DeAndre Jordan Might Be A Blazer Superthread

[Mr. Robot]

well fuck it, I know just one thing, if Nurk suspect he could be part of the deal, hell be fucked up and so will Blazers
hes gonna need reassurance from Neil Olshey that he wont get traded... Im literally not joking about this

guy loves it here, better prevent any possible shit

 

[tester551]

Why would Jordan opt out of the last year of his contract that pays him over $24 million. You already mentioned he's 29 and declining. He'll never get close to $24 million a year ever again. He'd be a fool to leave that money on the table.

BNM

Players generally over-estimate their value. Especially when the market is tighter.

They see the Parsons, ET, & Crabbe contracts & say to themselves "If XXXXX got that, then I'm definitely going to get more"

I'd be surprised if he did NOT opt out of the contract

 

[dviss1]

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Gotta keep Caleb if we get rid of Vonleh tho...

 

[dviss1]

Players generally over-estimate their value. Especially when the market is tighter.

They see the Parsons, ET, & Crabbe contracts & say to themselves "If XXXXX got that, then I'm definitely going to get more"

I'd be surprised if he did NOT opt out of the contract

He ain't smart but I bet his agent is.

 

[Hobbesarable]

well fuck it, I know just one thing, if Nurk suspect he could be part of the deal, hell be fucked up and so will Blazers
hes gonna need reassurance from Neil Olshey that he wont get traded... Im literally not joking about this

guy loves it here, better prevent any possible shit

Is his psyche truly that fragile?

 

[jlprk]

If we can facilitate a three way and end up with Jabari, I'd be all aboard.

Whether it includes Jabari or not, you're on the right track about a multi-team trade. Jordan wouldn't become a Blazer. Jordan is cheap right now and Olshey's checking, how cheap?
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Also...Jordan is partially Olshey's player, but not as much as Aminu.

When the Clippers drafted Jordan, Olshey was Director of Player Personnel. 3 months later before Jordan's rookie season, Baylor was out, replaced by Dunleavy as GM and Olshey as Assistant GM.

 

[riverman]

Blazers might have tried to get DJ and Lou Williams both....but didn't offer a starter to get it done.

 

[Nikolokolus]

well fuck it, I know just one thing, if Nurk suspect he could be part of the deal, hell be fucked up and so will Blazers
hes gonna need reassurance from Neil Olshey that he wont get traded... Im literally not joking about this

guy loves it here, better prevent any possible shit

If he's that fucking fragile, then that's exactly why he should be traded. I sort of doubt he's on the block, but the NBA is a trade and free-agency heavy business, being involved in rumors is part of the deal.

 

[tester551]

He ain't smart but I bet his agent is.

Agents have to pander to the player - so they are in a tough spot.
If an agent tells a player "No one is ever going to pay you more than $20M per year", the player will find a new agent.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Is his psyche truly that fragile?

like I said, Nurk loves it here and he said he found his new home, so when media speaks about possible trade for another starting C, you cant but not to think you may be part of the deal, cause thats the most logical option... if he founds thats true, hed be disappointed and I believe hed quit, like he did in DEN... in DEN he did it cause it would help him to get traded, in POR hed do it cause hed be disappointed

thats why Im not joking, hes gonna need reassurance...

 

[Scalma]

Considering Olsheys history with Jordan it wouldn’t surprise me if this was his agent putting it out there to drum up interest in his client.

Don’t see a fit otherwise. We’d have to match salaries as well. Don’t see the clippers interested in any of our bigger contracts, at least not for an expiring talent like Jordan.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Players generally over-estimate their value. Especially when the market is tighter.

They see the Parsons, ET, & Crabbe contracts & say to themselves "If XXXXX got that, then I'm definitely going to get more"

I'd be surprised if he did NOT opt out of the contract

That was a one time thing. The summer of 2016 saw every team get an additional $30 million in cap space due to the new TV contract.

It was also the summer of buyer's remorse for every team that handed out stupid contracts. It ain't happening again. Any player that thinks he's getting 2016 stupid money in 2018 is the one who's being stupid.

Just look at last summers contracts compared to 2016 - far fewer overpaid players last summer. The same will hold true moving forward.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

like I said, Nurk loves it here and he said he found his new home, so when media speaks about possible trade for another starting C, you cant but not to think you may be part of the deal, cause thats the most logical option... if he founds thats true, hed be disappointed and I believe hed quit, like he did in DEN... in DEN he did it cause it would help him to get traded, in POR hed do it cause hed be disappointed

thats why Im not joking, hes gonna need reassurance...

Well, hopefully he isn't the type to put stock on unsubstantiated rumors that don't even mention him by name...

BNM

 

[riverman]

Jordan probably knows we don't have anyone who throws a decent alley oop pass which is his bread and butter offense

 

[Boob-No-More]

Agents have to pander to the player - so they are in a tough spot.
If an agent tells a player "No one is ever going to pay you more than $20M per year", the player will find a new agent.

Agents don't set the market rates. Owners do, by bidding against each other for free agent players. Jordan (or anyone else) can fire all the agents they want. It won't get them more than market rate for their services.

The 2016 market bubble has burst. Nobody is getting that ind of stupid money again anytime soon. There will always be a few players that end up getting overpaid, usually due to injury issues, but it will be a long, long time before we so so many truly bad contracts handed out as we did in the summer of 2016.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Agents have to pander to the player - so they are in a tough spot.
If an agent tells a player "No one is ever going to pay you more than $20M per year", the player will find a new agent.

False choice.

 

[BrunoSOC]

NO PLEASE

 

[jlprk]

Players generally over-estimate their value...I'd be surprised if he did NOT opt out of the contract

Agents have to pander to the player - so they are in a tough spot.
If an agent tells a player "No one is ever going to pay you more than $20M per year", the player will find a new agent.

You backed up your statement well, Tester. May or may not happen, but these guys didn't catch your point.

 

[blue9]

Gotta keep Caleb if we get rid of Vonleh tho...

It's not like either of them sniff spot minutes, let along rotation minutes - so we effectively lose nothing by trading them.

For the record though, I'm not really a fan of the trade - the only good thing about it is getting rid of Turner. I think Vonleh's Defense/Salary is probably equal to - and perhaps better than - Jordan's Defense/Salary. I'd rather have Vonleh at $10M than Jordan at $22M...and I'll be surprised in Vonleh gets $10M this summer. But ultimately I want a COACH who will PLAY Vonleh.

 

[e_blazer]

Jordan probably knows we don't have anyone who throws a decent alley oop pass which is his bread and butter offense

I don’t think it’s as much a lack of ability to deliver that pass as it is the ability of guys like Nurk and Davis to be in the right place to do something with it.

 

[riverman]

I don’t think it’s as much a lack of ability to deliver that pass as it is the ability of guys like Nurk and Davis to be in the right place to do something with it.

There's been improvement but we haven't really had an alley oop game since Dre was here...or Camby....passing is not our strong suit in my view

 

[blue9]

There's been improvement but we haven't really had an alley oop game since Dre was here...or Camby....passing is not our strong suit in my view

Yeah, our passing game is weak Adonal Foyle! The ball movement in general sucks.

 

[jlprk]

well fuck it, I know just one thing, if Nurk suspect he could be part of the deal, hell be fucked up and so will Blazers. hes gonna need reassurance from Neil Olshey that he wont get traded... Im literally not joking about this. guy loves it here, better prevent any possible shit

like I said, Nurk loves it here and he said he found his new home, so when media speaks about possible trade for another starting C, you cant but not to think you may be part of the deal, cause thats the most logical option... if he founds thats true, hed be disappointed and I believe hed quit, like he did in DEN... in DEN he did it cause it would help him to get traded, in POR hed do it cause hed be disappointed. thats why Im not joking, hes gonna need reassurance...

You're right that Nurkic is emotional, but he loves it here only because he starts...he gets more coaching criticism here than most of our players. He'd also love starting in big city Los Angeles with Jordan gone. So I don't think that hearing this rumor will affect him as much as you think.

 

[e_blazer]

There's been improvement but we haven't really had an alley oop game since Dre was here...or Camby....passing is not our strong suit in my view

Neither is high flying centers. I don’t think there’s ever going to be an Air Nurk tennis shoe.

 

[Mr. Robot]

You're right that Nurkic is emotional, but he loves it here only because he starts...he gets more coaching criticism here than most of our players. He'd also love starting in big city Los Angeles with Jordan gone. So I don't think that hearing this rumor will affect him as much as you think.

perhaps it wont cause its not a serious rumor, his name isnt mentioned, but is not something Id overlook... he loves the city, the fans, Dame etc
he settled in Rip City great, so Id be disappointed if someone traded me from where I want to be

as of now, I believe there wont be a problems, but if he hears he could be part of the deal, well in that case...

 

[tester551]

Agents don't set the market rates. Owners do, by bidding against each other for free agent players. Jordan (or anyone else) can fire all the agents they want. It won't get them more than market rate for their services.

The 2016 market bubble has burst. Nobody is getting that ind of stupid money again anytime soon. There will always be a few players that end up getting overpaid, usually due to injury issues, but it will be a long, long time before we so so many truly bad contracts handed out as we did in the summer of 2016.

BNM

I know GM/owners set the market.

Jordan isn't going to get the money he wants - but I don't think that is going to stop him from trying...

 

[Boob-No-More]

NO PLEASE

How can you say no (or yes) without knowing what was offered? There are several bad contracts we can package to make a deal work.

Jordan could also be a HUGE trading chip going forward. Because he has a player option for next season, he could be one of two things:

1) A HUGE expiring contract
2) A potential re-sign and trade candidate

Think about it...

We can't sign big name free agents, even when we have the cap space to do so. We don't have the cap space to do so. With a $24 million salary, Jordan is the kind of piece you need for matching salaries in a blockbuster trade for a disgruntled superstar. If the team wants to rebuild, Jordan becomes a $24 million expiring contract.

If the team wants to compete, you can lock Jordan in for them, so he isn't just a 1-year rental, buy re-signing him as part of a sign and trade package - something like $24 million his first year, with a declining salary each year after that. That gets Jordan his big payday next year, but also the stability of a longer contract going forward. It lets the team lock him in for more than one year, but his salary would be declining in lock step with his declining performance. At 29, he still has a few good years left. Maybe not all star level performance, but he should remain an effective defender and rebounder for several more years.

Think outside the box. Don't just consider the player's value on the court, think about how else acquiring him could benefit us (getting rid of some of our bad contracts, future trade piece, etc.).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I know GM/owners set the market.

Jordan isn't going to get the money he wants - but I don't think that is going to stop him from trying...

Depends. $24 million is a LOT of money to leave on the table for a guy that averages 11 ppg. The market for centers has really dried up in the last year (just ask Mason Plumlee and Nerlens Noel).

BNM

 

[Mr. Robot]

Depends. $24 million is a LOT of money to leave on the table for a guy that averages 11 ppg. The market for centers has really dried up in the last year (just ask Mason Plumlee and Nerlens Noel).

BNM

Plumlee got more than he deserves, so it went really great for him

 

[Boob-No-More]

Plumlee got more than he deserves, so it went really great for him

Define deserves. He didn't even get Mozgov money (4 years, $64 million), not even close (3 years, $41 million). That's the difference between the summer of 2016 and the summer of 2017.

BNM