Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Mediocre Man said:
Despite what you may think of them, if Joe comes out of this with Ayton, Herro and a pick or two, that’s a decent haul for 33 year old Dame
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Odd if we keep Herro but not Jovic Jaquez?

Maybe you were just listing the two biggest names....

I like Herro but yeah doesn't make sense here..... Who knows we've been saying that with guards for longer than I can remember,
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Blazers already have 5 of them, Jovic and Jaquez are third stringers.

So getting those two and Ayton doesn't sound good at all for Dame and Nurk. Better have bunch of picks.
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Man what do you expect out of this? Some expectations are so wild
 
If we trade Dame to Miami for a nothing burger I think I am going to struggle to watch this team. Why get attached to Scoot and Sharpe when they are already breaking ground on their LA, Miami, Boston or what have you mansions? They won't stay, they will probably force their way outs seconds after the ink dries on their second contract.

I just do not, do NOT understand how this can happen. What I mean is, why would Portland agree to destroy its chances for a Championship for all of time and simultaneously nuke the 85% of the League FOREVER by granting Dame what he wants? WHY?!?!?! I'm legit struggling to understand how you don't just either A) Not trade him, or B) Trade him literally anywhere but Miami. By doing this, you're signing your own death warrant and ensuring that this franchise and about 23 others are done FOREVER!
 
Idog1976 said:
If we trade Dame to Miami for a nothing burger I think I am going to struggle to watch this team. Why get attached to Scoot and Sharpe when they are already breaking ground on their LA, Miami, Boston or what have you mansions? They won't stay, they will probably force their way outs seconds after the ink dries on their second contract.

I just do not, do NOT understand how this can happen. What I mean is, why would Portland agree to destroy its chances for a Championship for all of time and simultaneously nuke the 85% of the League FOREVER by granting Dame what he wants? WHY?!?!?! I'm legit struggling to understand how you don't just either A) Not trade him, or B) Trade him literally anywhere but Miami. By doing this, you're signing your own death warrant and ensuring that this franchise and about 23 others are done FOREVER!
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The Blazers must maximize value on youngish, real players and picks for their top 75 player ... who at 33 and Butler at 34 have about a 3 year window. In contrast, Portland is looking at a 3 year runway for its youth.
Lillard with the Heat makes them a contender in the East along with Boston, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia. Cleveland, New York, Indiana, and Toronto will be winning games. Lillard may push Miami over the top but not for long.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
The Blazers must maximize value on youngish, real players and picks for their top 75 player ... who at 33 and Butler at 34 have about a 3 year window. In contrast, Portland is looking at a 3 year runway for its youth.
Lillard with the Heat makes them a contender in the East along with Boston, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia. Cleveland, New York, Indiana, and Toronto will be winning games. Lillard may push Miami over the top but not for long.
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OK. How does that help us to avoid you know, the Armageddon of no player will EVER stay past their rookie contract? You do realize that the runway you describe is exactly the length of Sharpe's contract which he will just re-sign, and then demand a trade because, why not, we will just send him anywhere he wants for pennies on the dollar because, why wouldn't we just take a shot gun and blow off our own leg?
 
blazedanugz said:
Man what do you expect out of this? Some expectations are so wild
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Dude literally listed 5 players already on our roster as the key to a post Lillard trade Blazers. If we flip Nurk and something for Ayton then we're just trading Dame for Jaquez and Jovic? That's beyond stupid.
 
Idog1976 said:
If we trade Dame to Miami for a nothing burger I think I am going to struggle to watch this team. Why get attached to Scoot and Sharpe when they are already breaking ground on their LA, Miami, Boston or what have you mansions? They won't stay, they will probably force their way outs seconds after the ink dries on their second contract.

I just do not, do NOT understand how this can happen. What I mean is, why would Portland agree to destroy its chances for a Championship for all of time and simultaneously nuke the 85% of the League FOREVER by granting Dame what he wants? WHY?!?!?! I'm legit struggling to understand how you don't just either A) Not trade him, or B) Trade him literally anywhere but Miami. By doing this, you're signing your own death warrant and ensuring that this franchise and about 23 others are done FOREVER!
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Calm down. More small market teams have won titles the last two decades than big markets.

Blazers do need to get this Dame trade right. But it's not going to change the future of the NBA or something. It's just one all star trade of which there are a few every year.

Last 18 months we had 3 superstars demand trades our of NY.... this isn't just a Portland thing and Dame won't be the last.
 
Idog1976 said:
OK. How does that help us to avoid you know, the Armageddon of no player will EVER stay past their rookie contract? You do realize that the runway you describe is exactly the length of Sharpe's contract which he will just re-sign, and then demand a trade because, why not, we will just send him anywhere he wants for pennies on the dollar because, why wouldn't we just take a shot gun and blow off our own leg?
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Build a winning team around them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Calm down. More small market teams have won titles the last two decades than big markets.

Blazers do need to get this Dame trade right. But it's not going to change the future of the NBA or something. It's just one all star trade of which there are a few every year.

Last 18 months we had 3 superstars demand trades our of NY.... this isn't just a Portland thing and Dame won't be the last.
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You might want to research your first statement. That’s not remotely true
 
SharpesTriumph said:
For Lillard I expect a great young player like Scottie Barnes, or a collection of multiple picks with far lesser players like Jovic Jaquez. If not then keep Lillard regardless of it being awkward.
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Now let’s play Devils advocate

would you trade 2nd year Dame for a 33 year old player who has been “injured” and never won a damn thing?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Now let’s play Devils advocate

would you trade 2nd year Dame for a 33 year old player who has been “injured” and never won a damn thing?
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Your question started out strong and then really lost credibility. Dame had an injury that he is fully recovered from with virtually zero chance of recurrence and every front office in the league knows he's never won a damn thing because he hasn't had the right team around him.

Like I said though, you started out strong and no one should trade a player that they solidly projected to be a perennial all nba selection for a 33 year old all nba selection at the top of his game. We should expect to get a package with a couple of prospects maybe one is viewed to be a solid contributor that may have reached his ceiling and the other could have some upside but hasn't shown much of it to this point. Those would be solid value adds in a package along with picks and possibly a more established talent who isn't all nba level and probably at a position seen as less valuable than guard in a guard driven league. That's what you should get for one of the four best guards in the league who is still at the top of his game especially if you add a starting caliber player outgoing at the same time as the all nba second team guard.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You might want to research your first statement. That’s not remotely true
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It is true, 5 big markets have won and 6 smaller markets:

Denver
Milwaukee
Toronto
Cleveland
San Antonio
Detroit

Golden State
LA
Dallas
Miami
Boston

How many titles have the Knicks Nets and Clippers played for being in the top 2 markets?
 
I'm not going to be disappointed about what we get for Lillard, because we're going to stay on the treadmill until he's gone. Dame doesn't want to tank anymore, and the NBA is cracking down on that. He'll keep us a .500 team.

The young core needs to get out from under his shadow to grow. Plus we'll have much more financial flexibility with his contract off the books.

If we wanted a huge Haul for Dame, I think we needed to have traded him years ago.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Blazers already have 5 of them, Jovic and Jaquez are third stringers.

So getting those two and Ayton doesn't sound good at all for Dame and Nurk. Better have bunch of picks.
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yep....looks like some people are already working hard to justify a poor trade

maybe it will end up much better after all the details are known. I'm pretty skeptical about that though. I knew the Blazers would have trouble getting 50 cents on the dollar trading Dame, but they may have settled for less than a quarter on the dollar. IMO, no trade is better than a bad trade...always. But again, gotta see all the ancillary components

If Ayton is the only significant addition, at the cost of Nurkic...and Dame of course, the Blazers will be a bad team. Really bad. Ayton is an offensive upgrade and a defensive downgrade; about even in rebounding although Nurkic is slightly better

right now, my hunch is that 12 teams in the Western Conference will be better: all 5 in the Pacific Division; the other 4 in the the Northwest Division; and 3 in the Southwest. Blazers will be battling Houston and San Antonio for anti-bragging rights. I said 6 years in the lottery earlier. This will pivot on Scoot/Sharpe. If they both explode, Blazers could be better than I expect. But if one settles in at Anfernee level, or worse, Blazers will bad for a long time IMO

I guess I shouldn't be complaining....I've been saying for months that if Portland does trade Dame, their best option would be to trade Nurkic, Grant, and Ant. And just suck for a while and hope for amazing lottery luck. Looks like they are on that path
 
BigGameDamian said:
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The premise of this article is lame. What has changed? Honestly has this dude been paying attention? What has changed is the teams are reportedly actually going back and forth for the first time. That's what has changed. I've felt like if the two sides stopped posturing in the media and being hellbent on keeping their cards close to their chests/vests or whatever, that shit would get done and that appears to be what is happening.

I still think since nothing has been announced yet that the whole thing could fall apart but you have one party that has to be very motivated even if they're trying not to show it because if they want to win a championship, Miami would really benefit from a training camp and full season together. We are also at least a little motivated to turn the page but that shouldn't force too much urgency.

Just waiting to see what happens but this dude's article fell a little flat for me.
 
wizenheimer said:
yep....looks like some people are already working hard to justify a poor trade

maybe it will end up much better after all the details are known. I'm pretty skeptical about that though. I knew the Blazers would have trouble getting 50 cents on the dollar trading Dame, but they may have settled for less than a quarter on the dollar. IMO, no trade is better than a bad trade...always. But again, gotta see all the ancillary components

If Ayton is the only significant addition, at the cost of Nurkic...and Dame of course, the Blazers will be a bad team. Really bad. Ayton is an offensive upgrade and a defensive downgrade; about even in rebounding although Nurkic is slightly better

right now, my hunch is that 12 teams in the Western Conference will be better: all 5 in the Pacific Division; the other 4 in the the Northwest Division; and 3 in the Southwest. Blazers will be battling Houston and San Antonio for anti-bragging rights. I said 6 years in the lottery earlier. This will pivot on Scoot/Sharpe. If they both explode, Blazers could be better than I expect. But if one settles in at Anfernee level, or worse, Blazers will bad for a long time IMO

I guess I shouldn't be complaining....I've been saying for months that if Portland does trade Dame, their best option would be to trade Nurkic, Grant, and Ant. And just suck for a while and hope for amazing lottery luck. Looks like they are on that path
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Yeah if those were the players we acquire, but we get 2 unprotected picks from Miami, unprotected swap, and a good pick for Herro it will be a great trade. If not and the only components are those players it will be a bad trade - no trade would have been much better.
 
blazerkor said:
The premise of this article is lame. What has changed? Honestly has this dude been paying attention? What has changed is the teams are reportedly actually going back and forth for the first time. That's what has changed. I've felt like if the two sides stopped posturing in the media and being hellbent on keeping their cards close to their chests/vests or whatever, that shit would get done and that appears to be what is happening.

I still think since nothing has been announced yet that the whole thing could fall apart but you have one party that has to be very motivated even if they're trying not to show it because if they want to win a championship, Miami would really benefit from a training camp and full season together. We are also at least a little motivated to turn the page but that shouldn't force too much urgency.

Just waiting to see what happens but this dude's article fell a little flat for me.
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I think what changed is the other 28 front offices in the NBA came back from vacation. This was always going to be a complex multi team deal, so Portland and Miami couldn't really do anything while so many 3rd and 4th teams out on vacation.

Also this is a deadline driven league. Draft, trade deadline, free agency, etc. In this case training camp. Teams want to get this resolved then, so its totally fine that it drags on a few months.

I'm as eager as you or anyone to move on with hopefully an OK trade and focus on the next Blazers chapter..... but it makes a lot of sense why nothing has happened the last few months.
 
TBpup said:
That team would win just as many playoff series as the last version did in the past 4 years.....none. But at least there would be a new vision, much more youth, and a feeling of starting over.

No matter how that might work out.
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that core sucks

I appreciate JPperspective trying to paint a turd…

but a turd is a turd
 
Dame & Nurk for
Simmons, Clax, Royce & 2 picks

This really helps the Nets and DL can buddy up.
Portland would get two young players that can beef top the front court and one solid veteran in Royce.
Makes us good defensive team right away.
 
Blazinaway said:
How bout quit telling people what to do, it's a free forum and we post what we want with reason, if you don't like it then don't read it
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To be fair @KingSpeed / @KSF-ERIC does tend to troll with bullshit tweets that he knows don't have any basis in our reality... he even made up an account one time to do it. I think that shit should stop, or random redditors posts being reposted. At least I wish people would stop littering that shit all over the place in this forum but like you said, we can only make requests no one thinks they have the authority to tell people what to do. Except maybe that tyrant @SlyPokerDog :cheers:
 
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