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Which team will DeAndre Ayton sign with?

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Let's say we do Nurk and Hart for Ayton.

Still have a hope at starting forward. Also lose a guy in Hart that can fill some forward minutes.

Would we fill those with vet minimums
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Let's say we do Nurk and Hart for Ayton.

Still have a hope at starting forward. Also lose a guy in Hart that can fill some forward minutes.

Would we fill those with vet minimums
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They obviously would be banking on Nas starting and being healthy.
 
I just want a contemporary big who can set picks and shoot from outside and be defensive.

Whatever it costs to get that if it's available, that's it.
 
Any way we can trade for Ayton, matching needed salaries without Hart?

Bledsoe 4 million, Nas, Winslow, Nurk. Maybe something else? Seems like it could get us close. Might need a third team. I really like Hart.

Dame Payton
Simons Sharpe Keon Didi
Hart
Grant Brown
Ayton Watford

Need vet minimum C and likely two vet minimum forwards. The hard cap from getting Payton really hurts our flexibility.
 
can someone with a good handle on the cba help me work out the mechanics of a double S&T with Nurk for Ayton?
 
illmatic99 said:
can someone with a good handle on the cba help me work out the mechanics of a double S&T with Nurk for Ayton?
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I'm not up to date on CBA or salaries so some might better analyze this but here we go...... first its hard to know because we aren't certain what Nurks salary is and there would need to be other parts besides him and Ayton. I think a third team might have to be involved because of BYC.

Also both Suns and Blazers would have to be under hard cap. So from Blazers end can't just swap Nurk and Ayton and stay under apron.

Blazers out Hart 13.0 Nurk 15.0 = 28.0
Blazers in Ayton 31.0

Suns in Hart 13.0 Nurk 15.0 = 28.0
Suns out Ayton 15.5 Saric 9.2 = 24.7

Boston in Saric 9.2 (trade exception)

So was already going to be really complicated to do. Now we got this Durant possibility going on, with the Suns his preferred destination and the Blazers possibly being in the mix. Wouldn't be shocked if this starts to drag on a long time.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'm not up to date on CBA or salaries so some might better analyze this but here we go...... first its hard to know because we aren't certain what Nurks salary is and there would need to be other parts besides him and Ayton. I think a third team might have to be involved because of BYC. Also both Suns and Blazers would have to be under hard cap.

Blazers out Hart 13.0 Nurk 15.0 = 28.0
Blazers in Ayton 31.0

Suns in Hart 13.0 Nurk 15.0 = 28.0
Suns out Ayton 15.5 Saric 9.2 = 24.7

Boston in Saric 9.2 (trade exception)
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So essentially we need another team to absorb a contract like Saric's/Shamet. And we need the sum of the contracts for Nurk + Hart to be around 80% of the deal Ayton gets (to meet the 125% criteria for salaries to match).

I might do this.

Ayton has more room to grow and is already slightly better than an engaged Nurk is now. Hart is an upcoming FA playing a position where we have a ton of replacements.
 
illmatic99 said:
can someone with a good handle on the cba help me work out the mechanics of a double S&T with Nurk for Ayton?
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I think at this point, due to BYC rules, a straight across double sign and trade with simply PHX and PDX is virtually impossible. Forgive me for the Blazersedge citation here, but this is what the cap guy at Blazersedge proposed as a sign-and-trade with Phoenix and Detroit involving Nurk to Phoenix and Hart to Detroit. He also uses this example to explain why the Grant deal has not be made official.

I think Wesley Matthews example above would also work to trade into an exception. I'd assume Boston would need to be incentivized, as I am not sure Saric is how they'd want to use that TPE.
 
Graduate32 said:
I think at this point, due to BYC rules, a straight across double sign and trade with simply PHX and PDX is virtually impossible. Forgive me for the Blazersedge citation here, but this is what the cap guy at Blazersedge proposed as a sign-and-trade with Phoenix and Detroit involving Nurk to Phoenix and Hart to Detroit. He also uses this example to explain why the Grant deal has not be made official.

I think Wesley Matthews example above would also work to trade into an exception. I'd assume Boston would need to be incentivized, as I am not sure Saric is how they'd want to use that TPE.
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Yeah that is a simpler way to do the trade, just have Hart go to a third team. Then Nurks salary easily matches up with 50% of Aytons.

If somehow we could do it I'd like the idea of us combining Winslow/Little/EBEC/etc type of package going to a third team instead and we keep Hart.
 
Or if we could make the dollars work without Little.....

PDX Ayton
PHX Nurk
DET EBEC Winslow Didi Keon

Detroit probably needs a draft pick or more incentive though.

One thing we haven't discussed..... the Grant trade isn't finalized, so perhaps we can use EBEC instead of the trade exception for that to somehow get this Ayton trade done too?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If somehow we could do it I'd like the idea of us combining Winslow/Little/EBEC/etc type of package going to a third team instead and we keep Hart.
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Absolutely agree. I love Hart. And honestly, Detroit might be more interested in Little and Keon (+draft compensation) anyway.
 
PHX would probably like Nurk+Hart with Nurk at 70m because of the space they would free up while getting decent players.

Do we have the cap room though?

Refresh my memory on RFA rights…
Could Ayton take less and choose who he goes to? Or is it strictly highest bidder.

Ex: POR offers 4/100M; OKC offers 115M; Washington offers 4/120M

Does the RFA have any say?..
 
Strenuus said:
I just want a contemporary big who can set picks and shoot from outside and be defensive.

Whatever it costs to get that if it's available, that's it.
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Watford has the chance to be that guy
 
Jazz to go for Ayton to pair with Mitchell and make us wish we had gone after him to pair with Dame?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Let's say we do Nurk and Hart for Ayton.
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the Suns are already over 128M in salary for 9 players. Nurkic and Hart would put them at 157M for 11 players and they'd be hard-capped. And because Portland is hard-capped....oooh boy

Phoenix would have to dump salary elsewhere and pay to do it. And they'd expect Portland to make that payment

going by Sarver's rep, I wouldn't be surprised if he's hoping that Ayton will play for his QO next season and become UFA the following season. That way the Suns could stay under the tax line next year. Sure doesn't look like there's much of a market for Ayton and I doubt any teams are lining up to do sarver a favor
 
wizenheimer said:
the Suns are already over 128M in salary for 9 players. Nurkic and Hart would put them at 157M for 11 players and they'd be hard-capped. And because Portland is hard-capped....oooh boy

Phoenix would have to dump salary elsewhere and pay to do it. And they'd expect Portland to make that payment

going by Sarver's rep, I wouldn't be surprised if he's hoping that Ayton will play for his QO next season and become UFA the following season. That way the Suns could stay under the tax line next year. Sure doesn't look like there's much of a market for Ayton and I doubt any teams are lining up to do sarver a favor
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The Jazz are about to pay the man. The Suns will be forced to match.
 
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