Dame - the new scapegoat

[BBert]

It's a valid criticism..... but people are harping on it. Some posters more so than others, but good god... just constantly bringing it up. This has been going on for a while.

There are basically two or three posters who are hyper-critical of Dame. The rest I think appreciate what he does for us, and were objectively evaluating what they saw.

I agree with the 'good god...just constantly bringing it up..." It gets old, especially the implied presumption that his shooting is never going to come around so he should just stop shooting the ball, period. That can't happen.

 

[Natebishop3]

There are basically two or three posters who are hyper-critical of Dame. The rest I think appreciate what he does for us, and were objectively evaluating what they saw.

I agree with the 'good god...just constantly bringing it up..." It gets old, especially the implied presumption that his shooting is never going to come around so he should just stop shooting the ball, period. That can't happen.

I didn't see that one poster who likes to harp on Dame's passing make an appearance this morning to discuss Dame's 11 assists.

 

[Blazinaway]

I am very glad to have him, my one criticism is forcing those late game shots, like to see him cut back on that. If he has a good shot then take it as he will get his stroke and confidence back, just don't "force" it

 

[Boise Blazer]

Whenever I think, "That wasnt a great shot selection" I then quickly remember that we had Raymond Felton the year before and and realize that I will take the worst version of Dame over the best version of Felton any day.

And that is also due in large part to the fact that on Dame's worst day I know I can count on him to always try to get better

 

[noknobs]

Yeah I thought he had a good game, hardly something to bash him over. Love the eleven assists. Sure he may have forced a shot here or there but A) he always has a couple times a game and they often go in B) sometimes they almost seem by design just to get the game tempo up. Within reason, I want him forcing shots near the end of the game. He's our best player and that's historically been Lillard time.

 

[Strenuus]

Whenever I think, "That wasnt a great shot selection" I then quickly remember that we had Raymond Felton the year before and and realize that I will take the worst version of Dame over the best version of Felton any day.

And that is also due in large part to the fact that on Dame's worst day I know I can count on him to always try to get better

Quality, Quality, Quality post! SO TRUE.

 

[MarAzul]

He is in a slump. It's been going on for a while.

That hero ball, steph curry style is not working for him period. He needs to quit that crap and just stick to what hes improving on.

The guy is a terrific player, he just makes too many bad choices. Too many three point shots taken. You say "slump" and I say bad choices. He has no need to take those shots.
Last night, I saw a great play from Lillard, a behind the back pass to Leonard, who drained the mid range shot. Assist to Damian, the first I can ever remember seeing with Meyers as the shooter.
Great! let us see more! A few moments later, Leonard blocks a shot, they get the ball to Damian and down the court in a rush, Leonard running like deer to the rim, Damian pulls up and I hold my
breath! A clear pass to Meyers is there, for the jam, but Damian takes the three point shot! Clank! Leonard tips it but not good. Fast break opportunity wasted on an ill advices three point attempt, passing up an possible jam assist.

If I were coach I would have jerk his ass off the court and made him clearly understand, how he just fucked up! Yes the man can play, 11 assists is nice, 3 more would be better, especially with 4 less misses from down town.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Odd, I thought he had a great night - wouldn't have expected any criticism.

 

[Strenuus]

The guy is a terrific player, he just makes too many bad choices. Too many three point shots taken. You say "slump" and I say bad choices. He has no need to take those shots.
Last night, I saw a great play from Lillard, a behind the back pass to Leonard, who drained the mid range shot. Assist to Damian, the first I can ever remember seeing with Meyers as the shooter.
Great! let us see more! A few moments later, Leonard blocks a shot, they get the ball to Damian and down the court in a rush, Leonard running like deer to the rim, Damian pulls up and I hold my
breath! A clear pass to Meyers is there, for the jam, but Damian takes the three point shot! Clank! Leonard tips it but not good. Fast break opportunity wasted on an ill advices three point attempt, passing up an possible jam assist.

If I were coach I would have jerk his ass off the court and made him clearly understand, how he just fucked up! Yes the man can play, 11 assists is nice, 3 more would be better, especially with 4 less misses from down town.

3 more would have happened if those players (meyers) had made the shots.

So, that's Dames fault?

 

[Draco]

Whenever I think, "That wasnt a great shot selection" I then quickly remember that we had Raymond Felton the year before and and realize that I will take the worst version of Dame over the best version of Felton any day.

And that is also due in large part to the fact that on Dame's worst day I know I can count on him to always try to get better

Felton is still starting in the NBA!

 

[Boob-No-More]

What does this mean? We DO only have 1 quality NBA starter!

Really? You don''t think at least half the teams in the league would not gladly take C.J. as their starting SG? Yes, last night was just one game, but it builds on what he did in the playoffs last year (and he did that against Tony Allen, one of th ebst perimeter defenders in the league). In his last two games, he's averaging 35 ppg on .619 FG% and .650 3FG%. In his last 4 games he's averaging 28.5 ppg on .618 FG% and .654 3FG%.

The guy just turned 24, has great handles and can get his shot off against anyone. So, if that's not starter quality, name 30 other SGs in the entire world who are better. I bet you can't even name 15.

BNM

 

[MarAzul]

3 more would have happened if those players (meyers) had made the shots.

Come on! Get real. You get assist by setting up shots players can make, not misses. I am speaking of using processions to make assist not take 3 point attempts and I clearly noted one choice where the possibility occurred and the wrong choice taken. He clearly is good enough to do it better if it were demanded of him.

 

[Strenuus]

Come on! Get real. You get assist by setting up shots players can make, not misses. I am speaking of using processions to make assist not take 3 point attempts and I clearly noted one choice where the possibility occurred and the wrong choice taken. He clearly is good enough to do it better if it were demanded of him.

*sigh* I forget no one is ever right with you.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

*sigh* I forget no one is ever right with you.

Clearly he believes in the Japanese philosophy of Kaizen, the practice of continuous improvement. If Dame gets 14 assists on Friday, Marazul will demand 16 on Saturday.

 

[MarAzul]

*sigh* I forget no one is ever right with you.

Sure they are. Keep trying.

 

[Natebishop3]

Come on! Get real. You get assist by setting up shots players can make, not misses. I am speaking of using processions to make assist not take 3 point attempts and I clearly noted one choice where the possibility occurred and the wrong choice taken. He clearly is good enough to do it better if it were demanded of him.

So wide open shots aren't shots that players can make? He fed Meyers multiple wide open shots on drive and dish situations. Meyers just wasn't hitting them. I think he was 1-7 at one point. Dame had 11 freaking assists last night. I don't think you'll ever be happy with him. If he got 14, you'd say he should have had 16 or 17.

At halftime Meyers was 2-8. At the end of the third quarter he was 3-9. It wasn't until the end of the game that he finally finished with a respectable 5-12 but he was 2-7 from downtown. That's 7 three pointers that were assisted on, mostly by Dame.

 

[MarAzul]

If he got 14, you'd say he should have had 16 or 17.

You bet! Especially if he jacket up threes and hit them at a .143 clip. Dang! I though the playoff were bad at .161.
He is a hell of a player except for this flaw.

 

[Natebishop3]

You bet! Especially if he jacket up threes and hit them at a .143 clip. Dang! I though the playoff were bad at .161.
He is a hell of a player except for this flaw.

It's a slump. Shooters go through slumps. His started because of a pretty gruesome injury to his shooting hand. All the best shooters have gone through slumps at some point in their career.

 

[MarAzul]

pointers that were assisted on, mostly by Dame

Good! He shot a high percentage than Damian too. Feed the man.

 

[Natebishop3]

Good! He shot a high percentage than Damian too. Feed the man.

He shot 2-7 from three and Dame shot 1-7. Wooooooooopeeeeeeeeeeeee. Feed the man indeed.

 

[H.C.]

So I'm not going to go back and read the game thread. But I'm interested to know if anyone thought the samething about CJ when he started to force shots.. Taking bad shots and missing them.. Leading to run outs.. Pelicans couldn't take advantage but CJ did take bad shots as well and missed.
Expected though this year for lillard/cj to take those bad shots for me at least.

The guy is a terrific player, he just makes too many bad choices. Too many three point shots taken. You say "slump" and I say bad choices. He has no need to take those shots.
Last night, I saw a great play from Lillard, a behind the back pass to Leonard, who drained the mid range shot. Assist to Damian, the first I can ever remember seeing with Meyers as the shooter.
Great! let us see more! A few moments later, Leonard blocks a shot, they get the ball to Damian and down the court in a rush, Leonard running like deer to the rim, Damian pulls up and I hold my
breath! A clear pass to Meyers is there, for the jam, but Damian takes the three point shot! Clank! Leonard tips it but not good. Fast break opportunity wasted on an ill advices three point attempt, passing up an possible jam assist.

If I were coach I would have jerk his ass off the court and made him clearly understand, how he just fucked up! Yes the man can play, 11 assists is nice, 3 more would be better, especially with 4 less misses from down town.

Actually that's a smart basketball play. Your big has position and a high chance of getting a tip-in if the shot is missed.
Any coach or rather any coach worth anything will tell the player to shoot the 3.
Big man with position is supposed to be ready to tip it in or at the very least keep the ball alive after the miss, if it misses.
I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. But you have to think more than just shot selection.
I can't count how many times in the NBA of a player passing up a wide open shot.. Only to zip a pass or throw the lob to the big who while is wide open.. They're not expecting the pass and it leads to a turnover instead of shot + a possible rebound.
I remember Rolo/Camby/Joel always telling the player to shoot the ball in that situation after the pass was dropped out of bounds because they weren't expecting it. (Only referencing those players because this is a blazer forum. Easier for people to have actually seen Blazer players.)

 

[MarAzul]

Any coach or rather any coach worth anything will tell the player to shoot the 3

I doubt it, not a guy that shooting them in the tiny percentages.

 

[MarAzul]

He shot 2-7 from three and Dame shot 1-7. Wooooooooopeeeeeeeeeeeee. Feed the man indeed.

Tell you what Nate, given their track record over the last year, I will bet you a $100 that Meyers will hit a higher percentage of threes this year than Damian.
What do you think?

 

[Strenuus]

Tell you what Nate, given their track record over the last year, I will bet you a $100 that Meyers will hit a higher percentage of threes this year than Damian.
What do you think?

lol. This is going to be the new draft kings soon.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sure they are. Keep trying.

Oh... right... now I remember why I ignore you.

 

[MarAzul]

Oh... right... now I remember why I ignore you.

err, is the facility not working?

 

[blue9]

Oh... right... now I remember why I ignore you.

Season starts and two people immediately go on my ignore list!

 

[KingSpeed]

Dame hit 6 threes against Utah a couple weeks ago. He's fine.

 

[KingSpeed]

Whatever...... we have one player who could start for other teams was my point.

And you're wrong. CJ would start for every team but Houston.

 

[BlazerWookee]

The weird thing is that his shot looks a little different. I'm not sure if it's purely a confidence thing, or if he's not following through. I haven't watched any replays to take a look at it, but something seems different.

Maybe he needs to eff up his finger again?