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WesleyMatthews said:
Look at other NBA rosters without their best player, are the Blazers that much worse? I'm sure a few teams are better but the majority are much worse I'd reckon. It's not easy constructing a roster with even one allstar let alone multiple.

The Blazers traded away two firsts for RoCo. Maybe they could do another trade like that.

But if Lillard will only be happy with a super team then maybe we should trade him.

Lillard not solving traps, sucking on defense, and having an iso offense is a big reason for the playoff losses. Yes there are others to blame too.

I dont want to see the team trade away more picks and we are in the same spot a year from now which seems like a very plausible end to this "urgency" mantra
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If you don't think you're going to do what it takes or that Dame has what it takes to get him a championship here (that likely means leveraging a bunch of future picks) then you hit reset right now and trade Dame first followed by the rest of our starters. Get the most young talent and picks possible.

I think we can build a contender this off season, by using our future picks, CJ and possibly Nurk depending on who we get in return for CJ and the picks. I would also use Ant and Nas to get pieces that are known contributors to winning or as sweeteners to land a big star.
 
Hoopguru said:
I watched the presser again and a couple comments he made besides the urgency factor stood out as well, along with him being the calm cool and collected dude he is.
- said all this wasnt coming from him as it wasnt before.
- Everyone else is creating the drama, not him.
- see's himself in a blazer uni next year
- not a bad team a good team, great city a lot of positives

Saw where Casey H talked to him about a new house he's building in Lake O and the business's

This guy good be the Governor of Oregon One Day and hopefully part owner of the storied franchise.

Dame has it made in Portland but he's earned the right to do as he wishes....
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I was told the house is in West Linn.
Just looked it up and here's his address:
2130 Windham Oaks Ct, West Linn, OR 97068.
He's on water alright but not Oswego Lake. He's on the Willamette River.
 
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Fez Forthright said:
In today’s installment of delusional Laker fans:

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Will if happens it's happens I still be rooting for the Blazers. I don't see how olshey can do enough this off season to make Dame happy. First if anyone thinks we going get a star trading away CJ think again it's not going to happen but they could get quality players that might benefit the team more in the long run. This team already show they can win without CJ. Powell would good start but you need not over pay him that's what got us in this mess in the first place. As I said before I be surprised if Nurk don't get traded too just with with his comment but maybe not because it's looks Billups has plans for him. Now the question do we trade Dame well I hope not but that's going up to olshey if he can rabbit out the hat to impress Dame if not you just might see this team get blow up this before the start of next year but I guess we going be like Dame we all going to watch and see what olshey does.
 
wizenheimer said:
crock of shit

"multiple young players"...?

LOL...the Rockets got the perpetually injured, going on 30 Oladipo; the always injured Dante Exum; and the useless Rodions Kurucs

That's it...that's the extent of Houston's young players haul. It's garbage
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They got Lavert and Allen. They chose to move those two for one pick and Oladipo.
 
B-Roy said:
They got Lavert and Allen. They chose to move those two for one pick and Oladipo.
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Lavert will be 27 in a month (and has missed an average of 27 games a year over his career). He's not a "young player".

Allen is 23, so yeah, he fits the young player mold. So, "multiple" young players turns out to be 1
 
wizenheimer said:
Lavert will be 27 in a month (and has missed an average of 27 games a year over his career). He's not a "young player".

Allen is 23, so yeah, he fits the young player mold. So, "multiple" young players turns out to be 1
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you’re arguing semantics. I think lavert qualifies for enough people to be in that category. At the very least he’s positive trade value.
 
B-Roy said:
you’re arguing semantics. I think lavert qualifies for enough people to be in that category. At the very least he’s positive trade value.
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he's the same age as Nurkic, and I doubt anybody would consider Nurkic young

it may be semantics but "young' was a term the author of the article used. The history of the trades of franchise players is that the pre-trade expectations of the return always overrate the reality

and the idea that the Kings or Rockets would want to trade for a 31 year old player on a super-max contract seems way off too. The 76ers or Miami, OK. Maybe even NY. But the teams that will want to trade for Dame won't have a lot of young players and are very unlikely to have any lottery picks (and no, the Knicks don't count because Portland isn't trading Dame in the next 2 weeks)
 
wizenheimer said:
he's the same age as Nurkic, and I doubt anybody would consider Nurkic young

it may be semantics but "young' was a term the author of the article used. The history of the trades of franchise players is that the pre-trade expectations of the return always overrate the reality

and the idea that the Kings or Rockets would want to trade for a 31 year old player on a super-max contract seems way off too. The 76ers or Miami, OK. Maybe even NY. But the teams that will want to trade for Dame won't have a lot of young players and are very unlikely to have any lottery picks (and no, the Knicks don't count because Portland isn't trading Dame in the next 2 weeks)
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You’re really getting caught up in one or two words. End of the day, Rockets got 4 picks and 3 swaps. Some of those picks were from moving positive value assets they received in the deal, however you want to litigate the word “young”. That was the haul. That’s what the article is suggesting the Sum of the value we can get is. Also, I think the Rockets clearly misvalued Oladipo. They figured they would be able to flip him for at least a first, ended up getting a protected second. That was a fault of the FO.
 
B-Roy said:
You’re really getting caught up in one or two words. End of the day, Rockets got 4 picks and 3 swaps. Some of those picks were from moving positive value assets they received in the deal, however you want to litigate the word “young”. That was the haul. That’s what the article is suggesting the Sum of the value we can get is. Also, I think the Rockets clearly misvalued Oladipo. They figured they would be able to flip him for at least a first, ended up getting a protected second. That was a fault of the FO.
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so then, cut out the other teams and just make it a Nets/Rockets swap and the Rockets get Lavert, Allen, Prince, 4 swaps and 3 firsts. Would you trade Dame for that kind of package knowing that for the next 4-5 years those picks will be in 25-30 range? You can pretty much dismiss at least two of the swaps, probably 3 of them. So then 3 picks and a swap, and at least a couple of the picks will be late 1st round. That would be a shitty return for Dame
 
wizenheimer said:
so then, cut out the other teams and just make it a Nets/Rockets swap and the Rockets get Lavert, Allen, Prince, 4 swaps and 3 firsts. Would you trade Dame for that kind of package knowing that for the next 4-5 years those picks will be in 25-30 range? You can pretty much dismiss at least two of the swaps, probably 3 of them. So then 3 picks and a swap, and at least a couple of the picks will be late 1st round. That would be a shitty return for Dame
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I’m not arguing that we should trade Dame, but if we did trade him, this is the package we’re likely to get. Also I think fans generally undervalue unprotected firsts that are 5-6 years out, and Rockets got 3 (2 and a swap). On strictly value alone I don’t think you can definitively say one way or another until those picks are made.
 
B-Roy said:
I’m not arguing that we should trade Dame, but if we did trade him, this is the package we’re likely to get. Also I think fans generally undervalue unprotected firsts that are 5-6 years out, and Rockets got 3 (2 and a swap). On strictly value alone I don’t think you can definitively say one way or another until those picks are made.
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this is what Houston got:

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the reason they got that Cleveland pick is because they diverted Lavert and Allen. As you said, they took shittier players to elevate their draft pick haul

I doubt the Blazers would do that (even though they should)

here's the thing, Durant, Harden, and Irving are all signed thru 2023. Sure...things could 'happen' but it seems a pretty safe assumption that the first two pick swaps won't be exercised. It also seems a safe assumption that Houston is trying the philly model and will suck for the next 2-4 years in order to maximize their own picks. I wouldn't put much value at all on the 2025 swap or the 2024 pick. I do not see any lottery picks in that bunch of picks till maybe 2026....5 years from now

this reinforces what I'd advocate and that's if Portland goes the nuclear route of trading Dame, they should absolutely trade CJ, Nurkic, RoCo and any player over 24 with decent value and go into a full rebuild. They should go tank-for-the-lottery-mode because the best case scenario after trading Dame is another 5 years of mediocrity. No point to that shit
 
wizenheimer said:
this is what Houston got:

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the reason they got that Cleveland pick is because they diverted Lavert and Allen. As you said, they took shittier players to elevate their draft pick haul

I doubt the Blazers would do that (even though they should)

here's the thing, Durant, Harden, and Irving are all signed thru 2023. Sure...things could 'happen' but it seems a pretty safe assumption that the first two pick swaps won't be exercised. It also seems a safe assumption that Houston is trying the philly model and will suck for the next 2-4 years in order to maximize their own picks. I wouldn't put much value at all on the 2025 swap or the 2024 pick. I do not see any lottery picks in that bunch of picks till maybe 2026....5 years from now

this reinforces what I'd advocate and that's if Portland goes the nuclear route of trading Dame, they should absolutely trade CJ, Nurkic, RoCo and any player over 24 with decent value and go into a full rebuild. They should go tank-for-the-lottery-mode because the best case scenario after trading Dame is another 5 years of mediocrity. No point to that shit
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It's pretty clear to me the 24-27 picks/swaps are the main parts of the deal. You have no way of projecting where those could land.

And yeah, no shit they should tank and trade everything if they had to trade Dame. Houston chose to tank. They traded Westbrook for a worse player to get a pick. They moved LaVert and Allen for a pick so they would be more likely to keep their pick this year (Worked out for them, they got #2), knowing they would still suck with Oladipo after, but maybe he would play well enough for some desperate team to trade another pick for him (that part didn't work as well).

Like you, my preference is to not trade Dame. But if he requested a trade, I would look for something like this. Seems like based on your arguments that you would too.
 
B-Roy said:
Like you, my preference is to not trade Dame. But if he requested a trade, I would look for something like this. Seems like based on your arguments that you would too.
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sure

but it will be disgusting if it comes to that a year from now (or even by the trade deadline) and the Blazers have made not one 'single swing-for-the-fences' move. Just the typical rinse-repeat-every-off-season moves

and it will be enraging if the guy who basically drove Dame out of Portland by piss-poor management ends up being the guy who trades him
 
wizenheimer said:
this is what Houston got:

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the reason they got that Cleveland pick is because they diverted Lavert and Allen. As you said, they took shittier players to elevate their draft pick haul

I doubt the Blazers would do that (even though they should)

here's the thing, Durant, Harden, and Irving are all signed thru 2023. Sure...things could 'happen' but it seems a pretty safe assumption that the first two pick swaps won't be exercised. It also seems a safe assumption that Houston is trying the philly model and will suck for the next 2-4 years in order to maximize their own picks. I wouldn't put much value at all on the 2025 swap or the 2024 pick. I do not see any lottery picks in that bunch of picks till maybe 2026....5 years from now

this reinforces what I'd advocate and that's if Portland goes the nuclear route of trading Dame, they should absolutely trade CJ, Nurkic, RoCo and any player over 24 with decent value and go into a full rebuild. They should go tank-for-the-lottery-mode because the best case scenario after trading Dame is another 5 years of mediocrity. No point to that shit
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And most of that draft capital will most likely end up being crap. For it to pan out, at least 2 0f the picks need to become a potential superstar & perennial all star PERIOD! They should have kept Levert.
 
wizenheimer said:
sure

but it will be disgusting if it comes to that a year from now (or even by the trade deadline) and the Blazers have made not one 'single swing-for-the-fences' move. Just the typical rinse-repeat-every-off-season moves

and it will be enraging if the guy who basically drove Dame out of Portland by piss-poor management ends up being the guy who trades him
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Dunno why we're having this conversation. Clearly we're both on the same page here.
 
wizenheimer said:
sure

but it will be disgusting if it comes to that a year from now (or even by the trade deadline) and the Blazers have made not one 'single swing-for-the-fences' move. Just the typical rinse-repeat-every-off-season moves

and it will be enraging if the guy who basically drove Dame out of Portland by piss-poor management ends up being the guy who trades him
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Wont change much under current ownership.
 


Houston’s #2 in play

But why would Dame ok that? They’d be a shitty version of the Blazers.
 
They deleted it - but it was based on O’Conner’s article that Houston is aggressive.
 
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