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I don't see the logic for assuming there is no way he asks for a trade.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If Dame wants out, I've been in favor of getting Simmons in return, just because nobody else is offering a legit star. But the more I look at Simmons, the less I like everything except his skillz. The thing about Dame is that he's an amazing person - thoughtful and with a genuine leader's gravitas. Simmons just seems prickly, defensive (maybe that explains his talents) and in general, a lot more like LaMarcus than Dame. Only with added James Harden Kardashian tendencies. Who would be the team leader if we swapped Dame for Simmons? CJ?

So maybe we should say to Philly: look: you have to trade Simmons. You're salivating for Dame. Okay, so work out a deal that gets us back what WE want and we'll sign on.
What we want includes:
A young star prospect like Jalen Suggs or maybe Jonathan Kuminga
Matisse Thybulle
AT LEAST two picks that have a strong likelihood of being lottery picks
...?

Maybe Golden State would do that deal that Philly asked for if they dropped one or two of the extra picks. So Philly sends Simmons to GState and gets Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody.
Okay, give us Kuminga, Moody, Thybulle, and flip Wiggins and Wiseman for something we like more and we'll talk.

I'm literally the only one who'd like this particular version (I like Harris much more than Wiseman or Wiggins, and the advanced stats are with me), but something along these lines:

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absolutely not to the notion of Portland getting Tobias Harris for trading Dame.

instead, force Philly to trade Simmons to a team that WILL send out lottery picks and has space to absorb a lot of Simmons salary

I'd be slightly ok with Portland collecting some young players, draft picks, and cap relief. But only if the Blazers were trading CJ, RoCo, Powell, Nurkic and any other player over 24...for more young players and picks

fuck the idea of trading Dame and building around something like CJ and Harris. That's a worse level of dumbass mediocrity than they have now.
 
wizenheimer said:
absolutely not to the notion of Portland getting Tobias Harris for trading Dame.

instead, force Philly to trade Simmons to a team that WILL send out lottery picks and has space to absorb a lot of Simmons salary

I'd be slightly ok with Portland collecting some young players, draft picks, and cap relief. But only if the Blazers were trading CJ, RoCo, Powell, Nurkic and any other player over 24...for more young players and picks

fuck the idea of trading Dame and building around something like CJ and Harris. That's a worse level of dumbass mediocrity than they have now.
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I agree. There is absolutely no point in taking on Harris's contract to play with a young rebuild unit. But this discussion is moot....at least for now.
 
Hoopguru said:
No way you trade Dame now and no way he demands a trade. Besides Dame is worth a more proven super star than Ben. Watch the netlfex doc on him.
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I agree, if you're saying there's no way he demands a trade right now. If he demands a trade I think the earliest it will be is with enough time to get himself traded by the deadline.

I think if Dame wanted out tomorrow, the move to make would be a version of a trade that the Pelicans supposedly offered or a NOLA sportswriter suggested. Ingram, Hayes and picks for Dame. Ingram has been an all star and is a great scorer at all levels with a lot of size. Hayes is a three and D post. I think at that point trading CJ and RoCo plus some of the picks we get from NOLA for Simmons would be a good move. You get the best young player/picks available for Nurk. Obviously trading Norm wouldn't be an option immediately but you'd feature him until we could trade him and get the best young value for him that you can.
 
blazerkor said:
I agree, if you're saying there's no way he demands a trade right now. If he demands a trade I think the earliest it will be is with enough time to get himself traded by the deadline.

I think if Dame wanted out tomorrow, the move to make would be a version of a trade that the Pelicans supposedly offered or a NOLA sportswriter suggested. Ingram, Hayes and picks for Dame. Ingram has been an all star and is a great scorer at all levels with a lot of size. Hayes is a three and D post. I think at that point trading CJ and RoCo plus some of the picks we get from NOLA for Simmons would be a good move. You get the best young player/picks available for Nurk. Obviously trading Norm wouldn't be an option immediately but you'd feature him until we could trade him and get the best young value for him that you can.
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I like Ingram a lot and Hayes is talented. Is he the one that just got in trouble?
 
riverman said:
Dame's not going anywhere....this thread is a jinx thread...get over the Blazer's Edge panic mode...enjoy the changes and cheer for the guy...he's a Blazer under contract who's not demanded a trade period...folks are actually buying into the Dan Marang Koolaid..S2....be better!
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Bravo Bro.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If Dame wants out, I've been in favor of getting Simmons in return, just because nobody else is offering a legit star. But the more I look at Simmons, the less I like everything except his skillz. The thing about Dame is that he's an amazing person - thoughtful and with a genuine leader's gravitas. Simmons just seems prickly, defensive (maybe that explains his talents) and in general, a lot more like LaMarcus than Dame. Only with added James Harden Kardashian tendencies. Who would be the team leader if we swapped Dame for Simmons? CJ?

So maybe we should say to Philly: look: you have to trade Simmons. You're salivating for Dame. Okay, so work out a deal that gets us back what WE want and we'll sign on.
What we want includes:
A young star prospect like Jalen Suggs or maybe Jonathan Kuminga
Matisse Thybulle
AT LEAST two picks that have a strong likelihood of being lottery picks
...?

Maybe Golden State would do that deal that Philly asked for if they dropped one or two of the extra picks. So Philly sends Simmons to GState and gets Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody.
Okay, give us Kuminga, Moody, Thybulle, and flip Wiggins and Wiseman for something we like more and we'll talk.

I'm literally the only one who'd like this particular version (I like Harris much more than Wiseman or Wiggins, and the advanced stats are with me), but something along these lines:

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YUK! You sure are jonesing for him to be traded.
 
Cugel said:
I don't see the logic for assuming there is no way he asks for a trade.
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He's a man of his word and views his extended contract as such. He's only 31 and when his contract is up and he wants new horizons, maybe he decides to leave. But maybe, he decides on a Super Max here in Portland too?
 
Hoopguru said:
He's a man of his word and views his extended contact as such. He's only 31 and when his contact is up and he wants new horizons, maybe he decides to leave. But maybe, he decides on a Super Max here in Portland too?
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With training, nutrition, and smarts, players can play into their 40's and be productive. 70's & 80's were the golden age of Sex, Drug's, and Rock & Roll in Pro Sports. Not saying there aren't athletes today that live that fast lifestyle, but there are way more players today, that watch how they do things, and center their lives around Family & Business. So they are able to extend their careers.
 
Hoopguru said:
I like Ingram a lot and Hayes is talented. Is he the one that just got in trouble?
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He is. It sounds like he resisted arrest and they threw assaulting an officer at him but he'll have good lawyers that will get the charges down to misdemeanors if they stick at all. Right now the LAPD is investigating the situation for use of force. The body cam footage will be interesting. This is his friend's footage.

I think because of how the cops handled it and how high profile it is... unless he actually punched an officer multiple times... both parties will want to plead this thing out and make it go away. Unless, Hayes just wants to go after the LAPD.

Any way that I look at this, it wouldn't keep me from wanting him unless he did go absolutely wild on the officer and even then I believe in second chances. I also can't find any other issues with him before but if there were, this might be a little troubling.
 
blazerkor said:
He is. It sounds like he resisted arrest and they threw assaulting an officer at him but he'll have good lawyers that will get the charges down to misdemeanors if they stick at all. Right now the LAPD is investigating the situation for use of force. The body cam footage will be interesting. This is his friend's footage.

I think because of how the cops handled it and how high profile it is... unless he actually punched an officer multiple times... both parties will want to plead this thing out and make it go away. Unless, Hayes just wants to go after the LAPD.

Any way that I look at this, it wouldn't keep me from wanting him unless he did go absolutely wild on the officer and even then I believe in second chances. I also can't find any other issues with him before but if there were, this might be a little troubling.
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Im a big believer in second chances! I have a son that needed one and he made the best of it, so Proud!
 
Does Dame just search his name on Twitter the first thing in the morning? Dude finds the most random shit to respond to from the most random people. This one, he didn't even get tagged.

Twitter fingers forreal
 
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-after-blazers-fail-urgency-test?share=other

A word Lillard has used often is "urgency." He wants Olshey to be aggressive and creative, and to take the steps to surround him with talent in the same way other teams have to keep their superstars happy and contending.

Olshey hasn't addressed the media since his disastrous press conference introducing Billups in late June. No one knows when he will again; it might not be until training camp that he talks next. When he does, he'll likely point out that he had very little flexibility to work with. That's one of the themes he usually falls back on, along with reminding everyone that no free agents want to play in a small market like Portland.

But in a summer full of complex sign-and-trade deals, the amount of cap space teams have on paper matters less than it ever has. The Chicago Bulls, to use just one example, began the summer operating over the cap and managed, through sign-and-trades, to add nearly $200 million in new money for significant roster upgrades.

Outside of McCollum, who is the logical candidate to be moved for upgrades but whom Olshey has, to this point, shown zero interest in trading, the Blazers have other salaries they could have moved. Robert Covington's $12.9 million, Jusuf Nurkic's $12 million and Derrick Jones Jr.'s $9.7 million—all expiring—are exactly the kind of reasonable deals for solid rotation players that Olshey could have used in sign-and-trades.

Moving any of those players could have helped bring back the kind of long-term upgrades that would make Lillard feel better about spending the rest of his prime in Portland. Powell, who Olshey re-signed for five years and $90 million, could also have been used to facilitate a sign-and-trade for a bigger star.

Specific players aside—there's no use dealing in hypothetical names they could have added after the fact—the point is that the opportunity was there for Olshey to do something beyond re-signing his third guard for big money, adding three minimum-salary backups and calling it a day. Certainly, Lillard has made it clear that he was hoping for bigger moves.
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Lillard doesn't have to win a title at any cost. An educated read of his words and actions over his career would suggest that if he wound up being Reggie Miller in Indiana—retiring ringless but making several deep playoff runs and at least being in the mix most years with a fighting chance to get there in the end—he could live with that. What he doesn't want to be is Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, a perennial MVP candidate whose teams were never serious contenders. And it's hard for him or anyone else to look at the Blazers in their current form and see their future as anything but that.

There's also no guarantee he'll win anywhere else. With four years left on his contract, he wouldn't have much leverage to determine where he got traded, but a few potential destinations have been rumored more than others. He could find himself traded to Philadelphia, where Joel Embiid's health is always a concern and the rest of the competition in the conference is much improved. He could wind up in New York, where they may have to give up too many talented young players to build a long-term winner around him—as was the case when they acquired Carmelo Anthony a decade ago.

There's no obvious situation for Lillard to walk into like James Harden moving to Brooklyn with Durant and Kyrie Irving already there. How will it look if he forces a trade in the name of winning a title and then doesn't get one?


These are all things Lillard will have to weigh in the coming weeks and months as he figures out whether to request a trade, and if he does, how strongly to force the issue. The smart money is on the status quo, which Olshey has been so adamant about maintaining, holding for another year. Lillard will give Billups a chance, and in all likelihood, this roster will finish about where the last several Blazers teams have—in the lower half of the Western Conference playoff picture, penciled in for a first-round exit.

It would be stunning if Lillard wasn't in Portland on opening night of the 2021-22 season, as he has said he expects to be. But it's equally unlikely, if things stay the way they are, that he'll still be there a year from now.
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wizenheimer said:
absolutely not to the notion of Portland getting Tobias Harris for trading Dame.

instead, force Philly to trade Simmons to a team that WILL send out lottery picks and has space to absorb a lot of Simmons salary

I'd be slightly ok with Portland collecting some young players, draft picks, and cap relief. But only if the Blazers were trading CJ, RoCo, Powell, Nurkic and any other player over 24...for more young players and picks

fuck the idea of trading Dame and building around something like CJ and Harris. That's a worse level of dumbass mediocrity than they have now.
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That deal as constructed would give us a young bench of Ant, Little, Tillman, Thybulle, Moody, Kuminga, Pons and Brown, all behind a credibly solid starting lineup of CJ/Norm/RoCo/Harris/Nurk. If a couple of the youngsters pop, you've got a shot at a contender. If not, CJ likely at least rebuilds/improves his trade value, and that whole starting lineup can be sold off at the deadline.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That deal as constructed would give us a young bench of Ant, Little, Tillman, Thybulle, Moody, Kuminga, Pons and Brown, all behind a credibly solid starting lineup of CJ/Norm/RoCo/Harris/Nurk. If a couple of the youngsters pop, you've got a shot at a contender. If not, CJ likely at least rebuilds/improves his trade value, and that whole starting lineup can be sold off at the deadline.
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I don't care about the good parts of the trade when I hate the bad parts. And the good parts are the young bench, not the starting lineup. I won't watch CJ lead the league in dribbling and FGA's. Fuck that

and I don't know what reason there is to expect Olshey to build a contender around CJ & Harris when he couldn't around Dame and CJ. Pie meet sky
 
ya dame's not going anywhere.

Tweeting @ the nba to schedule our game vs the Hawks the day after a fight so he can presumably go to it in ATL.

Liking the post with Brown's contract signing on IG.
 
illmatic99 said:
ya dame's not going anywhere.

Tweeting @ the nba to schedule our game vs the Hawks the day after a fight so he can presumably go to it in ATL.

Liking the post with Brown's contract signing on IG.
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Yeah, obviously the reports that he's going to give the team a chance to prove that they can contend under Chauncey were accurate. At the same time we don't know the timeline he's given Neil to make the team competitive enough. We don't even know what's enough for Dame.

So I'm still a little uncertain that we can just take for granted that we'll have Dame on the team at the end of the season if we're not doing markedly better than we were last season before the trade deadline.
 
wizenheimer said:
fuck the idea of trading Dame and building around something like CJ and Harris. That's a worse level of dumbass mediocrity than they have now.
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That's not the idea. The only reason I want Tobias is instead of Wiggins, who is worse in every way but paid the same.
I agree that it would be best to get some other team just to absorb salary, but what team? The Rockets or OKC are the best bets, but do either of them want Simmons?
 
illmatic99 said:
ya dame's not going anywhere.

Tweeting @ the nba to schedule our game vs the Hawks the day after a fight so he can presumably go to it in ATL.

Liking the post with Brown's contract signing on IG.
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Okay. Are you ready to have this conversation again after our inevitable first round exit?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okay. Are you ready to have this conversation again after our inevitable first round exit?
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i realize you want to create a Dame trade thread every week but think your time would be better spent on a Philly forum coming up with idiotic Simmons trades instead.
 
illmatic99 said:
i realize you want to create a Dame trade thread every week but think your time would be better spent on a Philly forum coming up with idiotic Simmons trades instead.
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How do you know I'm not doing that too? Don't EVER underestimate me.

Also? Somebody who knows what's on everyone's Instagram ever and tracks what planes people MIGHT be on has no business telling anyone else how to spend their time.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
How do you know I'm not doing that too? Don't EVER underestimate me.

Also? Somebody who knows what's on everyone's Instagram ever and tracks what planes people MIGHT be on has no business telling anyone else how to spend their time.
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i only get intermittently busy at the new job. oregon culture-- nothing else to do.
 
Don't think Dame would want to go to a super team like the Lakers or the Nets, but he does want a running mate....
 
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