Dame Time (for a trade)…

[SharpesTriumph]

which comments? there seems to be a lot of selective memory at work right now

posters such as yourself seem to continuously ignore that the last thing Dame said on this was he expected to be a Blazer when the season started

I know that will give you an avenue to say "see, Dame knows the Blazers are going to make a shitty trade to appease him". But any common sense read of that comment would be Dame knows what the options are, and we've been hearing quite often that the trade options for #3 aren't good enough, and the Blazers are likely keeping that pick.

maybe let all play out before being hysterical about something that might not happen

Dames naming multiple teams he'd be interested in being traded to. Yeah you can try to justify it or say his other comment indicate something else. The point is hes never brought up teams like that in the past, he knows how to avoid those answers, and now unlike prior years he is not.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If the goal is to win now and not later, then there is really only one option.

Win what, a playin game?

 

[RonBrewer]

Dames naming multiple teams he'd be interested in being traded to. Yeah you can try to justify it or say his other comment indicate something else. The point is hes never brought up teams like that in the past, he knows how to avoid those answers, and now unlike prior years he is not.

He's answered questions. So what.

He's not getting traded to those teams. They don't have enough to offer. We aren't going to let him go for free and he's not going to sit out.

So fans can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Dame will be here next year.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Here is what it is...

One way or the other change is coming to the Blazers roster. That is uncomfortable, especially with the Blazers given history around trades and free agency. It's hard to trust that those in charge won't fuck it up.

Dame hasn't asked to be traded. He has put some pressure on the Blazers to put veterans around him. He has said it is not his preference to spend more time building around rookies. He hasn't said, if you don't get veterans trade me.

He went online and was asked...if he was traded which teams he would like to go to. He answered Miami and Brooklyn. He did not demand a trade to either team. He then said he anticipates being a Blazer next season in the same online Q and A.

Miami lost out on Beal and are fantasizing about Dame. Too bad for them, the Blazers aren't shopping him. They are looking to trade for vets to put around Dame. Which is scary because we could be giving up future all stars to do it. So, I get it, but I think there is some overreaction. The Sky is not falling. Not, yet anyway.

Dame never would have speculated going to two other teams in prior years. He would've just said Im on the Blazers. You can try to justify it all you want but Dame is well aware of the media asking these questions as they have been for years and this is the first time he's mentioned specific teams he'd want to go to.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Yes we can discuss this issue in this thread. We can discuss trading or not trading Dame. Your engagement in this discussion is proving this is a useful, wanted, popular thread, thank you.

you are right. 13 of the posts on the first page discussing/commenting on the lack of necessity of this thread completely validates the thread creation.
You soooooo proved your point. LOL!!!

 

[Tince]

Dames naming multiple teams he'd be interested in being traded to. Yeah you can try to justify it or say his other comment indicate something else. The point is hes never brought up teams like that in the past, he knows how to avoid those answers, and now unlike prior years he is not.

This is misleading at best. Dame was asked to pick favorites amongst a list of 4 pre-selected teams by a 3rd party

 

[RonBrewer]

Here is what it is...

One way or the other change is coming to the Blazers roster. That is uncomfortable, especially with the Blazers given history around trades and free agency. It's hard to trust that those in charge won't fuck it up.

Dame hasn't asked to be traded. He has put some pressure on the Blazers to put veterans around him. He has said it is not his preference to spend more time building around rookies. He hasn't said, if you don't get veterans trade me.

He went online and was asked...if he was traded which teams he would like to go to. He answered Miami and Brooklyn. He did not demand a trade to either team. He then said he anticipates being a Blazer next season in the same online Q and A.

Miami lost out on Beal and are fantasizing about Dame. Too bad for them, the Blazers aren't shopping him. They are looking to trade for vets to put around Dame. Which is scary because we could be giving up future all stars to do it. So, I get it, but I think there is some overreaction. The Sky is not falling. Not, yet anyway.

Perfect summation. The ones that continue to read into and spin this are the ones that want Dame traded. There is no gray, all black and white. They are manifesting what they want to happen.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Dame never would have speculated going to two other teams in prior years. He would've just said Im on the Blazers. You can try to justify it all you want but Dame is well aware of the media asking these questions as they have been for years and this is the first time he's mentioned specific teams he'd want to go to.

If you had actually watched/listened to the full interview you would know that he didn't speculate on his own. He was asked “of these (x) teams, if you HAD to make a choice, which one would you pick.

Some of you i KNOW are not this ignorant…

Man are showing the non blazer types who read this how tunnel visioned some are.

@Natebishop cant/refuses to respond to valid rebuttals to his statements, the same handful of people keep saying the same thing thread after thread day after day in the face of people showing them how their factual opinion might not be correct.
Idiocracy is living in this forum right now.
I refuse to join in on such nonsense anymore.
Sad day for the Blazers official forum to see so many fans so clueless to thier own biases to the point they disregard facts that contradict thier opinion.

Sad day indeed…

The fox news of sports forums right here….

See yall on draft night where the real facts will be and not someone spending all day and night on a forum telling others their opinions are the only correct/factual answers and ignoring/dismissing anyone who shows proof contrary to their opinion.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

This is misleading at best. Dame was asked to pick favorites amongst a list of 4 pre-selected teams by a 3rd party

Fox news mentality bro. Its the way of the world and apparently S2 is no different.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So what are the new assets we have now that we didn’t have before that he is referring to? It’s not rocket science.

I didn't see him say anything about new assets either. Just that we have the assets to make something happen.

He's not interested in tanking.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Dames naming multiple teams he'd be interested in being traded to. Yeah you can try to justify it or say his other comment indicate something else. The point is hes never brought up teams like that in the past, he knows how to avoid those answers, and now unlike prior years he is not.

Except he didn't. He was asked about some specific teams and he answered the question.

 

[wizenheimer]

Except he didn't. He was asked about some specific teams and he answered the question.

I wonder if the same people making a big deal about Dame answering a question about specific teams would be silent if he had declined to answer. I'm pretty sure the answer is no

 

[Phatguysrule]

Dame never would have speculated going to two other teams in prior years. He would've just said Im on the Blazers. You can try to justify it all you want but Dame is well aware of the media asking these questions as they have been for years and this is the first time he's mentioned specific teams he'd want to go to.

He was asked about specific teams. He answered with teams that he has friends on. And specifically said it was because of those friends that he chose those teams in his answer.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

I didn't see him say anything about new assets either. Just that we have the assets to make something happen.

He's not interested in tanking.

So you tell me then what these assets are that can get enough talent in trade to compete.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So you tell me then what these assets are that can get enough talent in trade to compete.

We have a lot of draft picks and players we can trade. He didn't say anything about contending. He just wants to be competitive. In Portland.

I want us to contend, and I think we have the assets to get us there.

But Dame hasn't said we need to be contenders on draft day or anything of the sort.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is misleading at best. Dame was asked to pick favorites amongst a list of 4 pre-selected teams by a 3rd party

He's been asked these types of questions before and is very aware of how his words will be viewed, so no I think his response shows his commitment to the team is totally different now than other off-seasons.

I'm not saying it guarantees he is gone or anything, I'm just saying it's a legit point of speculation he brought himself and can't be written off completely because of a different comment where he thinks he'll be here next year.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Imagine if any of us married people were asked in public what lady x y z in the neighborhood do you think would be a good lady to date if you ever got divorced?

Yeah you answer that question with anything but 100% commitment to your wife and see what your wife thinks. I'd love to hear you try to explain your way out of that one.

That Dame would answer the question shows the relationship is crazy fragile. Maybe it gets repaired, maybe not. I'm sure as hell not trading away the #3 pick when and the Blazers might break up in a few months either way.

It's not like this is the sole indicator, it's exhibit 1 of 50 that the Dame as a cornerstone of the Blazers time may be ending.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Imagine if any of us married people were asked in public what lady x y z in the neighborhood do you think would be a good lady to date if you ever got divorced?

Yeah you answer that question with anything but 100% commitment to your wife and see what your wife thinks. I'd love to hear you try to explain your way out of that one.

That Dame would answer the question shows the relationship is crazy fragile. Maybe it gets repaired, maybe not. I'm sure as hell not trading away the #3 pick when it might break up in a few months either way.

Great analogy!

 

[Tince]

He's been asked these types of questions before and is very aware of how his words will be viewed, so no I think his response shows his commitment to the team is totally different now than other off-seasons.

I'm not saying it guarantees he is gone or anything, I'm just saying it's a legit point of speculation he brought himself and can't be written off completely because of a different comment where he thinks he'll be here next year.

I'm not sure it's worthy of getting in a debate of how well you know what Dame is aware of and how his words will be view. Regardless, what you said was misleading, at best, and my response was to bring attention to it.

I think everyone is aware Dame would like to stay in Portland and that there are situations where being traded may make more sense for both sides. No use to misrepresenting what he's said to make a point.

 

[Tince]

Imagine if any of us married people were asked in public what lady x y z in the neighborhood do you think would be a good lady to date if you ever got divorced?

Yeah you answer that question with anything but 100% commitment to your wife and see what your wife thinks. I'd love to hear you try to explain your way out of that one.

That Dame would answer the question shows the relationship is crazy fragile. Maybe it gets repaired, maybe not. I'm sure as hell not trading away the #3 pick when and the Blazers might break up in a few months either way.

It's not like this is the sole indicator, it's exhibit 1 of 50 that the Dame as a cornerstone of the Blazers time may be ending.

Great analogy!

A far better and more 1 to 1 analogy would be: Say you worked in a car dealership as a salesman and someone asked you "Hey, if you weren't in sales and had to be in finance, accounting, or the parts department, which would you choose?"

If the employee said "Accounting obviously because Tom the acocuntant is my boy." that wouldn't mean the car salesman is being disloyal to his sales job or even looking to leave; it would just mean he answered the question and has relationships in other departments of the dealership.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not sure it's worthy of getting in a debate of how well you know what Dame is aware of and how his words will be view. Regardless, what you said was misleading, at best, and my response was to bring attention to it.

I think everyone is aware Dame would like to stay in Portland and that there are situations where being traded may make more sense for both sides. No use to misrepresenting what he's said to make a point.

Well that's your opinion. I don't believe I misrepresented anything. It was created directly from Dames words. No it doesn't guarantee Dame is gone or anything, but it's another piece of evidence and yes speculation that the time may be ending. But it's not pure speculation, is had a direct quote. This is a story with local and national legs, rightly so.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

A far better and more 1 to 1 analogy would be: Say you worked in a car dealership as a salesman and someone asked you "Hey, if you weren't in sales and had to be in finance, accounting, or the parts department, which would you choose?"

If the employee said "Accounting obviously because Tom the acocuntant is my boy." that wouldn't mean the car salesman is being disloyal to his sales job or even looking to leave; it would just mean he answered the question and has relationships in other departments of the dealership.

How is someone in sales going to have the education and experience to work in finance?

Dame has all the experience to move to these other teams. A better analogy would be moving to a competitor car dealership, and I don't think your boss is going to look kindly on that type of comments.

 

[Tince]

Well that's your opinion. I don't believe I misrepresented anything. It was created directly from Dames words. No it doesn't guarantee Dame is gone or anything, but it's another piece of evidence and yes speculation that the time may be ending. But it's not pure speculation, is had a direct quote. This is a story with local and national legs, rightly so.

No, it's not my opinion. You said Dame is listing teams he'd be interested in being traded to. The reality is, Dame picked two out of a choice 4/5 teams that he'd prefer to play over the others, with Portland being excluded from that list. That does not mean he's interested in being traded there, you added that part yourself.

Taking part of a quote, while excluding the question, and exluding him saying he wanted to stay in Portland, and excluding him saying questions about him wanting to be traded to other teams were "loaded questions." is misleading at best. Did you watch the entire hour of the Showtime podcast or are you taking clips you've seen on Twitter?

 

[Tince]

How is someone in sales going to have the education and experience to work in finance?

Dame has all the experience to move to these other teams. A better analogy would be moving to a competitor car dealership, and I don't think your boss is going to look kindly on that type of comments.

Are you serious? You don't think it's possible with someone with a finance background to be a car salesman?

The dealership = NBA.
The department = Team

But even if you wanted to go with your stance if a car saleman being asked "If you had to work at dealership between, A,B,C, and D... excluding where you work, where would you pick?" Answering that question would not make any reasonable employer get rid of the best salesman they've had 30 years because he answered a question.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Are you serious? You don't think it's possible with someone with a finance background to be a car salesman?

The dealership = NBA.
The department = Team

But even if you wanted to go with your stance if a car saleman being asked "If you had to work at dealership between, A,B,C, and D... excluding where you work, where would you pick?" Answering that question would not make any reasonable employer get rid of the best salesman they've had 30 years because he answered a question.

If you went on a national public interview and gave that answer talking up competitors it might hold you back from promotions and be viewed very negatively. If it was the CEO he absolutely might be fired. Dame is likewise the highest compensated member of the Blazers paid much more than the GM or President. Him speculation what other NBA teams hed want to play for isn't a normal thing him or other stars do in interviews. Its a legit national story, and some other comment of him saying he is likely in Portland next year doesn't undo those comments.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Looks like fans are split down the middle on whether to trade Dame or to trade #3 pick if we were forced to choose a path.

 

[blazerkor]

Looks like fans are split down the middle on whether to trade Dame or to trade #3 pick if we were forced to choose a path.

I don't think people are split as much as convinced that we either can get good enough pieces to give us a chance with Dame or we can't. I think almost every Blazers fan would choose a championship with Dame over a youth rebuild with a chance to be a dynasty.

The fact is I'm cool with leaving it up to the guys that get paid to make these moves. They seem to think they can still build around Dame, so they better go all in on that idea. If they decide they can't get the right pieces to contend right away with Dame they should sit him down and figure out where the best place is for him to go that can give us fair market value for him.

The only thing that will really piss me off is if the front office tries to straddle the line. If we pick Miller or even worse Scoot, take BPA at 23, keep Ant and Nurk and just try to roll with the improvements the rookies and whoever we can get with the TPMLE... that would be worst case scenario.

 

[Shaboid]

Looks like 20 anonymous posters on RC2 are split down the middle on whether to trade Dame or to trade #3 pick if we were forced to choose one arbitrary paths that I made up.

Fixed

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Trade Ant, 3, and Nurkic. Little possibly, too. Any others like Knox are filler.

SHARPE is not traded. The best option provided is neither.

 

[BassPlaya]

Touted incorrectly....many "facts" are not facts at all.

Here are the real "facts"

Dame never said he wanted to be traded.
Dame has said he wants to win in Portland and stay in Portland
Players after the top few picks can still be difference makers (Check the Heat roster draft status of the players that helped drive them to the finals)
Teams can get better without adding players. Who did Denver add last season?