Dame & Curry

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

FAMS (Dame) is better.

 

[tykendo]

Nice.

 

[handiman]

I'd be interested to see the average minutes played for each player at those 30-40-50-60+ pt thresholds. My gut feeling is, Curry sits the 4th quarter in a lot of games where he explodes early, whereas Dame's big games he has to keep gunning til the final buzzer to eke out a win.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I'd be interested to see the average minutes played for each player at those 30-40-50-60+ pt thresholds. My gut feeling is, Curry sits the 4th quarter in a lot of games where he explodes early, whereas Dame's big games he has to keep gunning til the final buzzer to eke out a win.

Yep. One of Dame’s 60+ was in a game that shouldn’t have been close against the worst team in the league (GS).

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Dame is better. But Dame doesn’t have the rings. Until Dame gets a ring Bill Walton is my Blazer G.O.A.T.

The Blazers can win another under Dame’s leadership and play provided two things happen AND fast:

1. A Dame / CJ will never win a ring; trade CJ now
2. OLSHEY has to go [see #1 above]

 

[Orion Bailey]

Nothing mentioned about percentages. How many shots did it take on average, to hit these numbers?

id be surprised if they were close. Pretty sure Curry gets his with a few less shots a game.
Also would like to know the team win percentage when each scores these numbers.

this seems like a pretty skewed comparison

 

[THE HCP]

Dame is better. But Dame doesn’t have the rings. Until Dame gets a ring Bill Walton is my Blazer G.O.A.T.

The Blazers can win another under Dame’s leadership and play provided two things happen AND fast:

1. A Dame / CJ will never win a ring; trade CJ now
2. OLSHEY has to go [see #1 above]

Adam Morrison has more rings than Barkely, John Stockton, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing combined.
Be very careful using rings as a way to judge a players greatness son.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Adam Morrison has more rings than Barkely, John Stockton, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing combined.
Be very careful using rings as a way to judge a players greatness son.

I’m older than you mi amigo LOL

Nobody is speaking about bench players [Wally Who? won three rings his first three years! Blazers/Seattle/Houston I believe] The conversation is about Dame v. Curry, no? Stats virtually tied, but Curry has earned rings. He has climbed, scaled and reached the summit. Dame’s just gotta keep climbing.

My opinion is founded upon the fact that Basketball is indeed a team sport and that only one team each year earns the Title. The best players - the Finals MVP’s - those All Stars that sport a ring, have my “edge” when it comes to putting my own GOAT list together. I admit, it’s one way of looking at it.

David Thompson / John Stockton / Carmelo Anthony / Artis Gilmore / Reggie Miller…..

and the list of players without a ring is LONG,
but GOATS win. Dr. J finally won a ring - oh sure, he was great, but that ring places his greatness at a higher level - just ask him! Stockton versus Isaiah Thomas….who scaled Mt. Everest and wears a ring?

I respect your and other’s opinions - it’s an age-old argument that may have to right or wrong answer. I’m very curious how the players feel about this topic!?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

IMO both Curry & Lillard are first-ballot HOFs.

 

[All Net]

It’s even more lopsided in Lillard’s favor than those stats suggest. Curry was drafted in 2009, while Lillard was drafted in 2012.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

IMO both Curry & Lillard are first-ballot HOFs.

Agreed 1000%

 

[handiman]

It’s even more lopsided in Lillard’s favor than those stats suggest. Curry was drafted in 2009, while Lillard was drafted in 2012.

Except that Curry has only played 80 more regular season games than Dame. (And surprisingly, only 51 more playoff games. I guess that makes sense, with the Warriors being lousy the first half of his career.)

 

[STOMP]

It’s even more lopsided in Lillard’s favor than those stats suggest. Curry was drafted in 2009, while Lillard was drafted in 2012.

Good grief with the offseason homer nonsense. How many times has Dame led the league in scoring? Steph has done it twice, both times without Durant on his team. Career stats have Curry leading Dame in FG% 48% to 44%, 3pt% 43% to 38% & FT% 91% to 89%. He's led the league in True Shooting Percentage twice & finished in the top 20 eight times. Dame cracked the top 20 once in 2019-20 finishing 17th. Take the bias out and recognize that scoring efficiently is a bigger key in winning hoops then just scoring. Dame is awesome and we're lucky to have him. Both guys will be going to the HOF but Steph is on another level.

STOMP

 

[THE HCP]

Good grief with the offseason homer nonsense. How many times has Dame led the league in scoring? Steph has done it twice, both times without Durant on his team. Career stats have Curry leading Dame in FG% 48% to 44%, 3pt% 43% to 38% & FT% 91% to 89%. He's led the league in True Shooting Percentage twice & finished in the top 20 eight times. Dame cracked the top 20 once in 2019-20 finishing 17th. Take the bias out and recognize that scoring efficiently is a bigger key in winning hoops then just scoring. Dame is awesome and we're lucky to have him. Both guys will be going to the HOF but Steph is on another level.

STOMP

Are you implying that people on here let their love for the pinwheel cloud their judgement towards other players/teams?

 

[FlashWad]

The warriors when they hate Ellis and Curry remind me of the Blazers with Lillard and Cj. We all know how that worked out and what they did to move foward

 

[mook]

The warriors when they hate Ellis and Curry remind me of the Blazers with Lillard and Cj. We all know how that worked out and what they did to move foward

Great comparison.

Anyway, Curry is clearly the better shooter. Even Dame admits it--calling him the greatest shooter of all time.

It would be nice to see how Dame would produce, though, if he weren't always having to log massive minutes and produce so many "Dame time" moments because his teammates sucked. Dame has never played with a passer like Draymond nor a shooter anywhere close to Klay.

If you just swapped Curry and Dame's teams over their careers, would either guy have more or less team success? I'm kind of doubtful. In fact, given his fragility, I think the extra load Curry would've had to carry would have led to more injuries, more than offsetting the better offense when he is on the court.

As it is, though, I think the narrative will be kind of similar to Jordan and Drexler. Jordan had better coaching and a better star teammate, and all those rings. Drexler is a guy who had a lot of success and a lot of similar skill sets and clearly belongs in the HOF first ballot, but will never be viewed on the same level. And that's probably fair.

(To be clear though--Jordan was clearly better than everyone else I mentioned, and I think the actual gap between Dame/Curry isn't as extreme as Jordan/Drexler, although the perceived gap might be.)

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Great comparison.

Anyway, Curry is clearly the better shooter. Even Dame admits it--calling him the greatest shooter of all time.

It would be nice to see how Dame would produce, though, if he weren't always having to log massive minutes and produce so many "Dame time" moments because his teammates sucked. Dame has never played with a passer like Draymond nor a shooter anywhere close to Klay.

If you just swapped Curry and Dame's teams over their careers, would either guy have more or less team success? I'm kind of doubtful. In fact, given his fragility, I think the extra load Curry would've had to carry would have led to more injuries, more than offsetting the better offense when he is on the court.

As it is, though, I think the narrative will be kind of similar to Jordan and Drexler. Jordan had better coaching and a better star teammate, and all those rings. Drexler is a guy who had a lot of success and a lot of similar skill sets and clearly belongs in the HOF first ballot, but will never be viewed on the same level. And that's probably fair.

(To be clear though--Jordan was clearly better than everyone else I mentioned, and I think the actual gap between Dame/Curry isn't as extreme as Jordan/Drexler, although the perceived gap might be.)

That’s an interesting thought. Lillard didn’t seem great at the Olympics so that might help answer the what if. However, he was hurt, so that throws a wrench into that idea.

 

[Minstrel]

If you just swapped Curry and Dame's teams over their careers, would either guy have more or less team success? I'm kind of doubtful. In fact, given his fragility, I think the extra load Curry would've had to carry would have led to more injuries, more than offsetting the better offense when he is on the court.

I think it's fair to note that Curry might not have been able to carry a heavy enough load to push the Blazers further than Lillard has. I'd also say that I don't think the Warriors would have been as good with Lillard--Lillard is a very heavy on-ball player, he's shown no willingness or aptitude to being a roving off-ball threat. Golden State has leveraged both Curry's on-ball and off-ball expertise heavily. Maybe Lillard could have learned to assume the Curry role, and bought in, under a coach like Steve Kerr, but that's speculation. In the current reality of the player Lillard is, I don't think Golden State could have built as powerful an offense around him.

People love to compare Lillard to Curry due to the deep threes and vaguely similar sizes, but I think Lillard and Harden are a closer player comp ("closer" does not mean "perfect," to be clear).

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Great comparison.

Anyway, Curry is clearly the better shooter. Even Dame admits it--calling him the greatest shooter of all time.

It would be nice to see how Dame would produce, though, if he weren't always having to log massive minutes and produce so many "Dame time" moments because his teammates sucked. Dame has never played with a passer like Draymond nor a shooter anywhere close to Klay.

If you just swapped Curry and Dame's teams over their careers, would either guy have more or less team success? I'm kind of doubtful. In fact, given his fragility, I think the extra load Curry would've had to carry would have led to more injuries, more than offsetting the better offense when he is on the court.

As it is, though, I think the narrative will be kind of similar to Jordan and Drexler. Jordan had better coaching and a better star teammate, and all those rings. Drexler is a guy who had a lot of success and a lot of similar skill sets and clearly belongs in the HOF first ballot, but will never be viewed on the same level. And that's probably fair.

(To be clear though--Jordan was clearly better than everyone else I mentioned, and I think the actual gap between Dame/Curry isn't as extreme as Jordan/Drexler, although the perceived gap might be.)

had Clyde won a ring in his two finals appearances as a Blazer, the gap discussion (Jordan) would be less of a gap, no?

 

[Natebishop3]

I think it's fair to note that Curry might not have been able to carry a heavy enough load to push the Blazers further than Lillard has. I'd also say that I don't think the Warriors would have been as good with Lillard--Lillard is a very heavy on-ball player, he's shown no willingness or aptitude to being a roving off-ball threat. Golden State has leveraged both Curry's on-ball and off-ball expertise heavily. Maybe Lillard could have learned to assume the Curry role, and bought in, under a coach like Steve Kerr, but that's speculation. In the current reality of the player Lillard is, I don't think Golden State could have built as powerful an offense around him.

People love to compare Lillard to Curry due to the deep threes and vaguely similar sizes, but I think Lillard and Harden are a closer player comp ("closer" does not mean "perfect," to be clear).

They're just very different players who are only compared because of their position and because of their ability to shoot the deep deep deep ball. But you're right, Curry has a different style that worked perfectly in that system. I think he would have struggled mightily if he had been in Dame's position. Dame can generate his own offense, while I'm not sure Curry can do that quite as well.

 

[Minstrel]

I think he would have struggled mightily if he had been in Dame's position. Dame can generate his own offense, while I'm not sure Curry can do that quite as well.

Maybe. Curry looked pretty good doing that at the tail end of the Mark Jackson administration, before Kerr came in and revamped everything. And last year, there was really no one opening anything up for him--no Durant, no Thompson. Wiggins was his most talented scoring teammate (Green is more talented overall, but not as a scorer). I think Curry leading the league in scoring despite basically being the alpha and omega for that offense makes the idea that he can't create for himself as well as Lillard at least suspect.

 

[STOMP]

They're just very different players who are only compared because of their position and because of their ability to shoot the deep deep deep ball. But you're right, Curry has a different style that worked perfectly in that system. I think he would have struggled mightily if he had been in Dame's position. Dame can generate his own offense, while I'm not sure Curry can do that quite as well.

Great point. Curry sure struggled mightily last season without Durant and Klay to lean on... couldn't generate any offense on his own. [/snark]

Back in reality land, he led the league in scoring again despite facing constant double teams as the W's 2nd best offensive threat was Wiggins. While doing so he bested Dame in TS% 66% to 62%

STOMP

 

[All Net]

Good grief with the offseason homer nonsense. How many times has Dame led the league in scoring? Steph has done it twice, both times without Durant on his team. Career stats have Curry leading Dame in FG% 48% to 44%, 3pt% 43% to 38% & FT% 91% to 89%. He's led the league in True Shooting Percentage twice & finished in the top 20 eight times. Dame cracked the top 20 once in 2019-20 finishing 17th. Take the bias out and recognize that scoring efficiently is a bigger key in winning hoops then just scoring. Dame is awesome and we're lucky to have him. Both guys will be going to the HOF but Steph is on another level.

STOMP

You missed my point. I wasn’t arguing that Lillard is better than Curry. I was pointing out that the edge in high scoring games that he holds over Curry is even more impressive when you realize he did it while playing far fewer games than Curry.

 

[handiman]

You missed my point. I wasn’t arguing that Lillard is better than Curry. I was pointing out that the edge in high scoring games that he holds over Curry is even more impressive when you realize he did it while playing far fewer games than Curry.

Except that it wasn't far fewer. It is basically one less season, once Curry's injuries are accounted for.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Dame needs to bring home a ring. Period.

 

[mook]

I think it's fair to note that Curry might not have been able to carry a heavy enough load to push the Blazers further than Lillard has. I'd also say that I don't think the Warriors would have been as good with Lillard--Lillard is a very heavy on-ball player, he's shown no willingness or aptitude to being a roving off-ball threat. Golden State has leveraged both Curry's on-ball and off-ball expertise heavily. Maybe Lillard could have learned to assume the Curry role, and bought in, under a coach like Steve Kerr, but that's speculation. In the current reality of the player Lillard is, I don't think Golden State could have built as powerful an offense around him.

People love to compare Lillard to Curry due to the deep threes and vaguely similar sizes, but I think Lillard and Harden are a closer player comp ("closer" does not mean "perfect," to be clear).

Yeah, that's pretty fair. Dame entered the league as a ball-dominant pick and roll guard, and never really changed. The downside of having a star who has always played on backwater teams like Weber St and Portland and even down to AAU is he never had to learn to play off ball, because no coach in his right mind would take the ball out of his hands to give it up to guys like Aminu or Plumlee.

If Harden were shorter, didn't hunt for fouls as much, and had deeper range he'd basically be Lillard.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year to both guys if the league follows through on the talk about punishing offensive players for hunting for fouls. Harden is in his own category in this respect, but Dame is probably the best of the rest at it. In much the way Curry is the most elite shooter, with Dame again being best of the rest.

 

[mook]

had Clyde won a ring in his two finals appearances as a Blazer, the gap discussion (Jordan) would be less of a gap, no?

Well, yeah. Jordan would've won 5 instead, and talk of him being GOAT would probably be a little less predominant. So much of his legend is tied to him going 6-0 in the finals.

Clyde would be the unanimous greatest Blazer of all time with that ring. Probably still beating out Dame no matter what Dame does, short of winning his own ring.

 

[All Net]

Except that it wasn't far fewer. It is basically one less season, once Curry's injuries are accounted for.

82 games is far fewer.

 

[handiman]

82 games is far fewer.

It's one season's worth, not the three that you framed it as. Given the magnitude of scoring stats being discussed, one season is not much of a difference.