Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

[inconceivable]

If Joe was working other trade possibilities for Dame why even have the press conference?
Sounded like Miami’s the only offer and Joe was asking them to improve it or he’ll wait?

To call out other contenders to join the contest is the purpose of the press conference yesterday. He did insinuate the possibility of trading Dame to teams other than Miami

 

[blazerkor]

The Good is the enemy of The Best.

Waiting for “The Best” is often times the enemy of getting better.

 

[PCmor7]

Something "kind of similar" to a no-trade clause? What the fuck is this? Either he has one or he doesn't. Plain and simple.

Shams the Sham at it again. Must have had too much Toradol before this interview.

Some of these guys are trying too hard to be advocates instead of reporters.

 

[maxiep]

I blame the lack of Cameroonian culture in Portland

 

[maxiep]

Waiting for “The Best” is often times the enemy of getting better.

That's a loser philosophy. Good luck with that.

 

[PCmor7]

What Dame has left is his reputation, and it is slowly going down the toilet.

Not that slowly.

 

[blazerfan11]

If Joe was working other trade possibilities for Dame why even have the press conference?
Sounded like Miami’s the only offer and Joe was asking them to improve it or he’ll wait?

Yup. And to get that out publicly.

 

[PCmor7]

Why is it hard to believe he just wanted to stay in Toronto?

I always see fans say "Can't believe X doesn't want to do Y" as if all NBA players are motivated by the same thing. End of the day they are just humans and humans can have different priorities in life.

I made that same argument for years about this player named Damian Lillard ....

 

[blazerfan11]

Not that slowly.

Dame's legacy.

 

[PCmor7]

As long as Cronin is comfortable taking Dame into next season ALA Harden in Houston, Harden in Brooklyn, Simmons in Philly etc. the Heat have no real leverage. Blazers don't have anything to lose by waiting.

What's funny is some of the pundits like Shams act like there isn't any precedent for the Blazers holding onto Dame if they can't get decent compensation, but there are several examples that show the teams have the upper hand if they really want to exert it. The fact that the Blazers aren't counting on being a playoff team in the upcoming year actually makes their hand even stronger.

 

[blazerfan11]

That's a loser philosophy. Good luck with that.

It's like when in the "Band of Brothers" Major (I think that was his his rank at the time) Winters chastised his charges for giving up a perfect defensive position and exposing themselves.

 

[Tince]

If Joe was working other trade possibilities for Dame why even have the press conference?
Sounded like Miami’s the only offer and Joe was asking them to improve it or he’ll wait?

It's common place for a GM to have a press conference after the summer moratorium is lifted. He (or someone in the organization) likely wisely decided to attempt and address all the Dame stuff before Grant/Thybulle so they could get some attention.

I don't think there is any indication from the press conference that Miami is the only offer.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's like when in the "Band of Brothers" Major (I think that was his his rank at the time) Winters chastised his charges for giving up a perfect defensive position and exposing themselves.

I don’t remember that episode. Which battle?

 

[blazerfan11]

It's like when in the "Band of Brothers" Major (I think that was his his rank at the time) Winters chastised his charges for giving up a perfect defensive position and exposing themselves.

 

[blazerfan11]

I don’t remember that episode. Which battle?

Basic training exercise.

 

[PCmor7]

It's like when in the "Band of Brothers" Major (I think that was his his rank at the time) Winters chastised his charges for giving up a perfect defensive position and exposing themselves.

Yeah. Kind of the ultimate loser philosophy. The get-yourself-dead philosophy.

I've kind of compared Dame's position in this whole process something along the lines of "Look, I won't kneecap you as long as you kill yourself in my name and disinherit all your friends, even if they're my friends, too."

Dame's way of handling this basically has been to put the Blazers in self-preservation mode. That's not a smart thing to do when the entity you're trying to deliver the ultimatum to literally has billions of dollars backing it and nothing to do with it immediately.

 

[blazerfan11]

I don’t remember that episode. Which battle?

"Textbook position."
Dipshit got ants in his pants.

Winters: "We are in textbook position for an ambush, sir."

Outcome: "Captain (ants-in-pants), you've just been killed along with 95% of your company."

 

[PCmor7]

Seriously if you listen to some of these Heat fans, it's like we've been in the lottery for the past 10 years. Yes, this team has been mostly mediocre, but they're acting like we've been one of the worst teams in the league this entire time. I would trade Dame to literally any other team at this point. Even the Lakers.

It's actually comical.

"When we get Dame, we'll be unstoppable."

"OK. We'll deal with you. Just give up fair compensation in trade."

"What? We're giving up more than enough for a 33-year-old guard. No one's going to trade much for a guy that age."

Through counter-logic, they effectively tell you that they DON'T need Dame and can run it back because they made the finals this year. I've actually tweeted a couple of them back that I guess that meant they didn't need Dame then, so they should just tell Dame's management so he can find a contender that really wants him.

 

[blazerkor]

That's a loser philosophy. Good luck with that.

What is the best though? Could waiting for the so called best deal be what caused the inaction of Cronin? Do you see how it’s a slippery slope?

Best is an absolute and absolutes are rarely if ever achieved. Settling isn’t a loser philosophy it’s pragmatic and only fools convince themselves that they’ve achieved the absolute best when actually settling and other fools waste in waiting their entire lives for The Best.

 

[Natebishop3]

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Oh yeah he was still a lieutenant at that point.

 

[blazerfan11]

What is the best though? Could waiting for the so called best deal be what caused the inaction of Cronin? Do you see how it’s a slippery slope?

Best is an absolute and absolutes are rarely if ever achieved. Settling isn’t a loser philosophy it’s pragmatic and only fools convince themselves that they’ve achieved the absolute best when actually settling and other fools waste in waiting their entire lives for The Best.

The losers in this slippery slope have been Masai Ujiri, and perhaps others, not Joe Cronin.

 

[blazerkor]

The losers in this slippery slope have been Masai Ujiri, and perhaps others, not Joe Cronin.

Masai won a fucking ring 5 years ago and he’s a loser? Cronin has managed two tank seasons and somehow he’s better?

 

[blazerfan11]

Masai won a fucking ring 5 years ago and he’s a loser? Cronin has managed two tank seasons and somehow he’s better?

Let's watch next season and find out.

 

[wizenheimer]

I have to think that Siakam was under the impression that he could get a super-max contract out of Toronto. If he's traded, he's only eligible for the regular max. I'm guessing that Toronto has informed him that the super-max is not going to happen for him.

he isn't qualified for a super-max as far as I can tell

 

[inconceivable]

That's a loser philosophy. Good luck with that.

I think this is derived from

"Don't let perfect be the enemy or good"

It's attributed to analysis paralysis.

A person is hesitant to start investing because they want to learn every single thing first when it is to their benefit to just start and learn as you go and develop the habit.

But in the case of the Blazers, we are not trying to start investing, we have 250 million dollars and we don't wanna learn as we go, be damned analysis paralysis, we wanna get this decision right.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

he isn't qualified for a super-max as far as I can tell

Siakam currently has 7 years of experience and under contract for 1 more. His standard max is 30% of the cap with 8 years experience.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23


To get the 'Super Max' designated veteran contract, one of the following criteria needs to be met:
* The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
* The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
* The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

Siakam fell JUST short of getting onto the All-NBA team (by ~15 votes). If he makes it on there during the '23-'24 season, he can get 35% of the cap instead of 30%.... unless he's traded - then his max would be 30% until he completes 3 more seasons. Even though he's not currently eligible, he does have a decent chance of meeting the criteria this season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

 

[Natebishop3]

Siakam currently has 7 years of experience and under contract for 1 more. His standard max is 30% of the cap with 8 years experience.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23


To get the 'Super Max' designated veteran contract, one of the following criteria needs to be met:
* The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
* The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
* The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

Siakam fell JUST short of getting onto the All-NBA team (by ~15 votes). If he makes it on there during the '23-'24 season, he can get 35% of the cap instead of 30%.... unless he's traded - then his max would be 30% until he completes 3 more seasons. Even though he's not currently eligible, he does have a decent chance of meeting the criteria this season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Which makes sense why he wouldn’t want to be traded until he signs that deal. Which consequently is the reason why I don’t think Dame wanted to push for a trade until this summer.

 

[Freshtown]

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm really not seeing how Detroit would fit in. They have their picks but they have been so bad... why would they want to give up a pick?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I'm really not seeing how Detroit would fit in. They have their picks but they have been so bad... why would they want to give up a pick?

I don't think its that. It would be us getting Bagley or Wiseman back. They have too many bigs and seem to like Duren and Stewart.

Perhaps they get some 2nds and caleb martin or something.