Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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wizenheimer said:
I don't know if it's so much working together as it is just standing back and letting Riley win a leak/PR battle

the key is Cronin not falling for it, but people are naive to think that when any star who asks out and has preferred destinations, the team the star is on hasn't already lost major leverage

it happens with just about every star, and when the preferred teams are out there, the competing bids are going to be weak, if there are any bids at all

I can't believe that people didn't expect Portland to face a situation like this if it got to the point of Dame asking out. You can hate Dame all you want for what he's doing and what you think he's doing, but it won't change the situation the Blazers are in. It was ALWAYS going to end up a pennies-on-the dollar deal. The Blazers chose this path, and they chose it over the course of several seasons
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It will likely take years to know the return.
The trade by Chicago for Valenciunas was given an "A" rating and Orlando got a "B" at the time of the trade.
Now, it looks like a cluster F$#% for Chicago, and a huge win for Orlando.
 
PCmor7 said:
I take this as a hint that Dame and the Heat think they are losing ground or don't feel they have any ground to stand on in the first place. They're going all out pushing an emotional narrative that's very easily rebutted.

We're already seen a few national pundits with pretty big followings like Broussard and Cowherd come out for the Blazers in this. I suspect they won't be the last to do so. Dame's making himself more and more of the big bad, and when you build a reputation that you're on another level in terms of righteousness, it attracts detractors like vultures when the hypocrisy starts to show.
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EXACTLY!!!
 
PCmor7 said:
I take this as a hint that Dame and the Heat think they are losing ground or don't feel they have any ground to stand on in the first place. They're going all out pushing an emotional narrative that's very easily rebutted.

We're already seen a few national pundits with pretty big followings like Broussard and Cowherd come out for the Blazers in this. I suspect they won't be the last to do so. Dame's making himself more and more of the big bad, and when you build a reputation that you're on another level in terms of righteousness, it attracts detractors like vultures when the hypocrisy starts to show.
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Dame and the Heat never had any ground. They think they can get Dame for close to nothing.
 
LayneStaley said:
The advantage we have is time, it really doesn’t matter if we don’t get a deal done all summer. We are rebuilding and will suck this season. Mia wants this done asap to see who they need to add after the trade and the longer that takes the more of those guys will be signed elsewhere.
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I politely disagree that Portland has the advantage of time. Certainly, they don't have to rush into a trade in the next 2 weeks, but this situation will get worse as it starts to drag into training camp, if it goes that far. I suppose with TC approaching, Miami might get a little more desperate, but their assets won't get better
 
Miami seems to think nobody else wants Dame and are bidding accordingly.

Unfortunately for them, Nurkic and Dame to Brooklyn instantly turns Brooklyn into a contender.

Lose-lose for Miami. Riley won't look so smart knowing he was Dame's preferred destination.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Fentress works for the Oregonian and he’s trash.

Marang used to be a poster on here and someone decided to pay him money to listen to his arrogant rants. He’s on 1080 now.
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Watched one Marang podcast and that was all it took to realize he's a complete and utter toolbag/asshat. Pretended to take a fake call during his podcast when Cronin announced we are committed to building around Dame.

How in the fuck do these folks get a following? They don't know jack shit. They do the pied piper work for the players thinking it's going to benefit them down the road. Fn losers.
 
RonBrewer said:
Cot Damn i hope Joe doesn't fold here. Fuck the rest of the NBA. Give zero fucks about what they think.
Fuck 'em all. STAY FIRM JOE. I support you
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What's sad, is he will explore all avenues, talk with his staff of of professionals, and make the best deal available. In return, the will be fans on Twitter and message forms, who literaly have no sense of reality, suggesting he folded. Ducking lame, but it's the price one pays to reach the top of their game in a business like this.
 
bemac said:
What's sad, is he will explore all avenues, talk with his staff of of professionals, and make the best deal available. In return, the will be fans on Twitter and message forms, who literaly have no sense of reality, suggesting he folded. Ducking lame, but it's the price one pays to reach the top of their game in a business like this.
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The only way I would be upset is if he made a poor deal quickly.
 
RonBrewer said:
Watched one Marang podcast and that was all it took to realize he's a complete and utter toolbag/asshat. Pretended to take a fake call during his podcast when Cronin announced we are committed to building around Dame.

How in the fuck do these folks get a following? They don't know jack shit. They do the pied piper work for the players thinking it's going to benefit them down the road. Fn losers.
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He spends his whole show belittling his co-host and acting like he knows everything.
 
bemac said:
What's sad, is he will explore all avenues, talk with his staff of of professionals, and make the best deal available. In return, the will be fans on Twitter and message forms, who literaly have no sense of reality, suggesting he folded. Ducking lame, but it's the price one pays to reach the top of their game in a business like this.
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At this point it's clear. Dame gives zero fucks about what we end up with. He's forcing the issue. Even the staunchest of Dame supporters have to admit that.

I believe in Joe here. For no other reason is he's taking some hits nationally and still saying the right things. It's all about the Blazers now
 
BrianFromWA said:
I get Haynes, but who/why are Fentress and Marang? POR personalities?
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Trying to draw attention on a bigger stage. We already saw it with Fentress when he got skewered by Broussard. His approach easily was exposed as being intellectually dishonest because he had no good response when Broussard and his co-host took up for the Blazers' side. He thought he was sitting in on the Miami-driven national echo chamber that the Blazers had been mistreating Dame all these years and now were going to kick him one more time on the way out.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I guess he missed the memo about what Blazers are looking for.
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He might have. I think the bigger point coming out of that was another national voice saying the Heat aren't or shouldn't be the only game in town when it comes to trading Dame. He actually said from Dame's standpoint going to the Heat makes no sense and he had some interesting data on how no team whose top two players are in their 30s have won an NBA championship, or something like that.
 
PCmor7 said:
I take this as a hint that Dame and the Heat think they are losing ground or don't feel they have any ground to stand on in the first place. They're going all out pushing an emotional narrative that's very easily rebutted.

We're already seen a few national pundits with pretty big followings like Broussard and Cowherd come out for the Blazers in this. I suspect they won't be the last to do so. Dame's making himself more and more of the big bad, and when you build a reputation that you're on another level in terms of righteousness, it attracts detractors like vultures when the hypocrisy starts to show.
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I don't disagree with that

the pool of assets the Heat have is limited. I think Riley was a snake for signing Jaquez when he did, but the Blazers could wait that out, and Jaquez is not that good of an asset. He's not the make-or-break fulcrum of the trade. Portland has Dame; Miami has what they have. The real problem is that Miami's assets aren't good enough so other teams will have to be involved. And those other team won't give a shit about any pissing contest between Blazer-Dame-Heat. Those teams won't care about national or PDX/Miami narratives

I guess what I'm saying is that the PR battle between PDX/Dame/Miami is a sideshow. Unless some surprise team comes in and offers a big package for Dame (unlikely), it sure looks like it's a PDX/Miami/BKN deal in one form or the other. It's kind of crazy that a Dame trade package will probably come down to the value some 3rd team assigns Tyler Herro
 
RonBrewer said:
He's a clown. They replied to every comment but mine. They didn't want the smoke.

Wish he still posted here but he doesn't have the balls.
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@ him and see if he comes back from the notification it will send him.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't disagree with that

the pool of assets the Heat have is limited. I think Riley was a snake for signing Jaquez when he did, but the Blazers could wait that out, and Jaquez is not that good of an asset. He's not the make-or-break fulcrum of the trade. Portland has Dame; Miami has what they have. The real problem is that Miami's assets aren't good enough so other teams will have to be involved. And those other team won't give a shit about any pissing contest between Blazer-Dame-Heat. Those teams won't care about national or PDX/Miami narratives

I guess what I'm saying is that the PR battle between PDX/Dame/Miami is a sideshow. Unless some surprise team comes in and offers a big package for Dame (unlikely), it sure looks like it's a PDX/Miami/BKN deal in one form or the other. It's kind of crazy that a Dame package trade will probably come down to the value some 3rd team assigns Tyler Herro
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I think that's all fair and quite likely. The one area I deviate from your thinking is Jaquez. He's a 22-year-old, 5-year college guy (because of the COVID exemption) who does so many little things well and has such an advanced understanding of the game. The only hole in his game is a little bit of lateral quickness, but his savvy covers for that a lot of the time. I think Riley signed him because he knows that, knows that he'll be able to contribute sooner than other rookies and figured the Blazers would want him but if he could push for a quick trade, signing him would remove him from the picture.

He's a low-visibility asset, but I think he's a lot better asset than people realize, and I think personnel people know it.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't disagree with that

the pool of assets the Heat have is limited. I think Riley was a snake for signing Jaquez when he did, but the Blazers could wait that out, and Jaquez is not that good of an asset. He's not the make-or-break fulcrum of the trade. Portland has Dame; Miami has what they have. The real problem is that Miami's assets aren't good enough so other teams will have to be involved. And those other team won't give a shit about any pissing contest between Blazer-Dame-Heat. Those teams won't care about national or PDX/Miami narratives

I guess what I'm saying is that the PR battle between PDX/Dame/Miami is a sideshow. Unless some surprise team comes in and offers a big package for Dame (unlikely), it sure looks like it's a PDX/Miami/BKN deal in one form or the other. It's kind of crazy that a Dame trade package will probably come down to the value some 3rd team assigns Tyler Herro
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Well I don’t think he could have participated in SL if he wasn’t signed.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Charlotte went after him despite his medical history. Anyone with even a little NBA knowledge knew this was a bad deal at the time, but Charlotte went for it because they're Charlotte and they can't get a big name in a different way.

I do agree that getting rid of contracts like these is not always a slam dunk, but there are opportunities with desperate teams at times.
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But he had barely been hurt before they acquired him from Boston... he has one year where he only played 1 game, and then he missed 30 games in his final year in Boston.

Compare that to my hypothetical where Zion would have played 58 games in four seasons, which is only six more than the final year Hayward was in Boston (he played in 136 in three years for the Celtics overall), and Gordon has played in 143 in his three years for the Hornets.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but Zion (in that situation) would be historically injury prone and on an entirely different level at that then Hayward was/is (and, again, Charlotte hasn't been able to move his contract).
 
PCmor7 said:
I think that's all fair and quite likely. The one area I deviate from your thinking is Jaquez. He's a 22-year-old, 5-year college guy (because of the COVID exemption) who does so many little things well and has such an advanced understanding of the game. The only hole in his game is a little bit of lateral quickness, but his savvy covers for that a lot of the time. I think Riley signed him because he knows that, knows that he'll be able to contribute sooner than other rookies and figured the Blazers would want him but if he could push for a quick trade, signing him would remove him from the picture.

He's a low-visibility asset, but I think he's a lot better asset than people realize, and I think personnel people know it.
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We should be getting Jaques and Jovic along with Caleb Martin and Clowney. We're talking about guys who mostly project to be role players. It shouldn't even be a conversation.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't disagree with that the pool of assets the Heat have is limited. I think Riley was a snake for signing Jaquez when he did, but the Blazers could wait that out, and Jaquez is not that good of an asset.
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Maybe not that great of an asset but I bet he will turn out better than most draft picks we end up with. He was picked 21st in a deep draft. So yeah he is worth the wait. I am also glad Riley did sign him when he did so he gets some run in the summer league. He won't be a star but he will be a solid player. He does a little of everything. Pac-12 player of the year for a reason.
 
RonBrewer said:
How in the fuck do these folks get a following?
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By doing what supports their platform....they write anything that causes extreme emotion in fans.....and it entices drama based fans into retweeting what they have wrote. There is their sole objective....to get folks to retweet the air that blows out their ass.
 
BassPlaya said:
By doing what supports their platform....they write anything that causes extreme emotion in fans.....and it entices drama based fans into retweeting what they have wrote. There is their sole objective....to get folks to retweet the air that blows out their ass.
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Yeah, I don't follow him on Twitter.
 
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