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TBpup said:
But we do know how many wins we got in the last 4 seasons, and it wasn't as many as the losses we had. So maybe it's best all the way around because it wasn't working the way it was going and sure, we could have given away the farm for an OG type player....and that might not have been enough and what if Dame still asks to move on if we go 1st round and out....AGAIN.
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but this idea that Portland is magically on the right track is based upon nothing right now. Just wishful thinking. Grant at 32M/year for 5 years? Where is the upside in that deal for that player? Portland possibly not getting any draft picks from a Dame trade for years? Cronin quite possibly trying to put together a competitive team that would very likely have a ceiling of play-in berths and lousy draft picks because the team won too many games to be viable in the lottery

I'm seeing people who hated the purgatory Portland was in get excited about a future that could easily be a same or even worse purgatory, and almost certainly will be if Cronin bollixes a Dame trade. And many of those same people think Cronin is a fool...sell low Joe...but are somehow convinced he's going to do great in a Dame trade when his counterpart could be Pat Riley or Sean Marks or even Danny Ainge
 
I fully expect to get pennies on the dollar in this trade. I just want it over.
 
illmatic99 said:
We are going to be the worst team in the west next yr
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So, 2 lower than last year? OK. I can live with it. We will see what the Dame trade brings and how Scoot and Shae look together.

Would not surprise me if you are right, would not surprise me if you are wrong.
 
andalusian said:
So, 2 lower than last year? OK. I can live with it. We will see what the Dame trade brings and how Scoot and Shae look together.

Would not surprise me if you are right, would not surprise me if you are wrong.
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Scoot for ROY will be the only compelling thing for us to watch, unless our FO decides yet again to tank
 
wizenheimer said:
but this idea that Portland is magically on the right track is based upon nothing right now. Just wishful thinking. Grant at 32M/year for 5 years? Where is the upside in that deal for that player? Portland possibly not getting any draft picks from a Dame trade for years? Cronin quite possibly trying to put together a competitive team that would very likely have a ceiling of play-in berths and lousy draft picks because the team won too many games to be viable in the lottery

I'm seeing people who hated the purgatory Portland was in get excited about a future that could easily be a same or even worse purgatory, and almost certainly will be if Cronin bollixes a Dame trade. And many of those same people think Cronin is a fool...sell low Joe...but are somehow convinced he's going to do great in a Dame trade when his counterpart could be Pat Riley or Sean Marks or even Danny Ainge
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But that brings up a great point.....we don't know what the future holds. But we do know what has happened recently, and it wasn't pretty, whether we were purposely tanking or not. The Grant signing makes no sense on it's own, but they were trying to keep Dame with re-signing the player Dame wanted here just not that long ago. Now are they stuck with Grant thinking they would signing him with Dame in the future? Then as soon as he is signed, Dame asks for a trade? That really stinks if we are tied to him because of something we were trying to do to keep Dame.

And Joe will very likely be outclassed by some of the best GM's in the business. They do that to almost everyone. But now there is at least some hope. Hope that these players develop and we can build around them. Even though the record will be worse, although it can't be that much worse than where we have been relegated to the last few years, at least there will be a direction instead of the damn straddling the fence crap.
 
wizenheimer said:
but this idea that Portland is magically on the right track is based upon nothing right now. Just wishful thinking.
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What is the matter with that path? Tell me......if the start date is today.....and the end date is a point in the future where fans can determine that the news today, was bad or good.....isn't it a choice? Don't we all get to choose how we want that next however many months or years to feel?

Personally, I choose that today is the start of something better. Even if I'm wrong, I at least get to enjoy all that time. I would always rather that I was wrong in being happy, that right in being miserable.
 
Is this the quickest growing thread on S2 history? 58 pages and started this morning?
@SlyPokerDog inquiring minds want to know.
Di this thread go from infancy to middle aged adult quicker than any prior?
Holy nutcakes.
 
illmatic99 said:
Scoot for ROY will be the only compelling thing for us to watch, unless our FO decides yet again to tank
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Maybe. Or maybe Billups is a better coach than we have seen when he has a team that can play the style he hopes for. There are reasons to watch. Last year the main reason to watch, once Winslow went down and the Blazers tough defense collapsed was to see how Shaedon progresses, except from that magical every year month when Dame goes Nuclear. I am ready for some bad basketball with a lot of effort. Not sure we got that much of it in recent years.

But, there are other options. Sharpe showing how quickly he progresses when the team is basically in his hands (and Scoot), how good Scoot really is, etc... I am ready to watch more team oriented Blazers offense than in recent years.
 
TBpup said:
But that brings up a great point.....we don't know what the future holds. But we do know what has happened recently, and it wasn't pretty, whether we were purposely tanking or not. The Grant signing makes no sense on it's own, but they were trying to keep Dame with re-signing the player Dame wanted here just not that long ago. Now are they stuck with Grant thinking they would signing him with Dame in the future? Then as soon as he is signed, Dame asks for a trade? That really stinks if we are tied to him because of something we were trying to do to keep Dame.

And Joe will very likely be outclassed by some of the best GM's in the business. They do that to almost everyone. But now there is at least some hope. Hope that these players develop and we can build around them. Even though the record will be worse, although it can't be that much worse than where we have been relegated to the last few years, at least there will be a direction instead of the damn straddling the fence crap.
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you're getting philosophical....I was asking a specific question to somebody who implied the Blazers were building a better team without Dame than with him. For all we know, Portland could spend the next 7 years in the lottery
 
What kind of power does he have if this gets nasty? What’s he gonna do, not collect his 50 mil this year? Yeah right. Call the bluff ball-less Joe!
 
BassPlaya said:
What is the matter with that path? Tell me......if the start date is today.....and the end date is a point in the future where fans can determine that the news today, was bad or good.....isn't it a choice? Don't we all get to choose how we want that next however many months or years to feel?

Personally, I choose that today is the start of something better. Even if I'm wrong, I at least get to enjoy all that time. I would always rather that I was wrong in being happy, that right in being miserable.
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that's not what I was asking about
 
TBpup said:
Interesting. Name a bigger '3' in the NBA than Butler, Bam and Dame. If there are, there aren't many and that completely goes against what he has indicated for so long.
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Maybe Dame feels like since he couldn't do it his way here, he'll just go to the place where he has the best chance at the most rings.
 
Hoopguru said:
Cronin Failed
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...at the impossible. Fuck Olshey. Oh well, only thanks to Dame as he gave his best and of course will be thought of among the greats of the franchise and a class act. I hope he wins and Portland gets what they need to build a contender down the line. I think this is for the best for both parties.

STOMP
 
wizenheimer said:
you're getting philosophical....I was asking a specific question to somebody who implied the Blazers were building a better team without Dame than with him. For all we know, Portland could spend the next 7 years in the lottery
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Okay, and with Dame we were in the Lottery the last 2 years. Sorry my response wasn't to your liking.
 
I think that July 1st, should be the day from here forward that we celebrate finger pointing. I mean....what the heck. Don't we have like...a taco day?
 
TBpup said:
Okay, and with Dame we were in the Lottery the last 2 years. Sorry my response wasn't to your liking.
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c'mon man....you've made a point several times to complain about people responding to points other people didn't make. And you're doing it to me now

I asked somebody how they could know Portland was doing a better job building a team without Dame than they did with him. That was all
 
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