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STOMP said:
Deni is looking like he'll be at least a long term rotation player and likely more then that. 23 years old and under a friendly contract for the next 4 years is a solid return which I backed then and now.

Of course they still have the pick swap options with the Bucks in 2028 & 30. In 2028 Dame will be 38, Giannis 34, Middleton 37, Portis 34 & Brooke Lopez 40. They have no young players of note that I can see them building with or around and too good of a current roster for their upcoming picks to be top half of the 1st anytime soon. My guess is that as his teammates age and their window closes, Giannis will be dealt in a couple years for a haul at which point they'll probably be worse off then the current Blazers.

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For Deni it all comes down to his 3pt%. He is currently shooting 11%. That makes Aminu look like a premier sharpshooter. Deni defense is good but Aminu was clearly superior, and he was a bad option as a starting forward for a playoff team. Yes Deni shot well last season, but in his other 3 years he shot 31% 31% 29%. If he can't hit a shot he isnt worth even his cheap contract and that trade will be a disaster if that 2029 pick is in the lottery. We'll just have to see what happens.

Now I agree that the Milwaukee pick in 2029 looks like the best of the the three. But the Celtics will have major cap issues with the 2nd apron by then and very likely need to break up their current team so they could certainly end up in the lottery. I would hope some of the young Blazer talent has them winning by then but thats certainly not a guarantee either.

We also just never know what injuries could unexpectedly sink a legit playoff team like the Grizzlies last season. If 2 of these teams end up at the top of the lottery in 2029 which is very possible that Deni trade could go down as the worst since we lost Jermaine Oneal.
 
STOMP said:
Of course they still have the pick swap options with the Bucks in 2028 & 30. In 2028 Dame will be 38, Giannis 34, Middleton 37, Portis 34 & Brooke Lopez 40. They have no young players of note that I can see them building with or around and too good of a current roster for their upcoming picks to be top half of the 1st anytime soon. My guess is that as his teammates age and their window closes, Giannis will be dealt in a couple years for a haul at which point they'll probably be worse off then the current Blazers.
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I think eventually its kind of inevitable that Giannis will be traded. I don't think it will happen this season no matter what, probably will not happen next season either. I'd bet Giannis wants to give some valiant efforts to win just as Dame did for his last 3 years here. But in 2-4 years there is just no way to improve that Bucks squad as you mention. I'd expect it will be like the Nets trading Bridges where it will extremely likely that we are approached to be a part of the trade to return the Bucks control of their 2028-2030 picks.
 
If we can get enough assets on very cheap contracts to have a playoff team in 2 years I do think its very possible we could make a run at acquiring BOTH Dame and Giannis. But we must build a team aggressively to win at that time 3 years from now. Not try to win with this stupid Ayton/Grant/Simons trio today.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
For Deni it all comes down to his 3pt%. He is currently shooting 11%. That makes Aminu look like a premier sharpshooter. Deni defense is good but Aminu was clearly superior, and he was a bad option as a starting forward for a playoff team.
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The biggest problem I had with Aminu was how scared I was every time he put the ball on the floor. Night and day between him and Deni. Granted Deni is struggling right now with his 3-point shot and he needs to cut down on the turnovers. (he and Ayton are just not on the same page with some of the lobs) But he reminds me of a bigger Josh Hart when Hart was with the Blazers. He pushes the tempo, he rebounds, and he plays with an attitude.
 
My son says Bucks trade proposals are the most common trades in the last 24 hours according on fanspo.
 
kjironman1 said:
I think the coaching issues are the real problem. Their choice of Doc as the replacement was a head scratcher at best.
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Picking Doc was on the organization. Nobody thought it was a good idea. I don't even think Doc thought it was a good idea.

“Personally, I’ll be honest, I told ownership when they called, ‘I don’t understand why you’re doing this,’” Rivers said.

“One of the things they said was, ‘Well, it doesn’t matter, we’ve done it now, and we want you.’ And so that was a tough one, that’s where the hesitation...”

https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/news/d...ks-didnt-understand-why-firing-adrian-griffin
 
Natebishop3 said:
Picking Doc was on the organization. Nobody thought it was a good idea. I don't even think Doc thought it was a good idea.

“Personally, I’ll be honest, I told ownership when they called, ‘I don’t understand why you’re doing this,’” Rivers said.

“One of the things they said was, ‘Well, it doesn’t matter, we’ve done it now, and we want you.’ And so that was a tough one, that’s where the hesitation...”

https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/news/d...ks-didnt-understand-why-firing-adrian-griffin
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And they make it worse by giving him 4 years/40 million. Oof! If they fire him this year(I highly doubt they will) I believe they'll be paying 3 head coaches, 4 when they hire their next.
 
I'll state the obvious.

Joe Cronin screwed over the Bucks big time.

Taking Jrue Holiday from the Bucks (with their help of course) and delivering him to the Boston Celtics.

That's called a double-whammy.

Maybe a triple whammy or 2 1/2 whammy replacing Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen from a 58-win team with Dame.

And who knows what happens with the Draft Picks / Swaps.

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blazerfan11 said:
I'll state the obvious.

Joe Cronin screwed over the Bucks big time.

Taking Jrue Holiday from the Bucks (with their help of course) and delivering him to the Boston Celtics.

That's called a double-whammy.

Maybe a triple whammy or 2 1/2 whammy replacing Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen from a 58-win team with Dame.

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It's funny how Dame talked a while back about the grass not always being greener, and it has been that way for both him AND the Bucks so far.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Picking Doc was on the organization. Nobody thought it was a good idea. I don't even think Doc thought it was a good idea.

“Personally, I’ll be honest, I told ownership when they called, ‘I don’t understand why you’re doing this,’” Rivers said.

“One of the things they said was, ‘Well, it doesn’t matter, we’ve done it now, and we want you.’ And so that was a tough one, that’s where the hesitation...”

https://www.si.com/nba/bucks/news/d...ks-didnt-understand-why-firing-adrian-griffin
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Doc sure thought the money was a good idea though.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My son says Bucks trade proposals are the most common trades in the last 24 hours according on fanspo.
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JG, Simons and Thybulle for Giannis and Brook Lopez works on the trade machine. Give them a couple of 2nds and their pick swaps back and call it a day... ;)

The Blazers can start a lineup of Giannis at point, Camara, Deni, DA and Lopez, backed up by Scoot, Sharpe, Kris, Jabari and Cling Kong.

Also JoeCro gives Dame the chance to play with JG twice, so that's something.
 
I question that Doc is a good coach, but their struggles is #1, #2, #3 a roster issue. They don't have any thing of value to make it better either.

Coaching change might be what happens.

I guess they could try and trade away the 2031 pick for multiple role players. That would be crazy desperate.
 
RR7 said:
And they make it worse by giving him 4 years/40 million. Oof! If they fire him this year(I highly doubt they will) I believe they'll be paying 3 head coaches, 4 when they hire their next.
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He probably wasn't going to waste his time with it unless they did give him 10 million year for a few years...
 
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I feel for Dame. I know he made his choice and needs to make his bed, but damn.
How things have changed from, “Dame will get a ring or two”, to “is Milwaukie even a contender?”, must sting hard and it makes me sad for him.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I feel for Dame. I know he made his choice and needs to make his bed, but damn.
How things have changed from, “Dame will get a ring or two”, to “is Milwaukie even a contender?”, must sting hard and it makes me sad for him.
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Why? He brought it in himself.
 
julius said:
Why? He brought it in himself.
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Yes and no, the Blazers totally failed to give Dame any sort of realistic option to have even a tiny chance of winning in Portland.

Not saying Dame didn't make mistakes too.

But Cronin saying he'd "be aggressive" and "commit to winning with Dame" and "would push all in" never had actions to backup those words.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I feel for Dame. I know he made his choice and needs to make his bed, but damn.
How things have changed from, “Dame will get a ring or two”, to “is Milwaukie even a contender?”, must sting hard and it makes me sad for him.
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I wish he had chosen to stay here. But I don't feel the least bit bad for him.
 
Also its not really Dame fault that the Bucks traded away 4 FRP for Jrue then traded away 3 FRP+Jrue for him. How does a franchise build a contender when they lost 7 FRP at one position?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes and no, the Blazers totally failed to give Dame any sort of realistic option to have even a tiny chance of winning in Portland.
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That happened before Cronin, Dame should have understood that it would be a long road with the condition the roster was post NeO. He chose to extend after a major injury, told everyone he believes in JoeCro and is forever a Blazer and requested a trade soon after.

I wish for him that it would have worked in Milwaukee, but at the end of the day, this is 70% Dame, 30% Blazers in my opinion, and the fact that they fail to win with Giannis as his teammate shows that the Blazers choosing to not blow the 3rd pick on a sub-par veteran (they would not have got anyone as good as Giannis for that pick) is proving to be the right decision.
 
I'd feel worse for Dame if he never went through his constant loyalty above everything, if I never win a title, I'll be happy here stuff, and still asked out.
And I get that Olshey was shit in building around him, and I would have wanted out long before if I were him.
Anyways, don't know any of this really needs to be rehashed, we've all said our pieces.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes and no, the Blazers totally failed to give Dame any sort of realistic option to have even a tiny chance of winning in Portland.

Not saying Dame didn't make mistakes too.

But Cronin saying he'd "be aggressive" and "commit to winning with Dame" and "would push all in" never had actions to backup those words.
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His defense barely improved in 11 years.

He talked shit about other players running from the grind, and forcing their way off a team to join another.

Self.
Inflicted.
 
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