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I think it’s time obvious what he’s doing - he was likely told that Miami doesn’t have the assets

Now Dame is in bitch-mode.
 
Who source said Cronin was hired as a PR guy? That seems manufactured to fit a narrative.

If the Blazers wanted a fake GM that was actually just super smooth in press conferences, I'd think Cronin would've been super low on that list.
It's my opinion. If it's something I heard, I will say it's something I heard even knowing the type of response that'd get. Call my opinion a narrative, but I'll explain it below:

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Basketball operations intern
Entering his 17 th season with the Trail Blazers in 2022-23, Cronin originally joined the team as a basketball operations intern in 2006. In 2010 he was promoted to Pro Scout/Salary Cap Analyst where he was a crucial part of the player evaluation and roster construction process.
Joe is about as far from a PR guy as Olshey was from being a humble nice guy. That's why I like Joe the most...he's not pretentious..he also didn't spend his apprenticeship under Olshey, he spent most of it under Chad Buchanon and Rich Cho....
I'm not arguing that Cronin doesn't have a resume. I'm arguing that if ownership cared about resumes and hiring the best GM to put a winner on the court, they should've ran a proper interview process to determine who the best GM was to put a winner on the court. They didn't do that.

Joe is a PR guy in the ways that Olshey was not; he's relatable. His demeanor is a stark contrast to Olshey's. He's not some super-slick speaker, he comes across as a regular Joe. I think that the organization valued that and knew that his personality would go over well with the fanbase. Cronin was the perfect guy to have under an ownership group that is absolutely full of shit. I have no problem with his personality, just that his personality (among other things) seemed prioritized over resume considering the lack of a true candidate search. Joe will keep Jody out of the tax, and will pitch it as an honest effort to the fanbase who, after Olshey's bullshit and pretentiousness, will be happy with Joe's honestly and "transparency" even when those statements don't line up with his actions at all because Joe doesn't seem like the type of guy to lie. That's the best kind of PR person to have in a general manager role.

Look at how fans have blasted Dame without ever hearing his side of things or ever giving him a tenth of the benefit of the doubt they give Cronin.
 
It's my opinion. If it's something I heard, I will say it's something I heard even knowing the type of response that'd get. Call my opinion a narrative, but I'll explain it below:

To be clear, I'm not calling you a liar, nor have I ever said Cronin has never lied.

I'm just waiting for someone to provide evidence of a situation where Cronin said he was going to do something with the full intention of never doing so.
 
To be clear, I'm not calling you a liar, nor have I ever said Cronin has never lied.

I'm just waiting for someone to provide evidence of a situation where Cronin said he was going to do something with the full intention of never doing so.
I believe it is disappointment of a goal not being achieved, rather than Cronin lying.
But saying that Dame is very disappointed in Cronin doesn't get as much attention.
There is a group of people out there that wants to focus the blame for Dame wanting a trade 100% on someone else and need a villain because they've invested so much in Dame.
 
How would we have heard Dame's side of things?

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We wouldn't publicly. Harden called Morey a liar and is getting fined 6-figures from it. Dame's not going to do that or speak out on it. He's trying to get the organization to give him what he wants right now.
 
To be clear, I'm not calling you a liar, nor have I ever said Cronin has never lied.

I'm just waiting for someone to provide evidence of a situation where Cronin said he was going to do something with the full intention of never doing so.
And I will be the first to say I can't provide evidence of Cronin's specific intentions. But neither can anyone else. There's no hard evidence that he intended to build a winner around Dame. All we have is Cronin's actions and reporting, which is up for interpretation. Regardless of what I believe, I think it's naive to think we have the full picture.
 
And I will be the first to say I can't provide evidence of Cronin's specific intentions. But neither can anyone else. There's no hard evidence that he intended to build a winner around Dame. All we have is Cronin's actions and reporting, which is up for interpretation. Regardless of what I believe, I think it's naive to think we have the full picture.

We agree on that. I certainly know I don't have the full picture, but I wish I did!
 
Yeah that is a weird take. Dame got the benefit of the doubt for years. All the way up to asking out and saying he only wanted to go one place. Then having his agent tell everyone he won’t accept a trade anywhere else.
Dame hasn't needed the benefit of the doubt. Who's actions have matched whose words before this culminated in a trade demand?
 
That's incorrect. Bledsoe was not waived until July 6th, which means he was in fact kept for the rest of the season.

I'm not saying that Cronin hasn't lied...maybe he has...but that is not an example of one.
I messed up the Bledsoe buyout date...
I have a good excuse for that:
> watching CJ Elleby playing 25m a night during the 2022 Blazer tank fried my brain. Keljin Blevins, and the worst airballs I've ever seen in the NBA, may have caused short term memory loss.
 
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Dame hasn't needed the benefit of the doubt. Who's actions have matched whose words before this culminated in a trade demand?
That's the thing here that is being debated. Joe's been at this for a couple years. Because he has tried and failed (Which by the way is what he said) you are trying to say he lied. Now lets take some things dame said? The whole "Run from the grind" thing sounds a bit shallow now? That doesn't mean he lied. Just that his situation changed.
I don't think anyone actually lied on purpose to mislead anyone. I think this situation has run it's course and in this day and age having a player as long as we did Lillard was a blessing. Time to move forward for both parties.
But then again I've been at this much much longer than you. I've been through this before a bunch of times (Walton, Drexler, Wallace, in some way Randolph, Broy, Aldridge) so it stands to reason I might view it differently.

AT least we don't have Jason Quick in the middle of it all.
 
Dame hasn't needed the benefit of the doubt. Who's actions have matched whose words before this culminated in a trade demand?

That's an awful rationalization to support a horribly sycophantic initial take.

As I said earlier, this is one of those issues where you have an obvious blind spot to everyone but yourself. You can't even adequately defend it, but you're just going to keep doubling down. SMH,
 
Husband calls wife: "I'll be home in five minutes."

Husband gets into car accident on the way. Winds up in hospital. Wife doesn't visit. Wife's sister's neighbor's cousin's mailman Bones visits him in the hospital.

Husband asks Bones if he knows why he hasn't heard from his wife.

Bones: "Oh, yeah. Well, you lied to her about not coming home that day. She left you. What did you expect to happen?"
 
I couldn't disagree more. When have you felt the rest of the league looks at Portland to set the trends on how they're going to operate? The Spurs aren't going to start behaving like the Blazers because of this. If having patience nets us a better deal, then I'm fine waiting. Though it should be noted that waiting doesn't always produce increased value, so there is a risk there.

The Blazers need to try to obtain the best return possible, with all 29 teams. Don't limit it to only the Heat and don't exclude the Heat. I'd like to hope the Heat package isn't going to be the best one, but if it is, and it appears the overall value of Dame is about to diminish, you pull the trigger.

Making or not making moves out of spite, pitty, anger, etc. is a horrible idea.
I couldn't disagree more. When have you felt the rest of the league looks at Portland to set the trends on how they're going to operate? The Spurs aren't going to start behaving like the Blazers because of this. If having patience nets us a better deal, then I'm fine waiting. Though it should be noted that waiting doesn't always produce increased value, so there is a risk there.

The Blazers need to try to obtain the best return possible, with all 29 teams. Don't limit it to only the Heat and don't exclude the Heat. I'd like to hope the Heat package isn't going to be the best one, but if it is, and it appears the overall value of Dame is about to diminish, you pull the trigger.

Making or not making moves out of spite, pitty, anger, etc. is a horrible idea.

I didn't mean that the Spurs are going to follow our model my man, obviously that would make zero sense. I meant Scoot and Sharpe would bail after signing their Rookie contract extension. You seem AOK with potential long term consequences of giving Dame/Goodwin/Riley what they want. You're trying to win the short game and setting up mega losses in the long term. We at least need to hold firm until the Trade Deadline unless there is a miracle trade between now and then.
 
I didn't mean that the Spurs are going to follow our model my man, obviously that would make zero sense. I meant Scoot and Sharpe would bail after signing their Rookie contract extension. You seem AOK with potential long term consequences of giving Dame/Goodwin/Riley what they want. You're trying to win the short game and setting up mega losses in the long term. We at least need to hold firm until the Trade Deadline unless there is a miracle trade between now and then.

It has nothing to do with me being ok with giving Dame/Goodwin/Riley what they want. It's all about me not buying your theory that the Blazers would be better off excluding a possible trade partner, even if they could produce that best possible return. There is ZERO evidence that if the Heat offered the Blazers the best return possible and they took it, that it would have any impact on Scoot, Sharpe, or any future deals. Just like I pushed back at the opposite theory that if we don't honor Dame's wishes that Scoot/Sharpe would be less likely to re-sign in the future.

I'm 100% fine waiting as long as needed to maximize the return. I'm not ok reducing the number of trade partners we'll work with.
 
Husband calls wife: "I'll be home in five minutes."

Husband gets into car accident on the way. Winds up in hospital. Wife doesn't visit. Wife's sister's neighbor's cousin's mailman Bones visits him in the hospital.

Husband asks Bones if he knows why he hasn't heard from his wife.

Bones: "Oh, yeah. Well, you lied to her about not coming home that day. She left you. What did you expect to happen?"
This is one of the most ridiculous and disingenuous things I've ever read. Good job.

Since we're using ridiculous analogies, add in the scenario where the husband was driving home from his mistresses place and his wife found out he was cheating and left him. But she didn't say anything to her friends and they think she left him because of a car accident he had no control over.

That's closer then whatever you just said.
 
We very rarely have anything close to all the facts on pretty much anything, but lets just assume the worst and then get upset about it.

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That's exactly what this forum has been doing for almost two months now. I've moved past crying about Cronin and come here to see people saying wild shit about Dame unfollowing the Blazers on Instagram. Cmon now. If that was me, you wouldn't have a problem, even though it'd be doing exactly what you're talking about.
 
That's the thing here that is being debated. Joe's been at this for a couple years. Because he has tried and failed (Which by the way is what he said) you are trying to say he lied. Now lets take some things dame said? The whole "Run from the grind" thing sounds a bit shallow now? That doesn't mean he lied. Just that his situation changed.
I don't think anyone actually lied on purpose to mislead anyone. I think this situation has run it's course and in this day and age having a player as long as we did Lillard was a blessing. Time to move forward for both parties.
But then again I've been at this much much longer than you. I've been through this before a bunch of times (Walton, Drexler, Wallace, in some way Randolph, Broy, Aldridge) so it stands to reason I might view it differently.

AT least we don't have Jason Quick in the middle of it all.
That's fine that you think that way. I understand it. I would lean that direction to if I hadn't heard some stuff that I trust, and have my own opinions. Now I can't voice those without a mod popping off about "crying on YouTube like your father died" which is bullshit.
 
What a stupid take; Cronin is about the most anti-PR guy hire an NBA team has ever made.

Not saying he is a good or bad GM - but the notion he was hired for his public speaking skills is obviously false if you watch 2 minutes of him.
There's a difference between being good at PR and good at public speaking. They're not directly correlated. Olshey was a great public speaker but rubbed people the wrong way. Cronin is the opposite, and I think hiring a relatable guy who wasn't some slick snake oil salesman was a good PR move.
 
It's my opinion. If it's something I heard, I will say it's something I heard even knowing the type of response that'd get. Call my opinion a narrative, but I'll explain it below:


I'm not arguing that Cronin doesn't have a resume. I'm arguing that if ownership cared about resumes and hiring the best GM to put a winner on the court, they should've ran a proper interview process to determine who the best GM was to put a winner on the court. They didn't do that.

Joe is a PR guy in the ways that Olshey was not; he's relatable. His demeanor is a stark contrast to Olshey's. He's not some super-slick speaker, he comes across as a regular Joe. I think that the organization valued that and knew that his personality would go over well with the fanbase. Cronin was the perfect guy to have under an ownership group that is absolutely full of shit. I have no problem with his personality, just that his personality (among other things) seemed prioritized over resume considering the lack of a true candidate search. Joe will keep Jody out of the tax, and will pitch it as an honest effort to the fanbase who, after Olshey's bullshit and pretentiousness, will be happy with Joe's honestly and "transparency" even when those statements don't line up with his actions at all because Joe doesn't seem like the type of guy to lie. That's the best kind of PR person to have in a general manager role.

Look at how fans have blasted Dame without ever hearing his side of things or ever giving him a tenth of the benefit of the doubt they give Cronin.

Your statements make no sense and don't logically line up.

Jody and the Vulcan's being shit owners is something most fans here agree with. Them doing a lazy job in hiring Joe doesn't make Joe a "PR guy".

Dame preached loyalty and sold his brand on it then took a dump on Blazers fans with this Miami or bust trade demand. Cronin never sold himself as a GM that made his reputation based on loyalty. Dame sold himself to fans, media and the world on that loyalty. Dame is entirely responsible for the disappointment Blazer fans feel with Dame and the blame they place on Dame. It doesn't matter if Cronin failed in what he wanted to do for Dame or not. Cronin has a duty to do all the moves in the best interest of the Blazers - not in Dame's best interest. Dame is responsible for all of his own actions and how he markets himself.
 
Your statements make no sense and don't logically line up.

Jody and the Vulcan's being shit owners is something most fans here agree with. Them doing a lazy job in hiring Joe doesn't make Joe a "PR guy".

Dame preached loyalty and sold his brand on it then took a dump on Blazers fans with this Miami or bust trade demand. Cronin never sold himself as a GM that made his reputation based on loyalty. Dame sold himself to fans, media and the world on that loyalty. Dame is entirely responsible for the disappointment Blazer fans feel with Dame and the blame they place on Dame. It doesn't matter if Cronin failed in what he wanted to do for Dame or not. Cronin has a duty to do all the moves in the best interest of the Blazers - not in Dame's best interest. Dame is responsible for all of his own actions and how he markets himself.
If you preach loyalty within a two party relationship and then that other party isn't loyal to you, then what? Because that's how I and anyone who takes Dame's side in it looks at it.

Dame is entirely responsible? Do you feel like you have the full picture? Because if you don't, then how do you know who's entirely responsible for anything? Harden just got fined for saying Morey lied so it's not like Dame is about to do the same with the NBA already on his case. I think people would understand Dame's side of things more if we actually got to hear his side.

Cronin knew this was coming. All his moves have lined up with the expectation of a Dame trade and went against what Dame wanted because Cronin wanted to go the youth route but I don't think the organization wanted to own it. So he was saying he and Dame has a good dialogue and he was committed to building around him right up until Dame blindsided him with his trade request... right.
 
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when it's silly stupid shit like this, yes. Crying over a professional athlete is something children do. I am not a child.
When have I "cried"?

I've criticized Cronin. Others have. Some others criticize Dame. Fuck are you on about.
 

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