nd or two; and Martin. And no protections on any of the first's. AND, the Blazers should get to dump Nurkic

 

[illmatic99]

Thank you Damian Lillard.

We get it. You blame Dame. But your boy Joe isn't exactly under gunpoint to do such a deal.

 

[illmatic99]

Blazers should get that 2029 swap and a 2nd or two; and Martin. And no protections on any of the first's. AND, the Blazers should get to dump Nurkic

At least....

 

[Natebishop3]

Not even getting a single definitive blue chip prospect that you can hang your hat on. Sounds about right for sell low joe.

I'm just not seeing where a blue chip prospect is going to come from..... from any team.

Jaylen Brown? That requires Dame to be willing to agree to go to Boston AND it requires Boston to be willing to move Brown.

 

[Natebishop3]

We get it. You blame Dame. But your boy Joe isn't exactly under gunpoint to do such a deal.

Who else is there to blame? Dame is the one who gave Joe a list of one team. Dame's agent is going around and telling teams not to trade for him. Who else is there to blame????

And I hope that Joe doesn't take it. Everything he's saying is that he's willing to wait.

 

[wizenheimer]

That's fine that you don't agree with that but the consensus around the league is that Cronin has been fleeced in every trade besides the Jerami Grant deal which Dame was more responsible for making happen.

yeah right...the 'consensus' . Does that include SAS, Shams and Fentress?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I haven't really heard anyone say we got fleeced for CJ.

For all intents and purposes, we traded CJ and Nance for Josh Hart and Jerami Grant. We got the TPE and the pick that we used to get Grant as part of that trade.

The final score on the CJ trade is Jerami Grant and Matisse Thybulle.

Why Matisse and not Kris Murray? We got Kris from Josh Hart who came in the CJ deal.

At the time everyone said we got fleeced. It turned out good, but again that's because Dame recruited Jerami. Cronin COULD have negotiated to get the better of the Pelicans' pick that year and didn't. The details matter.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why Matisse and not Kris Murray? We got Kris from Josh Hart who came in the CJ deal.

At the time everyone said we got fleeced. It turned out good, but again that's because Dame recruited Jerami. Cronin COULD have negotiated to get the better of the Pelicans' pick that year and didn't. The details matter.

THYBULLE CAME FROM THE JOSH HART TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE FUCKING STICKY THIS FOR ME!

But yes...

It's Grant/Thybulle/Murray.

 

[illmatic99]

Who else is there to blame? Dame is the one who gave Joe a list of one team. Dame's agent is going around and telling teams not to trade for him. Who else is there to blame????

And I hope that Joe doesn't take it. Everything he's saying is that he's willing to wait.

Goodwin isn't the one who has final say. Joe can easily say no and tell Dame to suck it up. We all know he has no backbone to do such a thing though

 

[Sheldon Shape]

THYBULLE CAME FROM THE JOSH HART TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE FUCKING STICKY THIS FOR ME!

Habla Espanol? We gave up 2 2nds for Matisse. Those 2 2nds came from GP2 for 5 2nds deal.

Kris was the pick we got for trading Josh Hart to NYK.

 

[Natebishop3]

Habla Espanol? We gave up 2 2nds for Matisse. Those 2 2nds came from GP2 for 5 2nds deal.

Kris was the pick we got for trading Josh Hart to NYK.

Wrong.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thybuma01.html

February 9, 2023: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Philadelphia 76ers to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Charlotte Hornets traded Jalen McDaniels and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the New York Knicks traded Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk to the Charlotte Hornets; the New York Knicks traded Ryan Arcidiacono, Cam Reddish, Ante Tomic and a 2023 1st round draft pick (Kris Murray was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Colby Jones was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2027 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Dani Diez, Bojan Dubljevic and Josh Hart to the New York Knicks; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2029 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers. Charlotte also received a trade exception More favorable 2023 2nd-rd pick ended up as CHO own 2027 2nd-rd pick is more favorable Philadelphia also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is NYK own 2029 2nd-rd pick is POR own Portland also received a trade exception 2023 protected 1st-rd pick is NYK own

 

[wizenheimer]

Why Matisse and not Kris Murray? We got Kris from Josh Hart who came in the CJ deal.

At the time everyone said we got fleeced. It turned out good, but again that's because Dame recruited Jerami. Cronin COULD have negotiated to get the better of the Pelicans' pick that year and didn't. The details matter.

he did get the 'better' of the picks. Blazers would have landed a lottery pick if Paul George didn't get Covid. The Pels were not going to trade the unprotected Laker's pick...no chance

 

[wizenheimer]

Habla Espanol? We gave up 2 2nds for Matisse. Those 2 2nds came from GP2 for 5 2nds deal.

Kris was the pick we got for trading Josh Hart to NYK.

 

[BIG Q]

Not even getting a single definitive blue chip prospect that you can hang your hat on. Sounds about right for sell low joe.

I honestly believe it is due to many factors. I mention Dames age and contract. But they are not different from Durant. But Durant is 6'10, two times finals mvp and has had tons of playoff success. Dame, none of that. Durant is an option 1 on a playoff team. Dame is a second option. Just my opinion. Dame is a very good offensive player, but he provides no defense. Durant is a great defensive player too. I want Portland to get every once of blood out of this deal, but Dame does not seem to be worth a package of Bridges, Johnson and 4 FRP's when he only allows you to deal with one team that is lacking in assets. I'm sure Utah could do better. But Utah is not in play at this time.

 

[illmatic99]

I honestly believe it is due to many factors. I mention Dames age and contract. But they are not different from Durant. But Durant is 6'10, two times finals mvp and has had tons of playoff success. Dame, none of that. Durant is an option 1 on a playoff team. Dame is a second option. Just my opinion. Dame is a very good offensive player, but he provides no defense. Durant is a great defensive player too. I want Portland to get every once of blood out of this deal, but Dame does not seem to be worth a package of Bridges, Johnson and 4 FRP's when he only allows you to deal with one team that is lacking in assets. I'm sure Utah could do better. But Utah is not in play at this time.

Why is KD the only comp?

AD with one yr left (and a similar one destination scenario) brought back Ingram, Ball, Hart and picks.

Mitchell brought back Lauri, Sexton, Agbaji, and picks.

Nets gave up Jarrett Allen, LeVert, Taurean Princ, and three picks for Harden.

Ben Simmons brought back James Harden.

We don't have to do a shit deal now. Just wait.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

he did get the 'better' of the picks. Blazers would have landed a lottery pick if Paul George didn't get Covid. The Pels were not going to trade the unprotected Laker's pick...no chance

Coulda woulda shoulda. Should have negotiated the better of the picks. It wasn't clear that the Lakers were going to be a lottery team at that time.

We're bending over backwards trying to make excuses when everyone said we got fleeced at the time. It worked out because Dame recruited Jerami.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[BIG Q]

Why is KD the only comp?

AD with one yr left (and a similar one destination scenario) brought back Ingram, Ball, Hart and picks.

Mitchell brought back Lauri, Sexton, Agbaji, and picks.

Nets gave up Jarrett Allen, LeVert, Taurean Princ, and three picks for Harden.

Ben Simmons brought back James Harden.

We don't have to do a shit deal now. Just wait.

Only used Durant because of the ages of each player, comp wise. AD, Mitchell and Gobert younger than Dame. The Harden trades always make me cringe because he asks out after 2-3 seasons. But Harden was younger than Dame is now when commanding that haul. I agree to wait. Lillard has probably 2 prime years left, and a couple more good years, then the complete fall off other than becoming a bench sniper. Miami needs prime Dame now. I want every once Portland can extract.

 

[Natebishop3]

It worked out because Dame recruited Jerami.

But we negotiated that trade for CJ with Grant in mind. We specifically asked for the TPE and pick with trading for Grant. They were intrinsically linked. Maybe that trade would have been negotiated differently if we weren't preparing for the Grant trade..... but CJ sucks. In the end I think we fleeced them.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

All star one time doesn't mean they are star. He's not good enough to be deemed an actual star.

Again I agree with you I don’t consider him a star either and again that wasn’t my point lol. Sheesh

 

[HailBlazers]

Agreed, but as I also said earlier, you can push all your chips in but if nobody calls....

I don't think Dame plays poker.

We weren't willing to push ALL (Sharpe+Scoot) of our chips in (Rightfully So). But if that's what Dame expected than good riddance.