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Rastapopoulos said:
Think this is on Olshey's mind as he considers trading CJ?
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it shouldn't be.

what should be in his mind is that all his bargain shopping and dumpster diving isn't doing a damn thing to alter Portland's trajectory. And all his fucking around with the lower levels of the rotation aren't either. The problem is at the top of the rotation

he needs to either do his job, resign, or start forwarding most of his salary to Dame if he's going to defer tough decisions because Dame might object. Dame doesn't have one year left on his contract and the resulting leverage like PG13 or Kawhi or Butler or Giannis. He has 5 more years. What's Dame going to do....pout for 5 years if CJ is traded? Is that the kind of person he is? I don't think so
 
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AldoTrapani said:
Yea this is where Dame hurts the organization by wanting to keep his friends (cj and stotts) rather than seeing the bigger picture.
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I think Dame has decided that he would rather lose with his friends than win with better players.
 
Dame had more issues in that meeting than the Barton trade. And it wasn't the freaking Barton trade-- it was the Afflalo trade. I hate how people make so much out of that shit. Franchise players meeting with owners is not that big of a deal.
 
Did Dame meet with Paul to express his frustration because it was a terrible trade or because he traded his friend?

probably a mixture of both but hopefully more of the former than the latter
 
Also, with regards to the main point of that article, it irrationally bugs me how much the media is pushing this narrative that Giannis should leave.

Dude is just in his maybe third year as the franchise cornerstone. He got to the conference finals last year and lost to the Champion. His team is still in the middle of a comeback effort in the second round this series. They have the 2nd highest payroll in the league (even if they made a blunder in letting Brogdan go last summer). But he hasn't once said anything to the media about going elsewhere and came out firing on all cylinders with a bum ankle last game to try to will his team back. Yet even in the middle of the game, you have idiots like Reggie Miller and Chris Webber questioning his future with the team.

Just fucking annoying. I would love to have him in Portland, but this has to be infuriating for Bucks fans.
 
illmatic99 said:
Why Dame is close to that hack Chris Haynes I can never figure out. He might be the worst NBA journalist out there. Always making mountains out of molehills while writing like shit. Seriously, his pieces are like that of a 6th grader.
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well, there are "players' coaches"....coaches who get along with players and have good relationships

so, it makes sense there are players' reporters. They don't have to be great journalists or writers if they can develop relationships with players and manage not to piss those players off. Haynes has been able to walk that tightrope

kind of like how Woj has been able to walk the tightrope with GM's and owners
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Dame has decided that he would rather lose with his friends than win with better players.
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Think that's oversimplifying it. It's not binary. Dame has repeatedly stayed out of trade conjecture before moves are done.

Here is him at the deadline this season:https://theathletic.com/1559813/202...ment-to-portland-and-more-in-blazers-mailbag/

Do the Blazers have to make a big move before the deadline to keep his commitment in Portland?

“That don’t have nothing to do with my commitment to the team,” Lillard said. “I mean, it’s not like we are going to do something that is going to take us to the championship at this point. I think it’s more important for us to protect the assets we have, the guys who are going to be here and who are going to help us going forward. I don’t think it makes sense to sacrifice that just to make a desperate play.

“It’s been a tough season, but the season is not over. We can make something of this season as we are, but it’s not worth, you know, saying ‘OK, let’s force something and go do something that at the end of the day doesn’t make sense.’ But that has nothing to do with my commitment. I said it after last game (Golden State): I feel like I can find a way. I can weather the storm. I can go through hard times.”

How would he describe his relationship with Olshey?

“We have a good relationship,” Lillard said. “But I don’t like to be involved with (teammates’) futures and all that. If it’s free agency, and (Olshey) wants to ask me about somebody — if I think they can help the team or what players I like or whatever? I’m more than happy. But you know, I stay out of Neil’s way. I let him do his job and I do mine.

“I will lose every game before I go in there and be like, ‘Trade this guy for that guy’ or anything like that. So, I don’t wish for that and that’s not how I go about it. He’ll tell me, like I said, about free agency, stuff that can happen or whatever, and I will listen, but that’s about it.”
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Key takeaways:
- He would not be opposed to moves to "take us to the championship."
- Trades have nothing to do with his commitment to the team.
- He lets Neil do his job.

Here's another: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/2/20/18233101/damian-lillard-trade-request-title-blazers

It's more empathy than deciding to "lose with friends."
 
illmatic99 said:
Think that's oversimplifying it. It's not binary. Dame has repeatedly stayed out of trade conjecture before moves are done.

Here is him at the deadline this season:https://theathletic.com/1559813/202...ment-to-portland-and-more-in-blazers-mailbag/



Key takeaways:
- He would not be opposed to moves to "take us to the championship."
- Trades have nothing to do with his commitment to the team.
- He lets Neil do his job.

Here's another: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/2/20/18233101/damian-lillard-trade-request-title-blazers

It's more empathy than deciding to "lose with friends."
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I truly believe Dame would say fuck it, I'll see him or them whenever I want on the off season and in retirement if he got a chance to play, here, with a guy like Giannis and an alright supporting cast. I've heard Dame talk about how he wants to stay here as long as the team will have him like Dirk (remember Dirk's team was always changing), I've never heard Dame talk about any other single player he wouldn't be cool with being traded to make the team better and I've also heard him say a ton of times that this is a business and he understands that.
 
illmatic99 said:
Think that's oversimplifying it. It's not binary. Dame has repeatedly stayed out of trade conjecture before moves are done.

Here is him at the deadline this season:https://theathletic.com/1559813/202...ment-to-portland-and-more-in-blazers-mailbag/



Key takeaways:
- He would not be opposed to moves to "take us to the championship."
- Trades have nothing to do with his commitment to the team.
- He lets Neil do his job.

Here's another: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/2/20/18233101/damian-lillard-trade-request-title-blazers

It's more empathy than deciding to "lose with friends."
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good job with that post

my take is that posters that retreat behind the "Dame wouldn't like this or that" narrative are being lazy or trying to squelch discussion, and basically defending inaction by the GM. That includes trades and coaching decisions
 
wizenheimer said:
good job with that post

my take is that posters that retreat behind the "Dame wouldn't like this or that" narrative are being lazy or trying to squelch discussion, and basically defending inaction by the GM. That includes trades and coaching decisions
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I'd say it's equally as lazy to blame inaction on Dame not wanting his friends moved as it is defending the inaction.
 
I think it's lazy of us to talk about trades instead of doing them. Given covid, it should be easy for us to make trades ourselves. Here's how.
We need to kidnap Olshey. I'm sure someone here has the skills to do that. We'll announce that he has covid, but is continuing to work from home. We'll need a forger, and we'll need a voice impersonator. Maybe a lookalike if people insist on using zoom, but I think we can just fuzz the video and get someone who looks vaguely like him.

Send Sly a list of your relevant skills, and he'll put a trade team together.

And then we can really fix the roster. We all agree on how to do that, right?

barfo
 
wizenheimer said:
good job with that post

my take is that posters that retreat behind the "Dame wouldn't like this or that" narrative are being lazy or trying to squelch discussion, and basically defending inaction by the GM. That includes trades and coaching decisions
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As long as we’re laying our pet peeves ou there, I have a problem with the “inaction by the GM” line. Or the “Olshey won’t trade CJ” dogma. I think that there’s a whole lot of supposition around here about him, perhaps based on prior trade discussions that didn’t happen, that if we knew what really happened behind the scenes are simply wrong. Olshey traded Eric Gordon for Chris Paul. I have little doubt he’d trade CJ for Giannis or any other certified star who would make the Blazers better.
 
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illmatic99 said:
Why Dame is close to that hack Chris Haynes I can never figure out. He might be the worst NBA journalist out there. Always making mountains out of molehills while writing like shit. Seriously, his pieces are like that of a 6th grader.
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Damn you sound scorned. What the hell did Chris Haynes do? He was great here as a beat reporter. Never had drama pieces. Kept it real as can be. What’s your beef with Haynes?
 
RR7 said:
No, sorry, not you, but plenty do.
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ok...understood and I agree.

even though I dislike Olshey and his management, and believe his inaction is a problem, or at least the inaction with the top of the rotation, I can't be positive what the reasons are.

what I will say is that if Olshey is not making logical moves because of a fear of how Dame will react, he's not doing his job very well.
 
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e_blazer said:
As long as we’re laying our pet peeves ou there, I have a problem with the “inaction by the GM” line. Or the “Olshey won’t trade CJ” dogma. I think that there’s a whole lot of supposition around here about him, perhaps based on prior trade discussions that didn’t happen, that if we knew what really happened behind the scenes are simply wrong. Olshey traded Eric Gordon for Chris Paul. I have little doubt he’d trade CJ for Giannis or any other certified star who would make the Blazers better.
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well we had reporting that when PG13 was available, Olshey was 'engaged' in the trade discussions but holding CJ untouchable in those trade talks:

“All three of their first-round picks along with Pritchard's choice of any player off the current roster other than their Big-3.”

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/...l-george-trail-blazers-offer-2017-draft-picks

pretty laughable in 2017 to be calling Dame/CJ/Nurkic a "big 3" Lebron, DWade, & Bosh were a big 3. Duncan, Manu, and Parker were a big 3. Magic, Kareem, and Worthy were a big 3. Bird, McHale, and Parish were a big 3. But Dame-CJ-Nurk?....c'mon

so then, if Olshey was truly talking trade, it had to be something like Evan Turner + Meyers + three non-lottery firsts. Or Meyers + Harkless + Vonleh + those three 1sts. So yeah, it wasn't a serious offer. Jason Quick had his head up his ass for saying the Blazer offer was better than OKC's offer
 
wizenheimer said:
well we had reporting that when PG13 was available, Olshey was 'engaged' in the trade discussions but holding CJ untouchable in those trade talks:

“All three of their first-round picks along with Pritchard's choice of any player off the current roster other than their Big-3.”

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/...l-george-trail-blazers-offer-2017-draft-picks

pretty laughable in 2017 to be calling Dame/CJ/Nurkic a "big 3" Lebron, DWade, & Bosh were a big 3. Duncan, Manu, and Parker were a big 3. Magic, Kareem, and Worthy were a big 3. Bird, McHale, and Parish were a big 3. But Dame-CJ-Nurk?....c'mon

so then, if Olshey was truly talking trade, it had to be something like Evan Turner + Meyers + three non-lottery firsts. Or Meyers + Harkless + Vonleh + those three 1sts. So yeah, it wasn't a serious offer. Jason Quick had his head up his ass for saying the Blazer offer was better than OKC's offer
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Yes, I know the reporting, but we don't know what the realities of the behind-the-scenes negotiations were. KP could have simply been unwilling to make a deal with the Blazers. Olshey could have been thinking that putting that much into what almost certainly would have been a one year rental of PG wasn't worth trading CJ. Would that have been a wrong decision? Would PG really have put the Blazers into a position to have won a title that year? Just saying that there's whole lot more involved than would warrant a simple, "Olshey will never trade CJ" conclusion from what happened in that trade discussion.
 
illmatic99 said:
Neil not trading CJ has more to do with Neil loving CJ, not necessarily Dame pulling strings.
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Oh god please tell me how you know he doesn’t try to trade cj? Lol because he says he won’t? GMs ALWAYS say that to their current players.

Did you ever think maybe he does try to trade him but nobody wants him? Lol
 
illmatic99 said:
Also, with regards to the main point of that article, it irrationally bugs me how much the media is pushing this narrative that Giannis should leave.

Dude is just in his maybe third year as the franchise cornerstone. He got to the conference finals last year and lost to the Champion. His team is still in the middle of a comeback effort in the second round this series. They have the 2nd highest payroll in the league (even if they made a blunder in letting Brogdan go last summer). But he hasn't once said anything to the media about going elsewhere and came out firing on all cylinders with a bum ankle last game to try to will his team back. Yet even in the middle of the game, you have idiots like Reggie Miller and Chris Webber questioning his future with the team.

Just fucking annoying. I would love to have him in Portland, but this has to be infuriating for Bucks fans.
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