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kjironman1 said:
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Sounds like the $100k fine is being taken seriously. But why even do this sit down? Unless he is opening up his list to a few other teams, pointless.
 
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There "was" a trade request.

We shall see in the future how badly Dame wants to leave the Trail Blazers.
 
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Well, it certainly appears that we are in Dame's rear view mirror. He will end up being another Drexler where all of his accomplishments are here, but he goes into the Hall of Fame wearing another jersey.
 
maxiep said:
Well, it certainly appears that we are in Dame's rear view mirror. He will end up being another Drexler where all of his accomplishments are here, but he goes into the Hall of Fame wearing another jersey.
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Which is why Walton was/is the greatest Blazer ever. He left too, but he left a NBA Championship behind and took a Finals MVP and League MVP with him. That is the metric I look at. Luke is my all time favorite but MVP's mean sooo much.
 
maxiep said:
If he didn't sign the SuperMax. He could have stupped us like Aldridge did.
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As mentioned in my reply to Aldo, each time he's signed an extension, he's had 2 more years remaining on his contract. If he'd ever chosen not to sign an extension, Blazers would have had a year and a half to trade him.

He's never been close to being able to walk for nothing.
 
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blazerkor said:
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What did you take from that? Kind of seems like he is in limbo but is willing to play. Even if he is playing for a trade.
 
BIG Q said:
Sounds like the $100k fine is being taken seriously. But why even do this sit down? Unless he is opening up his list to a few other teams, pointless.
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I'm getting that there have been a bunch of life type changes that he is working through.
 
kjironman1 said:
What did you take from that? Kind of seems like he is in limbo but is willing to play. Even if he is playing for a trade.
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I agree with what you're saying, he'll play wherever he's contracted to play. He just seems like Dame to me. The dude is pretty level headed. He's also always been very sure about things. So I would bet that he's sure that he'll get to where he wants to go. If that's the Heat or another situation like the Heat. The guy seems at peace but maybe he just has a good poker face.
 
kjironman1 said:
Can we base it on Likes to Messages ratio?
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Likes to messages is super misleading. People get huge likes for saying "WHAT A DUNK BY SHARPE!" in game threads, and by breaking news stories. I can't remember the poster's name, but the dude was lightning fast on posting breaking news and would get massive likes due to that. Then in the comments he was a gigantic A-hole and never got likes and got ratioed constantly. Yet, he had a stellar messages to likes ratio due to breaking news all the time, which is useful, but by no means tells you whether the poster is liked or credible, just that they got likes. He would also trumpet his ratio any time someone came after him. He'd say "says the dude with a negative comments to likes ratio" and most everyone couldn't stand this guy, but would like his breaking news posts and his occasional non-egotistical posts.

The reverse is also true. If you post a bunch of filler comments, or post a lot in live game threads you can begin to shift the ratio in the negative despite your actually thoughtful comments getting pretty good like hauls.
 
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“With Lillard’s life on hold, he has traveled this summer to Paris, Dominican Republic and Italy, spent a lot of time with his children and has been getting deeper into his spirituality.”

Hmm what about his wife?
 
AldoTrapani said:
“With Lillard’s life on hold, he has traveled this summer to Paris, Dominican Republic and Italy, spent a lot of time with his children and has been getting deeper into his spirituality.”

Hmm what about his wife?
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Good observation. Maybe the rumors are true
 
riverman said:
Well I read that today the Blazers and Heat have started up trade talks again so hopefully this will be in the rear view mirror sooner rather than later.
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Unfortunately I think this is going into the season. At least training camp/preseason
 
Maybe Cronin is wisely waiting for a 3 or 4 teamer to bring in a Grant or better front court player as the main dude returning … or maybe Cronin is waiting for other teams to let ‘er rip and get Lillard for themselves. Or maybe there won’t be a trade unless one of these happens and other lesser trades get made, instead. Ant, for example. Nurkic and Little.
 
BIG Q said:
You mention Joe traded players to destinations they preferred. You do understand that is only because the return was palatable to him and Jody. If they did not like the return there is no way in hell they would have pulled the trigger. Those just worked well for all. Not so much for Dame and his Miami or bust stance. You ask a lot of hypothetical questions that only Dame, Goodwin, Cronin and Jody can answer. But plans change as the assets change. Portland got lucky and got the 3rd pick. Who they drafted was based on who Charlotte took before them. I have no problem with understanding that Joe and Dame probably had many conversations about many things, but at the end of every conversation, they surely ended with the understanding that plans change, but as of this minute, this is the plan. After the draft order is set plans can change many times in a short amount of time. Everybody knows this. But paramount to everything, Joe owes his allegiance to Jody and the organization. And everybody knows this. And lets remember, in negotiating, silence is golden. Cronin has no duty to announce when/if Dame asked out. His leverage is at its highest if the other club he might be talking to does not know Dame has asked out, and he has no obligation to inform them he has asked out. We are fans, not management.
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Of course. But that's why you don't tell players you'll trade then where they want to go without knowing the return. If he didn't, there's no problem there. If he did, he should stick by his word.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Cronin was very blunt that he failed to build a contender around Dame the last two years in his summer league press conference. As others have said why would he acquire Grant or other moves if he had committed to misleading Dame all along.

I and many fans have zero issue with Dame asking out. In retrospect it would've probably been best if he or the team had decided to explore that path back when Olshey was fired. But Dame is responsible for this Miami or bust ultimatum, he is responsible for his agents comments as if he is an unrestricted free agent. He is not a free agent, he signed a contract that the Blazers would pay him a quarter billion regardless if he lost a leg, now he is going against the spirit of that agreement.

I don't understand how you can be surprised Blazers fans are siding with the team when Dame has decided to go against the team as well as go against the fans in a manner unlike any well respected NBA hometown player outside of Ben Simmons or James Harden.

Dame is showing no respect to Blazer fans in how he has allowed his agent to communicate publicly during this situation; so he rightly deserves no Blazers fan support in return.
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As far as paragraph one, I don't think he was committed to going young his entire tenure get. I think it's something that changed within the last 8 months.

Cronin gets praise for choosing a different path than Dame's. Since that'l happened, I don't think it's unfair for Dame to try and create his own and go where he wants to go. Why shouldn't both parties try to do what's in there best interest? Cronin signed Dame to that extension around the belief they'd build around him. Cronin chose a different path. I dont find Dame trying to go where he wants to after his GM chose that different path as disrespectful to anyone.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I don't doubt that most of that is true.

- Cronin told Dame he'd trade the pick if it wasn't #1 to convince Dame to tank the rest of last season

This comes with an implicit caveat if 'assuming there is a suitable offer'.
I doubt we'll ever know for real what offers were out there.... but based on the rumored offers we have seen - Cronin made a good choice in passing.
I will say that it does not feel like Portland was being 'aggressive'. I really wish they would have targeted John Collins... but oh well.

- Cronin wanted to go young and wasn't serious about building around Dame even if there's a suitable offer.

This is hearsay and conjecture. No way to prove one way or another in it.

- Cronin told Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go if it ever came to this.

Again this comes with an implicit caveat of 'assuming a suitable offer'...
IMO, this is the crux if the issue. Dame assumed that if he asked out, that there'd be no requirements.
Either Bam or Buttler gave an interview shortly after the news broke about the request. They stated that they were in touch with Dame for several weeks and notified Pat that Dame "needed to be the #1 priority this offseason because he will be available".
Its not a stretch to imagine that Dame told Bam/Jimmy that he could pick his team... so Heat thought that they could lowball Portland.


- Dame asked out privately after their long meeting June 26th and wanted Cronin to stop saying he was willing to build around him. Then Cronin went against that immediately after the meeting.

If true, that feels a bit petty on Dames side.


Ultimately I have no problem with Dame asking out. I do have a problem with the manner in which he did.
I do think he ends up in Miami. Portland just needs to extract every single asset available.
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People have brought up how Cronin isn't the smoothest talker in press conferences. People say certain things are dependent upon other things, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cronin didn't communicate things well enough. That's on him.

They were shutting down offers days before the draft after everyone agreed that they'd get their best, final offers while they were on the clock with the 3rd pick because teams needed to see what Charlotte did.

Jimmy & Bam were in touch with Dame in the same way Dame and Jerami were in touch with Jaylen Brown. Maybe it was obvious to Dame they were going a separate route far before we expect?

This situation is messy. Dames trying to go where he wants. I don't blame him for trying to make the best of a shitty situation.
 
STOMP said:
good grief man, you pointing fingers about naive posters freaking out when not having all the facts yet jumping to negative conclusions is absolutely precious. Anything else?

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You pointed fingers (you do that shit all the time). I'm simply saying it's the same thing. You agree. Next.
 
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PCmor7 said:
This is just Bones taking only the part of the facts that suit his narrative. Again, he's capable of bringing some good things to the forum, but he gets too emotionally involved and LETS it cloud his judgment.

Then he's staked his claim to a position and can't deviate from it after getting more information. Every bit of incoming stimuli has to support his first assertion or it's meaningless.

He has info and he gets upset if we don't draw the same conclusions from what he's offering or trust it on its face, overlooking that too many times the man who does the podcast and claims to have solid inside info has put himself out there as an advocate rather than a reporter. It's not much different than having Canzano come in here and tell us what we should feel or believe.
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I can address every single thing you guys come up with AND understand why you think a certain way. How is that being emotional?

My position is because of all the information I've received. I can address whatever aspect of this situation that you want me to. I've literally said I understand why you think differently. Only thing I get upset about is people making it personal or claiming knowledge of my intentions or mental state like your doing here. You make a lot of statements about me without knowing a single thing about me.
 
BonesJones said:
If you preach loyalty within a two party relationship and then that other party isn't loyal to you, then what? Because that's how I and anyone who takes Dame's side in it looks at it.

Dame is entirely responsible? Do you feel like you have the full picture? Because if you don't, then how do you know who's entirely responsible for anything? Harden just got fined for saying Morey lied so it's not like Dame is about to do the same with the NBA already on his case. I think people would understand Dame's side of things more if we actually got to hear his side.

Cronin knew this was coming. All his moves have lined up with the expectation of a Dame trade and went against what Dame wanted because Cronin wanted to go the youth route but I don't think the organization wanted to own it. So he was saying he and Dame has a good dialogue and he was committed to building around him right up until Dame blindsided him with his trade request... right.
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Wait. Blazers weren’t loyal to Dame? Say what? They signed him to the Supermax, a contract that was designed so that teams (esp small market teams) could keep their stars from running off to greener pastures. Blazers signed Blevins, traded for Grant, but turned down an Ant/#3 for Giannis trade? Yeah right. And we DO know Dame’s side of the story: he wants to go to Miami and only Miami and is willing to hurt the Blazers organization to do it. Like it or not, that is his side of the story, make no mistake.
 
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