Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Natebishop3 said:
Does the NBA step in if the Blazers didn’t ask them to? I’m just wondering if we complained or if the NBA did this on their own. Either way, it seems like we are trying to force Dame to expand his list.
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Honestly think a lot of other team would complain. They don't want a precedent where this could happen next with their star.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't believe for a second that this dude has done anything that Dame didn't tell him to do.
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The truth is more nuanced.

Typically the agent (lawyer, consultant, etc) goes to their client and says "Here is the situation, and I think we ought to do X." Once the client agrees, you move forward with the plan.

Good agents (lawyers, consultants, etc) say "Here is the situation. We have 3 options. We can do X, Y, or Z. Option X is most likely the best choice because... What would you like to do?" At which point the client directs the activities.

Either way, Goodwin is most likely the one giving ideas and recommending routes to move forward.... but NOTHING happens without Dame's authorization.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The relevant teams provided descriptions of their communications with Goodwin that were mostly, though not entirely, consistent with Goodwin’s statements to us. We have advised Goodwin and Lillard that any future comments, made privately to teams or publicly, suggesting Lillard will not fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade will subject Lillard to discipline by the NBA. We also have advised the Players Association that any similar comments by players or their agents will be subject to discipline going forward.”
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AKA - Goodwin lied.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You already set the terms. You said the LMA leaving for nothing was basically the same as taking back the Heat package. I completely disagree. Getting some unprotected first rounders is a massive upgrade over getting nothing at all. So even if the Heat package isn't great, it's MILES better than letting a star player walk for nothing. ESPECIALLY in Portland where cap space is worth almost nothing.
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Who's going to walk for nothing? You're not suggesting Dame would right? He's under contract.

And what terms are you talking about? I don't know what the Heat are offering and neither do you. It's a complete hypothetical. If you're asking me whether or not I'd accept two first round picks for Dame, the answer is no. I would not. He's under contract. He can expand his list and we can get a better deal somewhere else.
 
Natebishop3 said:
One left for zero value.

Correct?
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Yes, but that's got nothing to do with my argument. You're argument is different. You're suggesting that getting something is better than nothing. That's true, but not my argument.

My argument is that receiving a 1st or a 2nd, would not help the new chapter adequately. Same as if we get a 2nd round pick for Aldridge, that would be not be sufficient in helping Dame win a championship. If we botch this, the Scoot and Shaedon chapter of this franchise is already screwed.

The same way it was screwed when we didn't get anything back for Aldridge.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Great move by the NBA. :clap:

Goodwin is obviously lying.
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But who is he lying to? Goodwin came out publicly stating Lillard only wanted Miami. Then he claims in the NBA investigation that he did not say what is alleged in the memo to him. So, if he did not actually talk to the gm's, obviously he lied to the public. No big deal. But did he lie to Lillard about it as well?
 
wizenheimer said:
I try not to say "I told you so!" because I've been wrong, plenty, although not for hours now

but.....

I've been pushing back, for more than a year, against all of the people who have been calling for Dame to be traded while they were expecting a "haul"...a godfather package in return. I just haven't seen that thinking as anywhere close to realistic. The reasons are obvious: Dame is in his 30's; he's 6'2; he's weak defensively; he's on a 4 year contract that pays over 60M when he's 36

the easy excuse to reach for right now is the unreasonable Miami-or-bust stance he and his agent are taking. But even without that, which teams would actually roll out some major offer?

* Brooklyn doesn't seen interested, at all...understandably; especially considering they have resurrected their future out of the grave of previous stupid moves and transactions

* Philly has no assets other than Maxey. Only one 1st round pick and it's not till 2030

* Boston? their interest was always grossly overrated around here and the Brown signing has torpedoed what little there was

* New York? 26 year old Brunson at 25M/year or 33 year old Dame at 54M/year? c'mon man

* New Orleans? great...Dame for CJ

* Utah? Cronin vs Ainge; yeah that will work well

you don't think Pat Riley can read these same tea leaves? By most 'accounts', Miami isn't even approaching the max offer they could make for Dame. Maybe they will by training camp, but they sure as shit won't go max until Dame backs off of his Miami-or-bust posture; and even if he does, that won't generate the kind of offers some are expecting. Right now, to me, it looks like Cronin's best option is too simply tell Dame to be ready to report to Blazer training camp and be ready to play when the season starts. The best lever Cronin has is that the Blazers are going nowhere next season
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Now it wont, but before the trade deadline there will be better offers
 
If I'm Joe I would get on the phone with Goodwin and tell him to get me a list of 8 teams that Dame would prefer and tell Goodwin that he can even tier the list but that we want to know the other places that Dame would want to go because we want Dame in a place he wants to be and Miami isn't getting things done.
 
BIG Q said:
But who is he lying to? Goodwin came out publicly stating Lillard only wanted Miami. Then he claims in the NBA investigation that he did not say what is alleged in the memo to him. So, if he did not actually talk to the gm's, obviously he lied to the public. No big deal. But did he lie to Lillard about it as well?
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inconceivable said:
But when?

Did he lie when he said he told teams Dame will not play for them weeks ago.

Or did he lie now when he said he did not tell teams Dame will not play for them.
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Goodwin lied to the NBA during their investigation.

First statement
Goodwin denied stating or indicating to any team that Lillard would refuse to play for them.
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The NBA checked with several teams to see if he was telling the truth. The second statement says:
The relevant teams provided descriptions of their communications with Goodwin that were mostly, though not entirely, consistent with Goodwin’s statements to us.
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So Goodwin lied to the NBA about telling teams that Dame would not play for them... It is obvious that he called around and told teams that.
 
I wonder if this NBA memo could end up hurting Portland? What if no other team now shows interest? It seems then we will be in a worse bargaining position/
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I wonder if this NBA memo could end up hurting Portland? What if no other team now shows interest? It seems then we will be in a worse bargaining position/
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How do you figure? If anything this puts pressure on Dame/his agent to be open to other teams, giving incentive for other teams to make legitimate offers thinking they have a chance.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Goodwin lied to the NBA during their investigation.

First statement

The NBA checked with several teams to see if he was telling the truth. The second statement says:

So Goodwin lied to the NBA about telling teams that Dame would not play for them... It is obvious that he called around and told teams that.
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Thanks, I thought that is what I was reading. Sometimes the memo's put out are hard to follow.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Great move by the NBA. :clap:

Goodwin is obviously lying.
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my hunch is that Goodwin is saying to the NBA office that he never told teams Dame wouldn't honor his contract if he was traded to a team other than Miami. But I sure recall him being quoted as saying any team trading for Dame would be getting an "unhappy camper"

hair-spitting bullshit obviously, but it's an effective dodge
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Great move by the NBA. :clap:

Goodwin is obviously lying.
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The memo said as much:

We interviewed Goodwin and Lillard and also spoke with several NBA teams to whom Goodwin spoke. Goodwin denied stating or indicating to any team that Lillard would refuse to play for them. Goodwin and Lillard affirmed to us that Lillard would fully perform the services called for under his player contract in any trade scenario. The relevant teams provided descriptions of their communications with Goodwin that were mostly, though not entirely, consistent with Goodwin’s statements to us.
 
AmirIcon said:
How do you figure? If anything this puts pressure on Dame/his agent to be open to other teams, giving incentive for other teams to make legitimate offers thinking they have a chance.
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I'm just saying that before Portland could say that Lillard needs to open up his list of teams so we can get competitive bids. Now NBA has stepped in and is basically saying that Lillard must open his list. What if now no one is interested?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't believe for a second that this dude has done anything that Dame didn't tell him to do.
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In general I agree... I'd modify the statement and say "I don't believe Goodwin would do anything without Dame's approval."

It's possible Goodwin gave Dame bad advice to do this "only Miami" thing and Dame trusted him that it would work because Goodwin is supposed to be the expert in how these things work.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm just saying that before Portland could say that Lillard needs to open up his list of teams so we can get competitive bids. Now NBA has stepped in and is basically saying that Lillard must open his list. What if now no one is interested?
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I think more importantly, if Goodwin/Dame come out and say pubically they're opening to playing anywhere, do any of the other 28 teams buy it?

I can't imagine this statement by the NBA has changed how Goodwin/Dame feel, but it might mean the messaging will come from "sources" further removed from Dame's camp.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm just saying that before Portland could say that Lillard needs to open up his list of teams so we can get competitive bids. Now NBA has stepped in and is basically saying that Lillard must open his list. What if now no one is interested?
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that's not accurate as far as I can tell

the NBA is telling Dame and his agent to put corks in that kind of Miami-or-bust talk. Any more tactics likt that and Dame would be facing fines

but the NBA is not telling them to expand their list of preferred teams; just telling them to shut the fuck up. Without affirmative action from Dame and his agent I can't see this situation changing any. And I don't expect that kind of action
 
Natebishop3 said:


Full NBA memo sent to all 30 teams regarding rhetoric on trade request made by Damian Lillard and his agent Aaron Goodwin. “Recent media reports stated that Damian Lillard’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, called multiple NBA teams to warn them against trading for Lillard because Lillard’s only desired trade destination is Miami. Goodwin also made public comments indicating that Lillard would not fully perform the services called for under his player contract if traded to another team. We interviewed Goodwin and Lillard and also spoke with several NBA teams to whom Goodwin spoke. Goodwin denied stating or indicating to any team that Lillard would refuse to play for them. Goodwin and Lillard affirmed to us that Lillard would fully perform the services called for under his player contract in any trade scenario. The relevant teams provided descriptions of their communications with Goodwin that were mostly, though not entirely, consistent with Goodwin’s statements to us. We have advised Goodwin and Lillard that any future comments, made privately to teams or publicly, suggesting Lillard will not fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade will subject Lillard to discipline by the NBA. We also have advised the Players Association that any similar comments by players or their agents will be subject to discipline going forward.”
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Funny how Haynes isn't pontificating or carrying water for Dame or Goodwin now, just the facts here.
 
Warning shots across the bow.
They let it slide ... no trade got done ... and they had to say "Enough."
One of their teams was getting played by an agent, player, and another team with a complicit national media.
Awaiting the third act of this play.
 
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