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Just ordered some pizza to be delivered and got a little inside info….….wait for it…….Dame to Lakers
 
Eastoff said:
What if they rebuild before we get draft picks?!
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How do you rebuild without your own picks?

If they ever do want to look at trading Giannis think we'd have to be part of the deal.

Right now obviously we're many years away from trying to acquire a Giannis player directly.

But we could be the 3rd team. Something like we give the Bucks their picks and OKC sends us Jalen Williams plus multiple Clippers picks.
 
I actually wouldn't mind having Dame back, because we have plenty of salary on this roster that is easily expendable for him, for the next 2 years.

The kick in the pants is 26-27 when he's what...37, making almost 60 mil. I'd package, Simons/Thybulle/RW3 for him without blinking if it weren't for that 3rd year.
 
beast blazer said:
I actually wouldn't mind having Dame back, because we have plenty of salary on this roster that is easily expendable for him, for the next 2 years.

The kick in the pants is 26-27 when he's what...37, making almost 60 mil. I'd package, Simons/Thybulle/RW3 for him without blinking if it weren't for that 3rd year.
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Let some other team give him that 60 million. The Blazers off-loaded it, it seems insane to take it back.

I'd much rather get picks for Simons/ Thybulle / RW3 no matter what picks they are.

Is Lillard going to play for the vet minimum the following season? Or be gone again?
 
blazerfan11 said:
Let some other team give him that 60 million. The Blazers off-loaded it, it seems insane to take it back.

I'd much rather get picks for Simons/ Thybulle / RW3 no matter what picks they are.

Is Lillard going to play for the vet minimum the following season? Or be gone again?
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On the other hand: the Blazers won't have much on the books in 26-27. We'd be paying Sharpe whatever,but everyone else would still be on their rookie scale salaries aside from Avdija.
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beast blazer said:
On the other hand: the Blazers won't have much on the books in 26-27. We'd be paying Sharpe whatever,but everyone else would still be on their rookie scale salaries aside from Avdija.
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The Blazers should use the salary in 26-27 to make the team better in that season and to build for future seasons. Not pay the supermax salary of a 37 year old has been.
 
beast blazer said:
On the other hand: the Blazers won't have much on the books in 26-27. We'd be paying Sharpe whatever,but everyone else would still be on their rookie scale salaries aside from Avdija.
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A better way to look at it would be that ‘26-‘28 seasons will be our prime years for competing with a cheap young core. Having cap space shouldn’t give us an excuse to make a bad cap move.

And aside from salary cap, I’m not interested in bringing Dame back until Scoot has shown he is a star quality player, and Dame’s addition will take him up a notch from being a good-stats-on-a-non-contending-team kind of player to a perennial AS. I want Dame back as much as anyone, but there has to be a clear message of “we appreciate what you’ve done for us, we have what we think is a contender and we want you to come back and finish this story”, not “please come back and save us”.

I’d be very interested in bringing him back for 2 yrs/$50m or something like that in ‘27-‘28 though.

- PG: Scoot will just have started his extension
- SG: Shae would be in year 2 of his extension and I think around DBook’s age when CP3 got traded there
- Our ‘25 draft pick would be in year 3
- Forward: Avdija will be in the last year of his deal. But honestly, I’m hoping he would’ve been traded in a package for an “all in” kind of move”
- C: Clingan will be in year 4
- Forward: Camara will be extended

That’s six guys I can project to be here by the time Dame would be affordable to me. I’m not putting Rupert or Murray in the list, while either could still be here, they also could be dealt in an upgrade. I’m sure there will also be a draft pick between now and then that we can also add to this core. This is the time bringing Dame back would make sense in my mind. Anytime before then wouldn’t make sense.
 
Wild Idea:

Dame and Giannis don’t get it done in Milwaukie while we build around a core of Scoot, Shae, our draft this year, and Clingan. Dame and Giannis decide to run it back on their goal in Portland and we won’t have to give up any of those guys.

I get Giannis will be 34 by then, but it doesn’t really matter, he is another big ball handler that would guarantee at least 4 ball handlers on the court playing at the PF position next to DoBro. Whether it’s Camara and a couple depth pieces + their ‘30 pick back or a sign-and-trade for Avdija + their ‘30 pick back and 2nds, I think we will have the assets to trade for a 34yo Giannis.
 
BankTeller said:
Wild Idea:

Dame and Giannis don’t get it done in Milwaukie while we build around a core of Scoot, Shae, our draft this year, and Clingan. Dame and Giannis decide to run it back on their goal in Portland and we won’t have to give up any of those guys.

I get Giannis will be 34 by then, but it doesn’t really matter, he is another big ball handler that would guarantee at least 4 ball handlers on the court playing at the PF position next to DoBro. Whether it’s Camara and a couple depth pieces + their ‘30 pick back or a sign-and-trade for Avdija + their ‘30 pick back and 2nds, I think we will have the assets to trade for a 34yo Giannis.
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That being said, Giannis might be outta there by then.
 
julius said:
It's ironic that Damian on the Blazers current roster would be a really good roster for him.

Well, ironic isn't the right word. Frustrating.

(yes I know trades involving him included some of these players, shut up...)

Imagine him with Tou, DeAndre, DC, Rupert, Deni, Sharpe, Scoot and Simons....
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I think all of the guys you mentioned besides Deandre are all still too green and/or redundant (Ant) to help Dame win games in the regular season let alone the playoffs.

The Bucks will have a much better record than us. They will make the playoffs and we won't. I don't know if they have a good enough supporting cast, even if healthy, to get Dame a ring but they're a lot closer than our roster would be.
 
riverman said:
The Bucks should just fire Doc and hire Stotts to straighten out their offense
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Stotts is best as an assistant, balanced with a disciplinarian defensive coach like the one he has now, Jerry Stackhouse.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Transition defense is a part of defense.

Before tonight Bucks were 24th in the NBA in defensive efficiency. But it was also a problem last year - they were only 19th in the NBA last year.

Season before Dame was there the Bucks were 4th in the NBA in defensive efficiency.

I don't think it was a coincidence the Bucks won a title with Jrue playing defense and the Celtics won the title with Jrue playing defense last season.

Dame is great in many ways. But it's very hard to build a title winning roster with such a limited short poor defender on a supermax contract. We're seeing that's the case even when he is paired with arguably the best player in the league.
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No question Jrue 2-3 years ago was a huge part of that defense. He's still very effective.
 
My bet is Doc takes a fall if this doesn't turn around quickly.
 
kjironman1 said:
My bet is Doc takes a fall if this doesn't turn around quickly.
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The bucks were like 30-13, then fired their coach and I think are 4 games under .500 since
 
julius said:
The bucks were like 30-13, then fired their coach and I think are 4 games under .500 since
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It's the quickest move. They won't be trading Dame or Giannis to fix this.
Players only meeting might get some of it and Kris Middleton returning might help but honestly the offense is pretty bad without a bunch of dudes doing lobs. Remember Lob City?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
How do you rebuild without your own picks?

If they ever do want to look at trading Giannis think we'd have to be part of the deal.

Right now obviously we're many years away from trying to acquire a Giannis player directly.

But we could be the 3rd team. Something like we give the Bucks their picks and OKC sends us Jalen Williams plus multiple Clippers picks.
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I thought they couldn't do this. https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Bucks/17/draft-picks?origin=serp_auto
 
wizenheimer said:
...or, pay 80M/year for Simons and Ayton
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Yeah, I hope Cronin does not do that. I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting Dame back, but what if it's essentially having Dame replace Simons?

The Blazers aren't going to sign any big free agents. There's a possibility they could do a lop sided trade, with their cap space.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah that was the big part of the Deni trade I didn't like, that we sold the 2029 pick which could be as high as #2 overall.
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Deni is looking like he'll be at least a long term rotation player and likely more then that. 23 years old and under a friendly contract for the next 4 years is a solid return which I backed then and now.

Of course they still have the pick swap options with the Bucks in 2028 & 30. In 2028 Dame will be 38, Giannis 34, Middleton 37, Portis 34 & Brooke Lopez 40. They have no young players of note that I can see them building with or around and too good of a current roster for their upcoming picks to be top half of the 1st anytime soon. My guess is that as his teammates age and their window closes, Giannis will be dealt in a couple years for a haul at which point they'll probably be worse off then the current Blazers.

STOMP
 
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beast blazer said:
Yeah, I hope Cronin does not do that. I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting Dame back, but what if it's essentially having Dame replace Simons?

The Blazers aren't going to sign any big free agents. There's a possibility they could do a lop sided trade, with their cap space.
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Yeah I think the best use of cap space soon would be to take on an overpaid contract to acquire a first round pick as the Spurs did and OKC did many times prior to that.

As we become more competitive that could shift to where we trade away picks for a starter and that starter will need to use some of that cap space.

If we don't get a starter via trade the last option probably is keeping the cap space for free agency. It doesn't have to be a big time star free agent though, but maybe it could be a 5th starter or 6th man like the Magic getting KCP or OKC getting Hartenstein. Those places were never free agent destinations. We signed Wes Matthews for the MLE, Aminu and Ed Davis with cap space.

All of the above options are much better uses than giving Simons $80 million or paying a 37 year old Dame a supermax. I would avoid these options. I also doubt Dame would be happy to accept whatever bench role is best for a Blazer playoff team in his late 30s. Star players don't view themselves as aging or declining, the are always delusional. He'd expect a similar role and treatment as when he was the star here.
 
Sadly, if we're nominating a "most dumpster fire NBA team" - it's not the Lakers, it's the Bucks. Dame and CJ both suffering right now.
 
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