Zombie Damian Lillard to request trade in coming days (nope, he's not.)

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Dwight:

But sources around the league say that Damian Lillard’s public proclamation about wanting an improved roster has put the Trail Blazers in a difficult position. The perception is now that Portland is under pressure to make a big move to placate Lillard and thus, the asking price for a player the Blazers may covet has gone much higher. Prospective trade partners are now asking for a mother lode of future draft picks and several players in return for a player who simply isn’t worth that sort of ransom. It may take time before the Trail Blazers can convince trade partners that there is no fire sale going on. Olshey is not the type to make a deal out of panic or desperation.

Kind of funny that if the media hadn't created the story that Damian was going to make a trade demand or kept perpetuating the story that he "has to play" in a big market, he wouldn't have had to make it public.
 
I think it goes beyond even this. The one huge asset that the Blazers had in enticing free agents to sign here, whether that’s getting someone good with the Taxpayer’s MLE or re-signing Powell, is the chance to play with Dame and, hopefully, contend for a title. Now this FA’s aren’t sure Dame is committed to being here. That makes it even harder for Olshey to do his already hard job. Dame really shit the bed in the way he’s handled this, IMO. Put pressure on management to improve? Sure, but do it behind closed doors or at least make it clear that you’re committed to being here for a year or so.
Going public was the one tool Dame had in his chest to get moves made. But at least behind closed door, we need a full throated confidence from Dame that he'll stay when it comes to free agents. I think he'll do that.
 
Per Free agents, I bet they all have Dame's number of access to it. I bet any that are thinking about signing with Portland have had conversations with him and have a better understanding of where he is at rather then what we all have to rely on, which is rumors and the media. I doubt the Dame situation is having much effect on them signing here or not.
 
LOL....Jaynes has become a mouthpiece for Olshey

so it's not surprising he's saying Olshey's job is harder and it's Dame's fault. Olshey's job is harder because he didn't do it for years

This really sounds like exactly the message Olshey is portraying. Although I don't think the asking price for players have ever changed. Olshey is just reluctant to move all in. He'll continue to play hardball until he loses.
 
Going public was the one tool Dame had in his chest to get moves made. But at least behind closed door, we need a full throated confidence from Dame that he'll stay when it comes to free agents. I think he'll do that.

He’d better be willing to get on the phone with Norm and tell him that if he signs here Dame is committed to at least a season or two. Otherwise, bye bye, Norm.
 
There's no indication that Olshey would have even considered doing anything drastic if Dame hadn't put pressure on him, so no.
I get that and i agree, but couldn’t Dame hold the gun on Olsheys head behind close doors? Like Jaynes said now every trade becomes very difficult
 
yet again, about the $ comment only. Not any potential trade request/demand
He said he never said the 75/25 or any of these things. He also commented on the money because that is what the exact questions was, would you give back money and he said no. He said he has talked with the team, but the rest is not coming from him.
 
yet again, about the $ comment only. Not any potential trade request/demand
He literally said he didn’t say anything that was in that article. He specifically mentioned the 75/25 and athletic big quotes. I assume he didn’t pay to read the whole article, so all he has are the quotes.
 
I get that and i agree, but couldn’t Dame hold the gun on Olsheys head behind close doors? Like Jaynes said now every trade becomes very difficult
Actually if you believe Dame, he’s reiterated this behind closed doors for years. Clearly he’s lost confidence that his voice is being heard by Neil and/or ownership.

Also the Jaynes quote is clearly from Neil trying to fan the flames.
 
Dwight:

But sources around the league say that Damian Lillard’s public proclamation about wanting an improved roster has put the Trail Blazers in a difficult position. The perception is now that Portland is under pressure to make a big move to placate Lillard and thus, the asking price for a player the Blazers may covet has gone much higher. Prospective trade partners are now asking for a mother lode of future draft picks and several players in return for a player who simply isn’t worth that sort of ransom. It may take time before the Trail Blazers can convince trade partners that there is no fire sale going on. Olshey is not the type to make a deal out of panic or desperation.
This doesn't pass the BS test for me. Yes, there is added pressure and other GMs are going to try and maximize value, but either a trade makes sense or it doesn't. Any trade of merit isn't going to be the Blazers bidding against themselves, but against what other teams can offer.
 
He said he never said the 75/25 or any of these things. He also commented on the money because that is what the exact questions was, would you give back money and he said no. He said he has talked with the team, but the rest is not coming from him.
sure, i can see that. It's similar to when his response to Dwight a few weeks ago about "expecting to be a Blazer to start the season" used the exact same wording as the question.

But you can tell he's dancing around a bit. He doesn't want to explicitly say he isn't demanding a trade.

Am I reading too much into this?
 
He’d better be willing to get on the phone with Norm and tell him that if he signs here Dame is committed to at least a season or two. Otherwise, bye bye, Norm.
I think Norms contract is done and agreed to already. Look for him to be one of the first announced on Monday.
 
Is it appropriate to say that Dame handled this offseason extremely poor?
No, Not really. People are gonna read into something what they will. The Media is all about sensationalism. Dame was frustrated, rightfully so. people in here were frustrated, rightfully so. Expectation is a good thing. It's about soaring higher. Now reading many posters in here, the expectation is low for Blazer success this year. Not me, i tend to be more on the positive side. The negativity , especially the hatred, is hard on the soul. I already have enough of that for REAL world problems.
 
sure, i can see that. It's similar to when his response to Dwight a few weeks ago about "expecting to be a Blazer to start the season" used the exact same wording as the question.

But you can tell he's dancing around a bit. He doesn't want to explicitly say he isn't demanding a trade.

Am I reading too much into this?
Why would he do that? He’s said what he’s said to the public and he’s said it to the team. The team needs to do something. It’s pretty obvious.
 
Why would he do that? He’s said what he’s said to the public and he’s said it to the team. The team needs to do something. It’s pretty obvious.
yes, i just hope that behind closed doors, he's not truly thinking about leaving.
 
The situation is as transparent as can be. Dame wants to go all in. Olshey doesn’t want to overpay. He absolutely will have to, but that was true even without Dames public pressure.

If you look at the Bucks last year, they absolutely overpaid for Holiday. That’s the price. If you aren’t willing to do that then set Dame free.
 
I get that and i agree, but couldn’t Dame hold the gun on Olsheys head behind close doors? Like Jaynes said now every trade becomes very difficult

are you aware that 3 years ago, Dame went over Neil's head directly to Paul Allen to ask about the direction of the team? So, as early as 3 seasons ago Dame demonstrated he lacked confidence in Olshey and probably didn't believe things Olshey said to him

between then and now, Paul Allen died, Jody & the Vulcans took over, and the Blazers remained trapped on the treadmill Olshey built. It's entirely possible that Dame felt Seattle would not be responsive to his concerns (he may very well have had conversations with them) and his relationship with Olshey had not improved past that point 3 years ago

in that situation, what else could dame do? He's likely had many conversations with olshey and dealt with olshey's double-speak. Ownership seems absent or detached from caring about season results unrelated to finance. There was nothing else to do in a situation like that but go public with his dissatisfaction. And after all, who was satisfied with this season anyway?
 
sure, i can see that. It's similar to when his response to Dwight a few weeks ago about "expecting to be a Blazer to start the season" used the exact same wording as the question.

But you can tell he's dancing around a bit. He doesn't want to explicitly say he isn't demanding a trade.

Am I reading too much into this?
Yes I think you are reading to much into it. I am sure he doesn't want to say to much and make Neil's job harder then it is. He has come out time and time again and said he wants to be a Blazers, so saying it again and again wont' matter because these media types are not going to pay attention, because they want the clicks. This is the biggest story they can find. I think after this week it goes away, once the start to focus on the draft results.
 
This really sounds like exactly the message Olshey is portraying. Although I don't think the asking price for players have ever changed. Olshey is just reluctant to move all in. He'll continue to play hardball until he loses.
Making moves harder is B.S. It takes two to tango. If a team wants to move a guy, they will. Neil needed a little fire under his britches. And I am a Neil supporter . A GM that thinks his job is in peril, is a good GM. Do better. You can't rest on your laurels.
 
So, some one here seem so sure about what Dame has done behind closed doors. They think that he hasn't been putting pressure on management to make a big deal until just recently. They think they know that he's made CJ off limits. They think they know that he was keeping Stotts here every year. They think that he made an about face and then went to the media with it in the same couple months. You don't know shit.

Knowing Dame, the media thing was the only card he hadn't played with Neil. I bet he's been hammering Neil to make trades and get him better support or even a real 1B option. Then Neil tells everyone it wasn't the roster. Neil might have told Dame that Chauncey would be the difference and they would just run it back (I don't know that, that's just speculation). The bottom line is that Dame handled that presser really well, with finesse. He said he couldn't commit to what he was going to do for the first time but he wants to be here and he sees himself here. That just means that changes have to happen.

Giannis did the same thing with the Bucks except he had leverage because of his impending free agency and yet the Bucks were still able to go out and get Jrue Holiday and win a championship. As soon as they got Jrue and not before, Giannis committed. If the prospect to get a GM's star player crippled the GM's ability to get value back with what they have how the fuck can you explain the Giannis situation. The Bucks had to give up a lot and we might have to overpay a bit. Oh fucking well... bite the bullet and overpay then Neil, or don't do anything again and watch Dame really cripple you when he asks Seattle to trade him.
 
Actually if you believe Dame, he’s reiterated this behind closed doors for years. Clearly he’s lost confidence that his voice is being heard by Neil and/or ownership.

Also the Jaynes quote is clearly from Neil trying to fan the flames.
are you aware that 3 years ago, Dame went over Neil's head directly to Paul Allen to ask about the direction of the team? So, as early as 3 seasons ago Dame demonstrated he lacked confidence in Olshey and probably didn't believe things Olshey said to him

between then and now, Paul Allen died, Jody & the Vulcans took over, and the Blazers remained trapped on the treadmill Olshey built. It's entirely possible that Dame felt Seattle would not be responsive to his concerns (he may very well have had conversations with them) and his relationship with Olshey had not improved past that point 3 years ago

in that situation, what else could dame do? He's likely had many conversations with olshey and dealt with olshey's double-speak. Ownership seems absent or detached from caring about season results unrelated to finance. There was nothing else to do in a situation like that but go public with his dissatisfaction. And after all, who was satisfied with this season anyway?
Alright, you have convinced me. Neil is a piece of shit
 
This last season was thoroughly unenjoyable for so many reasons. I’d rather blow it up then run it back.
 
He’d better be willing to get on the phone with Norm and tell him that if he signs here Dame is committed to at least a season or two. Otherwise, bye bye, Norm.

I see where you're coming from but why would Dame do that?

Norm was part of the team that lost in the first round. Norm returning doesn't change the team. Dame has said he needs to see a lot more than that to commit to staying and not demand a trade. I think it's obvious Dame feels the only power he has in this situation to compel Olshey to upgrade the roster is to threaten a trade demand. If he commits to "at least a season or two" is Norm re-signs it gives Olshey total cover to sit on his hands again and risk little
 
This last season was thoroughly unenjoyable for so many reasons. I’d rather blow it up then run it back.

Not just last season, but the last 2 seasons were thoroughly unenjoyable. If the options are "keep the team as is" vs "start over", I'd lean towards start over. BUT I think the coaching issue was a bigger deal than the roster.
 
Not just last season, but the last 2 seasons were thoroughly unenjoyable. If the options are "keep the team as is" vs "start over", I'd lean towards start over. BUT I think the coaching issue was a bigger deal than the roster.

they were both awful. I knew from the first game last year a first round exit was an inevitability. Then continuing to play Melo and Kanter was such a slap in the face. When we drew the Nuggets I thought at least we would win one series and get to see some more games. Then we lost. I really don’t know why anyone would feel like running it back is justified.
 

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